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If you know any school who has a gym with 3000 sits, and place for a pit, let me know.

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my school has place to 1000 people and place for the pits,
maybe thats the solution because I think next year or in the year after it we will need more one regional in israel then, every regional will have 40 teams and that is more sensetive to do in my school

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[quote=yarden.saa;939900]my school has place to 1000 people and place for the pits,
maybe thats the solution because I think next year or in the year after it we will need more one regional in israel then, every regional will have 40 teams and that is more sensetive to do in my school[/Q

NOKIA is perfect for FIRST.
It's kind of a centered location for all teams, easy to get to for all, It's big and easy to set and take apart.
The only relevant solution is to be well prepared for the competition both from FIRST Israel's side and the teams side.
If Things go according to schedule there is plenty of time in the 3 days.
I don't know if you noticed, but games didn't go on as schedule and not always because comm problems. The first day was extended for teams who didn't pass inspections, out of FIRST's good will to see all teams play.
Many teams didn't get to the field on time, and once again they where waited for.
From my understanding, some of the problems in the comm came as a result of invalid code, If only teams were well prepared (not blaming teams, I just think next year we can pay more attention, I think we also had some kind of problem) code wise. We could of saved a lot of time trying to solve all the comm problems.

And don't look for a crooked floor where it doesn't exist.
FIRST Israel is to blame for the poor competition, very few teams for unsportsmanlike behavior. And many teams should be thanked for holding their head's up as high as it gets during such a hard experience.
Most team's were looking for any opportunity to help and show what they are worth.

I want people from outside to understand how stressful the situation was for teams. Every team worked really hard on their robot's for 6 official weeks and a few more until the competition.
This year was a hard year, really tough challenge, weird ranking system. And then when we get to the arena it's not according to sketches (legal tolerance, but annoying when they get the diameter of a pipe wrong =\).Communication doesn't work. Finishing the second day with a horrible feeling, when some teams have gotten on the field every single game but not played one due to comm problems. And at the final day where they finally do something fair and give everybody 3 games but they get it wrong and stay with the odd ranking system, which does not make much sense(especially with such little amounts of game). And finally the finals which you know all about.

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I guess that all the teams will register to both regionals.

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Unless they switch to a system like they have in Michigan. Have two district competitions culminating in an Israeli regional championship.

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I am floored by your continued arrogance/ignorance.

It is obvious that you do not use C++. Why do you think so many C++ updates came out? Because the previous updates broke things/didn't work.

Look here: http://first.wpi.edu/FRC/frccupdates.html

Every single one of the mid-season upgrades is a bug fix. Every team had these issues; it's all WPI's fault for making bad libraries.

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Closing thread to let things calm down. I'll open it again on Monday.

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OK, I've opened it up again. Let's try to keep things civil, and only provide constructive suggestions.

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This is completely un-called-for, completely ungracious, and completely unprofessional, and simply not true. Our team used the Beta on Beta system that WPI created for Java, never mind C++, and had ZERO problems, as did several winning robots at several of the regionals, using vision tracking with the Java.

I also saw winning teams using C++ at the BAE granite state regional and the St Louis regional. Blaming failure on libraries when other people are succeeding ... well, I'll leave it at that.

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Ha, maybe Gary should have left this thread closed.
A few things:
1. I agree that Brianelite's assessment of the WPI libraries is incorrect.
2. I DO NOT agree that he was either ungracious or unprofessional. He may have been wrong, but that doesn't mean he was ungracious or unprofessional. Being upset about a perceived under performing product in this case is understandable. Forgive me for being hypocritical, but calling people names is probably a more egregious example of being ungracious and unprofessional.

3. I think there should be a 3 day moratorium on ChiefDelphi posts from teams that have just attended a regional. It seems that a large chunk of heated posts occur in the aftermath of regionals from teams that for whatever reason feel that they were wronged in some way. Believe me when I say that I know how they feel. I am by my very nature very competitive and find myself still fighting even after the regional is over. It takes a day or two to evaluate the season with clear headed perspective.

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I think I'd agree on leaving the thread closed.

Brian, there are two things I think you should know. The first is that the libraries were created and beta tested by volunteers. They don't have to do this. If a lot of people make comments like the ones you've made here, the volunteers might just quit. Then the quality of the competitions will really go down, because there isn't a codebase other than the one out there now.

The second is that maybe instead of criticizing, you should try either constructive criticism or just plain trying to help them. That comes off much better than what you've been doing. ("I noticed these problems and would like to help you work on a fix for them" as opposed to "You guys stink because I don't like your work".)

TubaMorg, I think the ungracious part sticks. "...floored by your continued arrogance/ignorance...it's all WPI's fault for making bad libraries"--and that's only from the last post he made. If that isn't ungracious, I don't know what it is, other than quite possibly bitter and annoyed. Also see the one that was quoted for further inflammatory language.

But ditto on the short moratorium on posts from teams that just attended a regional. I see more posts that raise the blood pressure in the 1, 2, or 3 days during or right after a regional...

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A positive post on YouTube needs to be seen by all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDpfJz3Lgmc