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2010 Milwaukee Wisconsin Regional
Who all is attending this regional? And if there is a team with some spare time team 2197 is still in a struggle with programming and would love some help in labview. Thank you, SEE YOU THERE :)
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Team 1716 is going to be attending! Our team has two programmers that should be able to help you out on Thursday, stop by our pit to say hi and we will be happy to help!
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I won't be :( I was originally planning on going to Japan, then my trip got canceled. I didn't have time to rebook tickets from New York to Wisconsin, so I'm instead going to a second event with my "new" team.
And it's a shame, because this regional's looking deeper than normal. Mainly, 111 will be there, and they're always impressive. Last time they were here? They won the event and somehow managed to include not one Wisconsin team! :eek: While out of state talent like 1018 and 216 will be available to them, I bet if they walk away with a medal, there will be Wisconsin or Minnesota (kind of like Wisconsin, but with some 40 year old loser quarterback on their football team) on their alliance. Anyway, you guys need to take tons of pictures of these Wildstang guys. They know how to win and you'll learn a lot whether or not they're on top of the podium when all's said and done. 93, 171, 269, 537 are the Wisconsin veterans that consistently perform at a high level, and none of them show any signs of slowing. 93 and 269 have learned a lot from previous swerve drives, and it's not at all out of the question that they'll make a repeat appearance. 171 has had the most recent success of them all, and you can never count out a team with someone named Andy B mentoring them. 537 won four events in four years from 2004-2007, and there's no reason they can't make a comeback here. Despite their success they're an under the radar power team. 706 had an AWESOME pre-ship video, and while preship videos never tell the whole story (sadly, 118 has not won 4 World Championships), they certainly look to be a very strong team at this event. Pairing them with a competent striker, perhaps with a swerve or mecanum drive, will make them find success. They'll be selected early, perhaps by a certain group of tye-dye fellows who make it to the #1 or #2 slot, and their success is dependent on smart elimination play. 1714 isn't as flashy as 706, and they're a bit harder to see on the field, but they've got a lot of the same systems that 706 has. Perhaps I'm biased, but I think they've made their best robot yet. Though 1714 has never done particularly well at their first event, this robot will break their two year dry spell in Wisconsin eliminations. With the right partner who can supplement them on the tower, they could end up with a different medal than usual around their necks. What's better than medals? MORE MEDALS! Insert joke about their robot being transparent here. 1675 has more experience with mecanum drivetrains than anyone else at the event, and experience on the field has always been their biggest weapon (their drive coach has TWO world championships under his belt). Teams like 34 have demonstrated how a versatile mecanum striker can serve a team well in eliminations, and they're probably one of the only teams at the event known for their defense, which will help them stand out due to the funky qualification system. Three very up and coming teams for this event would be 1652, 1732, and 2039. 1652 absorbed the remaining minds behind 2970's rookie sensation, and are an underrated team in their own right, producing a robot that helped beat 71 and 1114 in elims last year. 1732 was also on that alliance, but has been more consistent. 2039's started off pretty well, with two silvers and a gold medal in 3 years. Their mecanum creation just might extend that streak. 2826's one of the nicest, most well run teams you'll ever meet, and in just their second year they've turned out a very well machined robot. After the splash that Wave made in 2009, they show no signs of slowing for 2010. If they don't win this event, they'll be all that much more prepared for their second. EDIT: I forgot to mention a mecanum oriented team that's poised to make a huge splash at this event, 2062. CORE's got a mecanum drivebase with an elevation mechanism capable of suspension just like 2337. Knowing how robust and reliable CORE machines always turn out to be, they should do extremely well in eliminations, giving some bonus support to a "grounded" team like 706, 2826, or 1714 (hint hint hint) in addition to letting teams get an extra bonus point. |
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I know I can't wait for Wisconsin.
Although Chris did a good job, I think there are a few more teams that deserve some recognition and could suprise. 1736 has traditionally built robots with some pretty high offensive potential. Their best year was in 2007 where they dominated Wisconsin with their roller-gripper and human loading, earning the top seed before being upset in the semifinals. Since then they have built some impressive robots that may not have reached their max potential. 1816 is one of Minnesota's strongest teams. Like 1736 they have not been able to repeat their sucess from 2007 when they were a division finalist on Newton. Maybe they can pair up with 111 again to win the regional like in 2006. 2077 could really suprise and shoot up in the rankings. They were quietly sucessful scoring from the close zone at a pre-ship scimmage. They may not be too verstile, but as week one has taught us, being effective from the close zone is crucial. Like 706, 2338 built a very impressive robot last year with a helix-shooter like 217. After becomming a finalist at Midwest last year, they probably want to take the next step. 2506 was one of the best robots at Wisconsin last year. It is difficult to predict another finalist preformance, as last year was their only time making the elminations, but I wouldn't look twice if they were on one of the top alliances. Finally, if you looking for a rookie suprise, I would check out 3197. I'm not sure they can be as successful as 2970 last year, but they showed some good signs at 537's preship scrimmage. But, when it comes down to the end, my three favorites are: 111, 706 and 2826. |
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to the said mecanum teams: WE NEED YOUR HELP! Thanks for the overview of wisconsin. this is our first year attending this regional and hopefully we can figure the game out quickly and accel in it.
Team 2197: We have a pneumatic kicker, pre-load and surgical tubing syle. Mecanum drive system. possible pneaumatic shocks for bump travel. no hanging device. we can probably drive up someones ramp if there is a team like that here. Current issue with our program: (mecanum wheels and pneumatics) We can either get the standar arcade turn or we get forward,back,strafe and thats it. never both at the same time. What we would like is two joysticks, joystick1 is forward,back,rotate(arcade style) joystick 2 is strafe on the X-Axis and possible forward back. Anyone else doing this? we are killing ourselves on it and we cant figure out how to have two joystics for one drive either. Next, pneumatics. we are using old festo single action cylinders. Our goal was Trigger would run two cylinders on a timing system. but now i think it would be best to do Trigger(joystick3) fires solenoid one Button 3(joystick3) fires solenoid two. Can't wait to see you all there on thursday. I'll be sure to stop at team 1716's pits and talk to you guys and probably praise your programmers for any help they can provide. |
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I was originally planning on coming up saturday to watch, then a few things popped up to be done for our bot before midwest, so unfortunately I'll be home saturday working on things (not that i mind lol).
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@ Sam, your in luck as our team also has a Mecanum drive base and has successfully got it to work. We also have integrated pneumatics this year so we have experience with that. Our current joystick set up is similar to tank drive because that is what our drivers would be most accustomed to.
Both Y - Forward/Backward Both X- Slide Inverse Y- Spin either way We are looking forward to helping you out. (If you would like to email your code to us and we could take a look at it before Thursday just send me a PM) As far as your pneumatics is concerned, could you explain what each of your solenoids are doing, it would help to understand what needs to be accomplished. I would recommend that you use a timing system for the kicker as while your adrenaline is pumping, you may forget to retract the kicker-- resulting in a penalty and yellow card. (Assuming I am understanding the purpose correctly) -McGurky |
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Don't forget about 930. I know we're easily looked over but I think that will change this year.
Good luck, and see you Thursday. |
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1018 will be there. cant wait!:D
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If your still having mecanum problems just stop by 1675s pit. we will be more then happy to help out.
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This regional has been picked up for webcast by NASA, but I do not see a link yet on the NASA website.
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141 is not going to be there
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Wisconsin referees are still calling penalties for driving over a ball. Did I misundertand Update #16?
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I noticed the same thing, and wondered the same thing. I'm guessing we both saw the same foul called on the webcast :)
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If you happen to see any members from Team 1501 ask them to come see your robot and give them candy :D :D :D
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If anyone at the Wisconsin regional happens to be reading this, the webcast went down right after alliance selection finished. Can someone get word to the people working the webcast? I'm hoping they can get it restored before elims start at 1:30. Thanks!
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Does anyone have the alliance selections and final results?
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Anyone have any issues with the way this regional ended? I know the referees have a tough time trying to decide what is right and what to do in the case of the unexpected, but I truly believe the final match should have been replayed after the communications had been more thoroughly inspected. When there's one robot complaining about communications issues, it can usually be narrowed down to a problem with their robot. Four though (by the end of the match)? I really hope whatever may have happened here can get ironed out by week 3.
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Thanks to all the volunteers at the Wisconsin Regional. You are the reason why the regional is so much fun each year.
Also thanks to our alliance partners, teams 537 and 93. We gave it a good run. Congratulations to the winning alliance, 2574, 1732, and 171. Also to team 1306 for winning the Chairman's Award. Finally, congratulations to 3381, the Rookie All-Star team. All of the rookie teams this year were very impressive. |
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they did determine that our main breaker tripped at the end of the last match, we got hit going through the tunnel and our battery dropped to 4 volts. As for team 2481, they lost communications in the 2nd and 3rd match, their robot was thoroughly inspected and no problems were found in it. it was strange, their bot worked in autonomous but stopped working when teleop started. Kinda disappointing, we really thought we had the final in the bag after we won the first final match 10 - 4. There were a lot of communication issues throughout the day, not just in the finals, i hope they find a way to clear that up.
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On top of that, can someone tell me how it ended? I can't get a hold of any of my Wisconsin friends and want to know how my team looked and stuff. Thanks!
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Finals:
Red Alliance 706 2481 3362 Blue Alliance 1732 2574 171 Results: 1st Round 10-4 red alliance wins 2nd round 2-6 blue alliance wins 3rd round 2-7 blue alliance wins |
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:( We were a little sad about those last two matches and the loss of com, but in the end we had a GREAT time. We were so happy with how well we performed and our record of 15-1 until those final two matches. I am actually making a video of the final matches now and will post for whoever is interested :) Thanks to all the other alliances for making this a great competition!
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Anybody notice the amount of disconnects during matches throughout the day?
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Yeah. Definately. We, fortunately, never got disconnected.
Congrats to the winners, my ties to Cheese Curd Herd, and Hilltoppers made that especially wonderful (don't you love seeing friends win?). Also, super congrats to 1714 with engineering inspiration (they definately make life easier for our team) and to 1306, because winning Chairman's at Wisconsin definately says something. You guys are awesome. :) EDIT: I thought Fondy Fire was part of the winning alliance. >.< My bad. |
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We had disconnect issues with our alliances 7 different times during the day. We noticed other teams having the same problems very frequently. Its unfortunate but the volunteers put in so much work its hard to be too upset. I hope next year they sort out their severe issues with interference though.
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Congratulations to Katie Widen from 1675 on making the Dean's List! You have been a fantastic friend, student, and "sister" I can't wait to see what you're going to do in the future. I'm so proud of you.
Also congratulations to all other teams at the Wisconsin Regional, there were a lot of fantastic matches and everyone had tons of spirit! Congratulations to all award winners and I hope the Midwest and Minnesota regionals run just as well. Renee |
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I am not saying this as a negatively but throughout the comp there were many comm problems and the scoring system with the blue side added up to a little frustration. Besides that, Wisconsin regional proved to be a great time! the teams were/are awesome, the people were great, awesome volunteers... and the list goes on and on.
Thank you 1018 and 2202 for being such great alliance partners! Thank you team 2197 for the T-Shirts :D And thank you NASA for making this years season possible for the team and streaming the regional for family and friends to see! -Mcgurky |
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does anyone know where you can find either the webcast as a video or some pictures?
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Congrats to the winners of this regional, and even those who did not win, for their tremendous victories and great matches that were truly a joy to watch. Extra congratulations to team 1306 for the chairman's award, and to the rookies who truly showed their stuff. 'twas an exciting few days, to say the least.
And technical difficulties combined with bad luck knocked out some good bots this year, a true shame. I saw several teams underperform on a regular basis, and some really great bots wound up flopping around the field for a few matches where they should have been really cranking things up. Just wish we at 2039 had another shot this year, but it looks like it just isnt going to fit in the budget (hopefully we can find another regional, but I am not holding my breath). There were several teams that would be an absolute joy to see go to nationals this year, that failed to do so this time around (a notable mention is 706, one of the most impressive bots at the regional, if my opinion is warranted), and it is my fervent hope that they meet with the best of luck elsewhere. There is much more to say, but I feel that already I may have droned on above my meagre qualification to do so. This challenge makes me feel more confident with my generation; everybody should be exceedingly proud of themselves for their amazing accomplishments here. edit: I have yet to find any feed from these matches online, though I expect that the blue alliance site will have some videos after a couple of weeks. |
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Congrats to the winners and thanks to our alliance partners 1091 and 2826. It was a great honor to be part of your team. The bugs, and some unfortunate accidents, bit us all too but overall it was an exciting and fun time.
It's a shame that 706 will not be competing again this year, they had a totally killer robot that got bit (comm problems?) at the end. I'm hoping that Hilltoppers 1732 will be happy enough with just one regional win and be willing to take it easy at Midwest, because they're outright deadly! I'm sure 111 will show up at Midwest with a vengeance, as well! Looking forward to Midwest...!!! |
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I have to give a ton of thanks to our alliance partners. After the alliance selection, I didn't think we really had much of a chance of getting past the 111/1714 alliance, let alone win the entire thing. But each team raised up and really worked through some adversity include 4 matches where one of us didn't work (all our fault, no connection errors) and in semifinal 3 where we had a 6-5 victory erased by a human player penalty. 2574: Thanks for selecting us. I really thought our downfall of our alliance would be a lack of scoring, but you guys were awesome. In one match, we weren't doing our job by clearing balls (that dangerous 1714 kept needed our attention), and you quietly went to zone 2 to advance your balls to score. 171: Some of the smartest drivers I've seen. Blocking the tunnel to trap 706 in the middle zone in the finals was brilliant. As was playing defense on 1736's hang in the quarterfinals. Oh, and playing some strong defense on 111 was ok too.:D 2481/706/3362: You were one strong alliance. It is a shame that the finals matches did not have all 6 robots moving. We had 706 as the best zone 1 robot on our picking list and 2481 also very high. While 2062 seems to get most of the attention 2481 was equally as impressive at hanging, while scoring a few from the middle zone. 3362 was actually #4 on our picking list on Friday night as a close zone scorer (some connection issues in their Saturday morning matches dropped them down our list, though). We quickly learned that they were equally effective at playing defense. You cannot imagine the relief we felt when a backup bot was called in for their team in the finals. 111/1714/2077: I still find it hard to believe that we beat such a strong alliance. 111 is deadly from anywhere with their line-drive goals. 1714 probably had the best drivers for any zone 1 robot and had an exceptional suction ball magnet. As the 23rd pick, 2077 could kick like the 3rd, making them a perfect compliment to the other two. I'm willing to bet a lot 1714 wins Minnesota for the second straight year. I also hope we get paired up with 111 in Midwest, because I don't think I could take the stress of figuring out a strategy to beat them again. Also congrats to 1306, The Badger Bots, for their regional chairman's award and all the other award winners. |
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Thanks to 1714 and 537 for being there when we needed it! |
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Someone else must have been playing some solid D on Wildstang too, because in the last match when your robot died I didnt have any balls in the front zone. Hopefully you are right about MN, I certainly got enough practice driving this weekend with the 4 matches in the quarterfinals and semifinals. |
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The regional was a lot of fun and we had a blast. A big thanks to all the volunteers that made it possible.
As for the comm problems that was a little disappointing. From what I am aware of this same thing happened at the Peachtree regional. A robot looses comms and the field personal can not determine why. If they can not provide explanations with out phrases such as "Your radio was in a tizzy" (the explanation they gave us one time). then the match should be replayed. In the semi finals we lost comms at the exact same time 706 lost video feed. No one knows why but as sure as night is from day it was not a field problem. I fail to see how that is not a network error. In the second final round we lost comms a couple seconds after switching from autonomous to teleop mode. In the third final round we lost comms a couple seconds after coming out of autonomous mode. The indicator light showed it as going back into autonomous mode and then being completely disabled. One of the students driving was quick on his feet to think and proceeded to log out of the Driver account on the classmate and log in to the Developer account. Seeing as how this did not work in previous matches when we lost comms I was under the impression that this was prevented. After getting logged into developer the driver opened up the command prompt and issued arp -d. He logged back out and in to the Driver account and the robot worked for a few more seconds. If I understand the system correctly the only way that the logout should have been able to happen is if classmate lost connection from the field. On top of that I was under an impression that once a robot lost comms they were not suppose to be able to come back in without a field reset. I will also add aside from one very high impact hit the only time our robot ever lost comms it was on the red alliance. You can see why we feel it was a problem with the field and not the robot. We were also confused by the refs ruling on one rule in particular. <G34> FINALE PERIOD ROBOT Protection - During the FINALE, ROBOTS in contact with their TOWER or in contact with an ELEVATED ALLIANCE partner may not be contacted by an opponent. Violation: PENALTY for inadvertent contact; plus a RED CARD for obviously intentional contact. The intent of the rule is to encourage robots to ELEVATE and SUSPEND themselves. Seeing as how we had a robot that was able to climb teams countered it with defense and tried to push us off the bump. There were two times this happened. The first the refs ruled it as not being contact with the tower. We would argue against that we were not touching the tower but that is how the refs ruled it and we respect the ruling. The second time we were in contact with the tower and they issued a penalty. The rule clearly states that it is a RED CARD for intentional contact. There is no way you can argue that it wasn't intentional. It is not that big of deal because we won anyways but I fail to see why the refs did not assess the correct penalty. |
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1 Additional complaint after reading the rules a little bit more.
<T21> In the elimination matches, each ALLIANCE will be allotted one TIMEOUT of up to 6 minutes. If an ALLIANCE wishes to call for a TIMEOUT, they must submit their TIMEOUT coupon to the Head Referee within two minutes of the Head Referee issuing the arena reset signal preceding their MATCH. When this occurs, the Time-out Clock will count down the six minutes starting with the expiration of the arena reset period. Both ALLIANCES will enjoy the complete 6-minute window. In the interest of tournament schedule, if an ALLIANCE completes their repairs before the Time-out Clock expires, the ALLIANCE CAPTAIN is encouraged to inform the Head Referee that they are ready to play and remit any time remaining in the TIMEOUT. If ALLIANCES are ready before the 6-minute window, the next MATCH will start. There are no cascading time-outs. An opposing ALLIANCE may not offer their unused TIMEOUT to their opponent. According to rule T21 my team and I were under the impression that the time out coupon we received served a purpose.....and was redeemable for a 6 minute timeout. After Finals match 2, when there was a comm problem, we tried to call a time out when the head referee ordered the reset so that we could look into the problem. The head ref told us no and told us to get back out on to the field. |
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From what I've seen on the webcast and heard from talking to people, it seems Wisconsin referees weren't interpreting a lot of rules very correctly.
You're allowed to call a timeout for any reason as long as you turn in the ticket promptly. I was unaware of any clause where a ref could just tell you "no" unless you didn't turn it in promptly. |
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To all interested in reviewing the matches, once the matches are pulled apart, the matches will be sent to the Blue Alliance for viewing on the web.
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Thank you everyone for the kind words about our team.
Thank all the teams at the Wisconsin regional for helping us have our BEST EVER season. Our team was more professional and "in the spirit of FIRST" than it ever has been before. Even if we stopped now, I am very proud of the entire team! The disconnect problems are unfortunate, but in the last match we did not disconnect, our main breaker blew! Has that ever happened to you? Even so, we probably would not have won. But! I am not sure about the politics or logistics involved, but I got an exciting email about 20 minutes ago... Something about our robot going to Atlanta... |
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It's true, we are going to Atlanta :)
Also, the video of our final rounds is uploading, but its really only us playing, not much of other teams. |
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Did FIRST do something to reconcile the situation or you are going to Atlanta on your own accord? I must say you guys did awesome. We saw a vid of your bot before the competition and were worried that we would have to play against it. We never even dreamed of being able to be on the same alliance as your team with such a great bot. |
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Awesome job all FRC teams at the Milwaukee Regional! Every team there was so nice to our team, especially when we needed a few things :] ! Thanks to our alliance members in the quarterfinals, you guys rocked!
Congratulations to the winning alliance, those last finals matches were incredibly fun and exciting. All six of the teams out there totally deserved to win! It was awesome to watch! Good luck at nationals! Though my team will not be attending, I'm going down to Atlanta and I plan to cheer for all of you guys from our regional!!! Awesome competition guys! |
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I must agree with everyone. This was an amazing regional.
Thanks to team 171 and 1732. You guys were amazing. You guys give us praise for being good but honestly we could not have done it with the amazing driving of 171 and 1732's scoring ability, we overcame what I think most of us thought to be a herculean task. I still can't believe we beat 111's alliance. I honestly thought at that point we were going home. It was one of the most intense matches I've been in. 2481/706/3362 was also an incredible strong alliance and another very intense match. Being down there as my team's coach was an incredible experience and seeing all the lights and sounds coming from everywhere was a surreal experience. Thanks to everyone for making this regional amazing. |
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Hey guys, I finished the video!
Here they are, the final matches (mostly 706 though). Thanks so much for the great time everyone! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf4SRK7Whm8 |
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I think it was one of the most exciting Saturday afternoons ever. You guys did good! |
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Team 1091 found a Nintendo DS in the stands. If this is yours could you please describe it, and what kind of case it was in. Please let me know if this is your Nintendo DS.
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