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Chris is me

14-03-2010 18:44

[TBA]: No Elim Ties on TBA?

I noticed that for my team's performance at WPI, neither 3-3 tie was listed in elims, and the scores for QF2-4 and 2-5 were in the spots for QF2-1 and 2-2 (where the ties go). Is this a bug or feature? Can it be fixed?

SamC	14-03-2010 18:55

Re: [TBA]: No Elim Ties on TBA?

I believe TBA just scrapes data from the FIRST results page, which doesn't appear to show those matches either. http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/eve...chresults.html

ATannahill

14-03-2010 19:38

Re: [TBA]: No Elim Ties on TBA?

Technically the 4th amd 5th match are replays, thus the ties are not officially recognized.

Greg Marra

19-03-2010 00:57

Re: [TBA]: No Elim Ties on TBA?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamC (Post 936968)

I believe TBA just scrapes data from the FIRST results page, which doesn't appear to show those matches either. http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/eve...chresults.html

This is correct. We can't get more information than FIRST publishes.

GaryVoshol

19-03-2010 06:36

Re: [TBA]: No Elim Ties on TBA?

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 937005)

Technically the 4th amd 5th match are replays, thus the ties are not officially recognized.

That's right, it's a feature of the system, based on the way the tournament rules are written:

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9.4.3

In order to allow equal time between matches for all ALLIANCES, the order of play will be:
QF1-1, QF2-1, QF3-1, QF4-1,
Then QF1-2, QF2-2, QF3-2, QF4-2,
Then QF1-3*, QF2-3*, QF3-3*, QF4-3*
Then any QF replays due to ties*
Then SF1-1, SF2-1, SF1-2, SF2-2, SF1-3*, SF2-3*
Then any SF replays due to ties*
Then F-1, F-2, F-3*
Then any F replays due to ties*
(* - if required)

(emphasis mine)

If you look at the match results for an event, you will see that QF1-1 is listed as being played after QF1-3, when the QF goes to more than 3 matches. However if QF-1 is a tie and then QF-2 and QF-3 are won by the same alliance, the tie result is shown.

Pat Fairbank

19-03-2010 14:11

Re: [TBA]: No Elim Ties on TBA?

Speaking as a scorekeeper, tied matches in the eliminations are treated as replays in FMS. We're supposed to note the ties and forward the information to FIRST after the event so that they can later update the results page manually, at which point I assume TBA would be able to pick them up.

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