Re: The 469 auto
 

469 (or any other robot) parking in the tunnel does NOT cause another team to get a penalty. If a team can't get over the bump, they must have gone through the tunnel in the first place. When they did that, and if an alliance partner was already in the other team's near zone, that's when the penalty happened. It didn't happen when their escape route was blocked.

If one robot went over the bump and another through the tunnel at the same time, one of them had better turn around pronto. If the tunnel got blocked just after the transit, then the one who went over the bump has go get back.

Re: The 469 auto
 

I believe the situation in question is that you were defending against 469 and they pushed you under the tunnel into the opponent area. The OP of this situation wanted to use this as a way to get 2 bots into the defense area legally

Re: The 469 auto
 

The only sure way to beat a 217,469, and some other team alliance is to have a beastly defensive bot against 217and the other 3rd pick to block 217 and get balls to the home zone. The midfielder would basically pester 469 until the last 20 and your near zone is left open to your 3rd alliance partner to score.

Re: The 469 auto
 

If they win autonomous, you're done. 5 ball cycle isn't stoppable.

My plan for beating them involves not letting possibly the two best teams in the world pair up with each other.

Re: The 469 auto
 

If someone seeds higher than them (assuming they are on the same field), it is relatively easy to break up that alliance, isn't it?

Re: The 469 auto
 

I kinda hope someone gets "carried" just once now. Just to see if 217 + some other awesome teams can beat 469 + good but not great teams... Doubt it'll happen.

Re: The 469 auto
 

Hopefully, we'll take a run at this position at Troy (although we will certianly not be "carried")... it would be nice to seperate 217 and 469 for elims. Who knows crazier things have happened... :) .

Re: The 469 auto
 

Theres a fairly simple way to beat 469 and still be semi-productive in the game. 548 has the idea on how to do this, but were wondering how much effort its worth to be able to stop 1 team that we will see at states, and possibly no where else. By the way, I'm not gunna give away the secret incase we do end up using it...

Re: The 469 auto
 

BJenks, try to get up to Troy Saturday and get a good look at some teams that 548 hasn't seen this year, as well as that 46something team. I'll be reffing as well as Mr. Bennett and Robert VanHam.

And it is my bet that there will be enough 469 and 51 copycats at States that we will have most alliances consisting of a ball handler (67, 33, 27, 910, 217 and the list is long), a diverter (469, 51 and the copy cats) and a diverter defense (548 and others that commit to that action). I can't imagine that any alliance that has to play against 469 will not choose a diverter defender as their first choice. The alternative is to let 469 lock in place and the game is over.

I also do not think that is the only time we will see a 469. I think Nationals will be the same as our States, maybe even more diverter heavy. I just can't imagine a picking alliance not wanting a diverter defender.

Re: The 469 auto
 

Well that's easier said than done. You basically have to be 1st overall seed to stop a 469/217 or similar matchup.

Re: The 469 auto
 

I'm not sugesting breaking up a pair like 469/217 or even 67/51. Theres just small modifications we can make to our bot to successfully stop them.

Re: The 469 auto
 

Now you got me curious... and trust me depending on how small it is, it'll be worth it.

Re: The 469 auto
 

BJC, I wish all of my team would read your post. BJenks548 is right, we have the plan, the bot design and the capability to do it but we have a lot of team members that do not seem to understand how desirable it would be. We have not competed against 469 this year and none of our team has seen them so they don't understand, I believe. I truly think that every alliance that does not get 469 would pick a team that could keep 469 from completing their cycle.

And I also agree with BJenks, we know how to do it, we can do it, and I believe we will be playing well up into the elimination matches at both States and Nationals if we do it. Time will tell!

Re: The 469 auto
 

if a team with a kicker that recharged fast enough could sit in front of them, then they could just kick the balls out as soon as they were deflected out, our kicker has a recharge of 1.2 secs at min, 1.8 at max, so i don't think that would be too difficult to do.

Re: The 469 auto
 

I wonder if you get to the tower first will they still expand, hence a possibility of a penalty?