Team Update 16 applied to 2010 regional data
 

So out of a Twitter challenge, I went through the data from the Bayou Regional that 2815 and 1398 attended and adjusted it to reflect the five-point win bonus that will come into effect in Week 2 after Team Update 16.

The results are significant; only five of the 38 teams held the same position afterward. (Notably, 1912 retained its top seed.)

I've ignored a few things in my calculations:
-Red cards are ignored, as I don't have a good way to tell who had one when.
-2920, as you may have heard, did not pass inspection until just before their final qualification match. As that match was a 0-0 tie, the new rule addressing their situation would've resulted in no points of any sort. Net result had I accounted for it: 38th of 38.
-Ball penetration penalties, which played no small part in a lot of those 0-0 ties, are ignored simply because there's no way to divorce them from the gameplay that happened at Bayou.

The Google Docs spreadsheet is located at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...VTc Gc&hl=en; I welcome you to poke through the data yourself or crunch numbers for one of the other Week 1 events to draw your own conclusions.

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Not a public doc -- requested access though.

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Try this:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...pg&output=html

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But teams might have played differently with the extra 5 point bonus, so I'm not sure the scores can be compared.

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You can't completely do so; there's too much different from Week 1 to Week 2 to do it purely in math. It's all a very rough approximation of the effects.

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Thank you Billfred for following through with the challenge - I, too was curious myself :)

The results are pretty staggering. Would have been nice to incorporate Red Cards - but consider it difficult and moot anyways because of the new update.

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I just added BAE into a different tab. Feel free to "do the math".

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I've gone ahead and re-done the numbers for NJ. It's a rough estimate like the BAE and Bayou Regionals. There are a couple real big moves in there.

The excel file is here, and it is formatted a bit differently. If anyone wants to convert it into the google spreadsheet format, feel free.

Re: Team Update 16 applied to 2010 regional data
 

Thanks for the data, but I think you made an error. They did not get rid of the coopertition bonus. They merely added points for a winning alliance. You need to add the coopertition bonus back into the final ranking.

Re: Team Update 16 applied to 2010 regional data
 

My mistake on the reading of the team update.

Here's an adjustment...

There are still quite a few big moves in there, and a 2 team turnover for alliance selection.

-Jeff

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I've gone ahead and done KC, and there are certainly some nasty jumps in there. rank changes range anywhere from +/-1 to +/-15. My own team dropped 4 spots.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Am5tgDmeNTzGdE1jVFNOVUxjQnB6dmFNUGdpQW5WZ FE&hl=en

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One of our students calculated the change for us and 2 rookie teams that were at the same competition with us that we have been helping and noticed that we would have moved up 5 slots. one of our rookie teams down 1 slot and the other up 9 slots. That was at the Kettering District event.

Re: Team Update 16 applied to 2010 regional data
 

From my understanding of TU-16 the winning team no longer gets double the unpenalized score of the losing team, so wouldn't you have to subtract double the Coopertition bonus out of their adjusted score?

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Team Update 16 added 5 points to 9.3.4. It did not delete 9.3.5.

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All...

I noticed this with atleast the NJ regional do not know about the others, however you cannot take the Seeding Score as is from FIRST....

FIRST included the Elimination matches for some reason in the seeding score section, because I looked at our seeding score and you need to eliminate teams from elimination matches or adjust their seeding score for true calculations.

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but from the points I added up this is what I gathered.

-ks

Re: Team Update 16 applied to 2010 regional data
 

Do any teams have their regional scouting data available for us to take a look at to make a proper Excel sheet?

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BAE/team 1519's scouting data can be found here- http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=83940

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I am not sure exactly what you are referring to. The (corrected) post by Jee7s above is the correct adjusted ranking.

The rankings on FIRST's website are correct also:

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/eve.../rankings.html

It doesn't look like the elims score was included in the final SS, otherwise 25's score would be way higher.

Re: Team Update 16 applied to 2010 regional data
 

Your 'wins' data for BAE is incorrect.

team 1729 had 5 wins, 3 losses and 2 ties (shown here

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The wins for Team #3074 are also incorrect.

http://www.thebluealliance.net/tbatv/team/3074

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If you see inconsistency, I encourage you to post a new spreadsheet in the format that Billfred has started and I will be happy to replace it. Thanks!

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You are absolutely correct! Why score for yourself when you can willing take penalties (inadvertent rolling on the ball) and end up with the same score at the end.

These changes had a huge impact and shouldn't be evaluated as only statistics in a chart.

Re: Team Update 16 applied to 2010 regional data
 

Attached is the updated sheet for the BAE Systems Granite State Regional. None of the top six spots changed, and the big (+/- 10) changes were in the middle of the pack, where they would have no real effect. The average ranking change was 3.29 places, the median was 2.

Also, note that the "average change" box needs to use the absolute value of the ranking changes, not the average of the changes themselves (which should always be 0).

Re: Team Update 16 applied to 2010 regional data
 

Updated at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...VTc Gc&hl=en;

Thank you!