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Re: disaster in israel regional

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Originally Posted by Tom Line (Post 939457)

It is very unfortunate that you continue to bash FIRST volunteers, sponsors, beta testers and others who worked very hard to give a decent control system.

Instead of turning all that energy you seem to have into a postive force to help improve FIRST, you still insist on negativity and rude criticism.

The people working on that system are professionals, and excellent programmers. Indeed, you had many absolute TOP notch engineers working on the system. In fact, I think you'll find that hundreds of teams are utilizing C++ without the issues you seem to think are so earth-shattering.

Part of being in FIRST is find and dealing with issues in a professional way: maintaining a positive attitude and finding ways to solve the issue. I suggest you work on that method. It will certainly bear more fruit that your current course of routinely bashing FIRST and the people who work hard to try and make it a success.

I apologize for the highjack, but I couldn't in good conscience let brianelite's post go unanswered. This is the second time he's gone down the road of denegration and put-downs.

I am floored by your continued arrogance/ignorance.

It is obvious that you do not use C++. Why do you think so many C++ updates came out? Because the previous updates broke things/didn't work.

Look here: http://first.wpi.edu/FRC/frccupdates.html

Every single one of the mid-season upgrades is a bug fix. Every team had these issues; it's all WPI's fault for making bad libraries.

Re: disaster in israel regional

Closing thread to let things calm down. I'll open it again on Monday.

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OK, I've opened it up again. Let's try to keep things civil, and only provide constructive suggestions.

Re: disaster in israel regional

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Originally Posted by brianelite (Post 938994)

What do you mean teams couldn't test the cRio/Driver station until kickoff?

The REAL issue here is that FIRST continues to put amateurs in charge of developing the programming environment. Total disaster this year with C++, our code was blowing up for WEEKS into build season before the WPI guys fixed their library... absolutely inexcusable that these guys who cannot even compile their own library are given the task of providing the programming tools for hundreds/thousands of teams using C++... It is simply outrageous that after 2 years deployment FIRST had to scramble to put out a working cRio image/ robotics library in the final week or so...

This is completely un-called-for, completely ungracious, and completely unprofessional, and simply not true. Our team used the Beta on Beta system that WPI created for Java, never mind C++, and had ZERO problems, as did several winning robots at several of the regionals, using vision tracking with the Java.

I also saw winning teams using C++ at the BAE granite state regional and the St Louis regional. Blaming failure on libraries when other people are succeeding ... well, I'll leave it at that.

Re: disaster in israel regional

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Originally Posted by Isaac501 (Post 940949)

Ha, maybe Gary should have left this thread closed.
A few things:
1. I agree that Brianelite's assessment of the WPI libraries is incorrect.
2. I DO NOT agree that he was either ungracious or unprofessional. He may have been wrong, but that doesn't mean he was ungracious or unprofessional. Being upset about a perceived under performing product in this case is understandable. Forgive me for being hypocritical, but calling people names is probably a more egregious example of being ungracious and unprofessional.

3. I think there should be a 3 day moratorium on ChiefDelphi posts from teams that have just attended a regional. It seems that a large chunk of heated posts occur in the aftermath of regionals from teams that for whatever reason feel that they were wronged in some way. Believe me when I say that I know how they feel. I am by my very nature very competitive and find myself still fighting even after the regional is over. It takes a day or two to evaluate the season with clear headed perspective.

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I think I'd agree on leaving the thread closed.

Brian, there are two things I think you should know. The first is that the libraries were created and beta tested by volunteers. They don't have to do this. If a lot of people make comments like the ones you've made here, the volunteers might just quit. Then the quality of the competitions will really go down, because there isn't a codebase other than the one out there now.

The second is that maybe instead of criticizing, you should try either constructive criticism or just plain trying to help them. That comes off much better than what you've been doing. ("I noticed these problems and would like to help you work on a fix for them" as opposed to "You guys stink because I don't like your work".)

TubaMorg, I think the ungracious part sticks. "...floored by your continued arrogance/ignorance...it's all WPI's fault for making bad libraries"--and that's only from the last post he made. If that isn't ungracious, I don't know what it is, other than quite possibly bitter and annoyed. Also see the one that was quoted for further inflammatory language.

But ditto on the short moratorium on posts from teams that just attended a regional. I see more posts that raise the blood pressure in the 1, 2, or 3 days during or right after a regional...

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A positive post on YouTube needs to be seen by all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDpfJz3Lgmc