Re: Rules, changed by the ref, or correct interpretation?
 

One thing to note, a goal is only counted by the scoring system. If it doesn't go through the counter then it didn't pass the scoring line.

Something that I learned at FLR. If the ball goes back towards the field after passing the sensors far enough to activate both sensors again, there is a 2 point penalty and a cancelation of the original point. Teams must make sure that when picking up balls that they don't push any backwards through the counters.

At FLR they moved the deflection board in the goal to an angle that pushes the ball toward the side. This helped to prevent jams and the possibility of incurring penalties. It was sanctioned by FIRST and I hope used at all remaining regionals.

Oh, and BTW, Refs are human and do make some mistakes. I saw one at FLR and talked to the head ref. He did check it out and made sure that it was called correct later on in the tournament. Now if we could only get the drive teams to be perfect we could have a great competition. ;0

Re: Rules, changed by the ref, or correct interpretation?
 

So you'd rather pretend that you're going to hang for 2 points, and instead run off and score only one point?

That's like faking a shotgun formation to kick a field goal. Makes no sense. :confused:

Re: Rules, changed by the ref, or correct interpretation?
 

The blue side was also acting up at NJ.
We had the exact same thing: The ball managed to enter the field without passing through the ball return sensor, thereby making it impossible to truly satisfy the DOGMA; 14 penalty points later in Final 1-2, we went to a third match to find a winner.
Unless, of course, you really couldn't hang in the time allotted; then it's a fake for 1 point instead of zero.

Re: Rules, changed by the ref, or correct interpretation?
 

Saw a few glitches on blue at FLR also. Our alliance mates died during eliminations from communications issues :(

Re: Rules, changed by the ref, or correct interpretation?
 

CONSPIRICY!!!!!
Sorry, I couldn't resist...

Re: Rules, changed by the ref, or correct interpretation?
 

More like a possible quality control issue for the blue alliance stations IF they were assembled from the factory or at FIRST HQ by a different group than the red alliance stations. But we'll probably never know that... :p

Re: Rules, changed by the ref, or correct interpretation?
 

I was doing some testing at FLR. To count as in the ball must pass two sensors. If it only passes the first one then goes back towards the field then it is not counted as in. The ball must be half way in or more for the system to count it. As was stated elsewhere, there is a place to put the trident to free the balls. If it was used at the back of the ball chute then it could push the balls back past the sensor and trigger the sensor again when removing it. That would tell the system that a ball (it doesn't know the difference) passed through the chute and should now be returned to the field.

I have looked at the scoring systems before and this one is by far the best one that FIRST has come up with. If the teams follow the instructions they should have little to no problems.

Re: Rules, changed by the ref, or correct interpretation?
 

Quoted for truth. YAY no more 10,453 to -32 matches! *cough Aim High*:yikes: