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Never been to championship before got questions
Well since 706 has committed to go to Atlanta I have a couple of questions. First, how many team members do you usually bring?
How do the teams get from the hotel to the arena and how long does it take? Is the pit realy far from the playing field? I have heard a mile and I can't believe that. Do most teams go out for lunch? 45 minutes is not a long time to make that happen. Can you bring food to the pits? I'll probably have more but answers to these would be a big help. Thanks Bruce |
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How do the teams get from the hotel to the arena and how long does it take?
There are plenty of hotel rooms within walking distance. Most teams stay at one of those hotels in the downtown area. Is the pit realy far from the playing field? I have heard a mile and I can't believe that. Never measured, but it takes about 10 minutes to walk from the pits to the field without traffic. I'd say that's about a half mile. Do most teams go out for lunch? 45 minutes is not a long time to make that happen. Lots of food choices including a picnic outside. GWCC has the best food at the lowest cost. That's where the pits are. Can you bring food to the pits? Not supposed to. |
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There's a lot of wisdom in this thread. It would be worth your while to read through it. If any more questions come to mind, ask them.
I would suggest that you: 1. be prepared for the unexpected. That would include being prepared for emergencies such as medical, financial, family. The more organized your team is, the better the experience will be. The Championships can be overwhelming for first time attendees and the organization will help keep that in control. 2. have a meeting place and run a buddy system. That way, no one is running around alone and everyone knows when and where to meet up. (Because the pits and the stands/fields are so far apart - the team is separated. That takes extra thought as far as coordinating arrivals/departures, etc.) 3. attend the Championship conferences. This is the time of the season when teams have the opportunity to listen to and meet members of other teams that are so valued in the FRC/FIRST community. 4. make sure that you keep up with the Championship schedules/information. An example is the Thursday qualifying rounds that are being introduced this year. I don't think it matters how many team members go. If everyone can go, that's great. Just make sure you can handle that. If only a few can go, make arrangements to keep a travel log or blog or video to share with the rest of the team. Take lots of pictures - and not just of all the robots, but of everything. That's where memories can be stored. Have a great time! Jane |
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Tips for Atlanta:
They can't call out when it's time for your team to queue over the speaker system. It's too loud and there are 4 divisions. You're responsible for knowing when your next match is. A tip is to watch the score board for what match is when and leave 20 minutes in advance for the first couple of matches. That will give you an idea of how long the walk takes (10-15 mins) and how far ahead/behind they are in the schedule. If you're part of the drive team, you will want GOOD SHOES, especially if you're the one pushing/pulling the robot. Make friends, ask for help directly from teams. Unfortunately, it's difficult to hear even the sparse requests for help or parts. Many veteran teams have a network of friends they can go to if you need something specific, so they should at least be able to point you in the right direction. Eat in the courtyard between the GWCC and GA Dome. There are often times other fun things happening there too. In 2006/2007 we stayed in downtown Atlanta at a FIRST hotel, booked in TIMS. The walk took 20 mins, though it may take you a little more or less since some hotels are further/closer. In 2008/2009 we stayed at a hotel in Marietta and rented 3 12-passenger vans for a cost savings of ~$500 for 40 people (also had a truck/trailer for tools). So far we plan to do this again for 2010, but with a much smaller team (only FTC for us this year). FIRST hotels are a bit pricey, relative to what else is available in the city, yet the cost of a car (12-passenger van = $400 for Wed night to Sat. night) may offset that price depending on how many students you bring. It's an engineering feat in and of itself to find the best bang for your buck for the whole trip, so be sure to research. As an example, we had to consider that if we drove a bus down our County's regulations stipulate no overnight driving; thus the cost savings of a bus were offset by the cost of an extra night in the hotel. I'd recommend making several different options on various tabs for a spreadsheet, and then figure out which option gives you the best value (e.g. perhaps you're willing to pay a little extra money for a little less headache, etc). I definitely recommend staying at a hotel that serves a free hot breakfast. When we attended Philadelphia in 2008, we made the mistake of staying at the Sheraton downtown. There's nothing worse than a grumpy team full of hungry kids since 2 scrambled eggs with toast cost $6 (ran out for doughnuts instead, but that still doesn't nourish enough for a day of competition...). Typical continental breakfasts are an ok substitute so long as you get enough. |
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if you look at this picture
you will see the dome and the GWCC. The lobby of building 'C' of the GWCC is just above the dome and to the left. It is roughly the shape of a ship. In fact the Titanic ship would fit inside the lobby. It is around 1,000 feet or 1/5 mile long. Just to give you perspective. To get from the pits to the dome floor will require a minimum travel of probably 0.4 mile. Allow for distance and traffic on the way there. Because if you are not at the field on time you are out of luck. |
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Another first-timer at Atlanta.....thanks for the link to the older thread, that was extremely helpful.
I just wanted to check this, as I've got friends coming: Championships are free to the public like regionals, right? thank you! |
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Funny story, I was trying to find my team last year at the Championship. Our main team color is purple and I was looking for purple in the stands. They chose to wear their gray shirts that day and I wasn't looking for gray. Luckily, they spotted me (in my PURPLE), looking for them. Jane |
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http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...mpus%20Map.pdf
Official 2010 diagrams are not up yet, but was able to find this one on the FLL page. Pits are usually in GWCC Bldg C, and non-drive team members use ground-level C entrance to access the Georgia Dome. What they call "west plaza gold deck" is the grassy area where most teams eat lunch / toss frisbees / where the annual Chief Delphi Web-hug is held. |
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So where do we park to unload our pit and where do we go to park for the day?
Bruce |
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DON'T FORGET TO HAVE FUN AT THE WRAP-UP PARTY!
And cheer and scream and have fun. And go to RoboProm (assuming that it's happening this year). Championships is the best place to network, so meet people from other teams and have too much fun. :) |
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Encourage a few team members to volunteer at the event. It is a lot of fun and you meet so many cool people. Plus free lunch and access to the floor. Hard deal too beat.
It's also really a great thing for recent team alumni to do if they come along with your team. |
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One thing no one has mentioned so far: not only is it a fair walk from the pits to the field with the robot, but it is not flat. Make sure you have a decent cart with some real wheels on it, a furniture dolly, even with a handle, will not make you very happy. Also, make sure there is room on the cart for some basic tools, and a spare battery or two. Every year as I am walking back and forth, I see poor kids trying to run from the pits to the field with a battery. It's a long way to try and run with a 12 lb lead brick... Also, as there will be some matches on the schedule where you will not really have time to go back to the pit between matches, you may want a way to power/charge your Classmate.
See you there!! |
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Other notes: Talk to teams on other fields if you can. Many teams have at least one contact per field for scouting in case they make it to Einstein. It's good to have that information. The Wrap-Up party is amazing, you may need to prepare yourself for that level of awesome. Don't forget that this is supposed to be one of the best experiences of the year. Just have fun, and good luck! |
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This thread has been a great help to team 2345, as this is also our first year to Atlanta. I was thinking of starting a thread like this, but following the Chief Delphi rule, i searched FIRST. haha. Thanks again to all that posted.
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Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but remember to get a really good night's sleep for the entirety of your stay in Atlanta. Having gone last year and having a complete blast, it's pretty easy to get carried away and want to stay up all night wandering around the hotel hallways, talking to friends and other teams, but you definitely pay for it the day afterward. Championships is probably the most tiring and sometimes nerve-racking event you can attend, but of course it's also the most fun! However, running back and forth between the field and the pits, as well as making last minute tweaks in between is no fun when you're running on 2 hours of sleep :p
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For the subject of meals, my team has found it is just better to eat a breakfast at the hotel... assuming they have one... lunches in the commons (correct term for it?) for they have a few different snack and commercial vendors out there... and dinner at the Omni Complex.
Lunch is the tricky buisness as you pointed out. Being busy all of the days, we have found it best to go during one of the few, brief, points of convenience to go out to the commons, or run over to the Omni Food Court. There is another question I would like to bring up. What is being done about the WiFi and other communication problems at Atlanta? Ignoring the abyssmal issues at the Israeli Reigonal... it still takes around seven to nine minutes on average to turn the field around! Despite having four feilds, I am afraid that Atlanta will have enormous delays. |
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I think that is the reason that the beginning of qualification rounds have been moved up to Thursday evening.
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Mr. B, our hotel is four blocks away so we can walk. |
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One caution about the CNN food court, it is very crowded. Wait for food takes a while, try 30 minutes for food on Thursday at multiple places. My team opted for a couple of moms to get some food at supermarkets and eat in the parking lot. It takes a bit more organization, but there was no wait and didn't cost a lot. Food at hotel is good and we had dinner at restaurants next to our hotel (we stayed 15 mins away from the Dome in a lower costing hotel).
Good luck guys! |
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If you're near MARTA's Peachtree station, there's a food court in there. Marriott Marquis has a direct bridge, if you can find it.
Typical food when I went: Breakfast: at the hotel, CNN Center, or the above-mentioned food court, depending where we stayed (airport-type hotels have breakfast; downtown-type ones typically don't). Lunch: grab something from one of the stands. Dinner: CNN Center. Transit: if you're near the airport, take the hotel's airport shuttle and take MARTA from the airport. If you're downtown, just walk. Unless, of course, you're carrying a lot of stuff in heavy boxes--then you try taking MARTA. Oh, and never trust the FRC schedule. It's an hour or more "optimistic" as to when the elims/awards end. |
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This, however, does not mean you can't have awesome hallway parties at night with other teams. Those are encouraged. |
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You can also get there from the Hilton and Haytt to the foodcourt without going outdoors. hallway parties are fun! |
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You can park in a couple of gravel lots across the street from the Dome. You might also want to check out hotels between the airport and downtown for cheaper rooms and breakfast included. We've stayed at the Double Tree, Hilton, Holiday Inn Express, and Embassy Suites. Be sure to bargain with them for the best deal. Hotels are hurting right now and willing to do this. Staying a bit out of the downtown core works well if you have a charter bus. About a 10-25 minute drive in each morning but really not bad traffic that way in the morning. North of town is a different case-morning rush hour is all headed the same way you will be going-so I'd avoid it. We picnic a couple of days with parents making sandwiches, and we order pizza one day.
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Hi all, THANKS for all this info so far. We will be traveling from Colorado so a road trip would be really long. Do you have tips for getting tools and other supplies (basically all the stuff not in the shipping crate with the robot) to Atlanta? Apologies if this is explained elsewhere (if you could point me there, that'd be great).
BTW, I've compiled several tips from other threads, would it be OK to repost them all here in one place? That way if any details have changed (some of the tips are from 2007) someone could give us an update. Thanks, Emily |
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Hi Emily, 1583 is driving a van to Atlanta with our tools, batts & Cart. Our team is flying so we may have room to help out. The regional staff is going to give your lead mentor my telephone number and email this week.
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Wow, this would be great! I'm sure our mentor will be really happy to talk with you about this.
Thanks, Emily |
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The most difficult part is the batteries. They are NOT allowed in checked baggage, but may be allowed in carry-on baggage. One year, each student on our team was handed a pair of batteries in a box, and they merrily went through airline check-in, TSA security, and onto the plane lugging batteries! Except one of our mentors, the last one to check in, was stopped. On the return flight, our students were lugging huge trophies instead of batteries. :) You could call the airline and ask, but if the TSA nixes the idea, you'll be at the airport with no way to bring your batteries. It seems to me the safest idea would be to ship the batteries directly to your hotel via UPS Ground or something. Make sure you have trustworthy arrangements for shipping the batteries back home. Most of the downtown hotels have a concierge who can assist with this task. So call your hotel to verify what arrangements can be made. Regarding other questions: According to the Google map, the straight distance from the pits to the Georgia Dome is about 1000 ft., which is nowhere near a half mile, more like a quarter mile. The problem can be bottlenecks at the escalators, when crowds of people are all trying to go one way at the same time. The big distances are walking to the venue from downtown hotels--you have to cross the entire Centennial Park and pass Halls A & B of the GWCC, which are equivalent to several blocks. If you stay at the Wyndham Garden Inn, for example, it's about 14 blocks to the pits. If you're thinking about saving money by renting cars and making picnic lunches, especially if you're staying downtown, be aware that you will have to pay for parking at the hotel AND at the venue. And the downtown area has no supermarkets to speak of. If you want to buy food at a supermarket, perhaps your team could rent just one vehicle for running errands, and everyone else can walk. Don't expect the downtown hotels to have either free breakfast or free Internet. Usually they charge per day per computer. Sometimes you can sign up for their "membership" program and get free Internet. Don't expect a free hotel shuttle from a downtown hotel to the airport, either. Only the airport hotels have a free airport shuttle. Our team stayed near the airport one year. The shuttle took us to the airport (1/2 hour), then we took MARTA to the Georgia Dome (another 1/2 hour). This is why our team now prefers to stay downtown. Airport taxis in Atlanta charge per person. Atlanta ain't cheap. As others have mentioned, you can eat in the Peachtree Plaza (which is only open during normal mall hours, so no early breakfast) or in the CNN Center food court. Some places in the CNN Center are open for breakfast, and the food is comparatively cheap. I don't know if breakfast will be available in the GWCC food court this year. The Georgia Dome itself has a greater variety of food than most of the Regional venues I've been to. One other thing for us Westerners. Spring weather in Atlanta is variable. If it's warm and sunny, lunch can be a picnic on the grass with Frisbees and shorts. These are the fun times people like to remember. But things can get really wild--pouring rain, gusty winds, lightning, freezing, hurricane, tornado--and you can get soaked in an instant. So usually teams have no problem walking from the hotels to the GWCC, but it's good to bring along weatherproof outerwear. |
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My point is that virtual walkthrus are possible online and will save you agonizing about where things are while you're in the area. You can also get the "mileages" from these sites to see how much shoeleather it will cost for the various options. If you use google maps, you can get walking directions and they now have a streetview option that shows pictures of things along the routes. |
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Karen - This information is PRICELESS!!!! Thanks so much.
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I like to print out a copy for myself, and copies to share. They are especially useful if you are staying downtown and walking, or if you need to know where to park. They are clear, and show the MARTA stations as well. Be sure to check out the FIRST website as well. Usually they have pit maps and the recommended walking route. The latter is recommended for safety. |
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Just as a test here is a street view from google in the vicinity of the georgia dome.
street view aimed at the parking lot across the street. You can swing the view 360 degrees. go back to map and drop the little orange guy on a street for another view. This is not good for carrying around, but if you've never been there, you can get familiar with how it looks. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/35378 shows the orange guy dragged from the zoom bar over next to the dome http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/35379 click and it deposits the guy and enables a view of the area. I'm still experimenting to see if the other, non-street walking paths can be viewed too. I like those GWCC guides too. I'll be printing a new set to replace the folded/crumpled/grungy pair from last year. |
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I've been volunteering at the Champs for many years. A few years ago I clocked 36 miles on the pedometer during my days at Championships; last year was "only" around 28 miles if I recall correctly. It's a lot of walking.
NEMO (Non-Engineering Mentor Organization) is hosting a session for all adult/college age mentors on Friday, room C207 in the GWCC. It's free, you don't need to belong to NEMO. We'll be discussing any non-technical topics/concerns that you want to talk about like fundraising, recruiting/retaining mentors, teambuilding, team organization, etc. Come and go as you need to between 10am and noon. This is a great way to network and make new FIRST connections! |
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How's the wifi? I assume there is wifi, but it certainly must be pretty laggy considering the number of people in the Dome and pits.
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Bring your decongestant. Today's (Wed, 4/7) pollen count is only 5733...
For reference, anything over 120 is considered "Extremely High" :) http://www.atlantaallergy.com/pollencount.aspx Hopefully by next week they will be back down in the 1000-2000 range. One of the things I sure don't miss about not living in ATL anymore. |
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At the GTR, theres usually a section for cheering and dancing and stuff, which they took out this year. Annoying, cause as my friend said, we're a party team. I was wondering if they had anything like this in Atlanta.
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NOTE to everyone! Please do not stand up in the stands during a match. There are other people in the stands such as scouts and spectators who cannot see when people stand up. The slope in the dome is really shallow so if you stand 20 rows in front of someone, you are still blocking the field. And when someone close to the field stands (don't know why, they are already really close to the field), everyone has to stand behind them and it is still hard to see over/impossible. We were in the back of the stands so we could get power (we are changing this so we can go further down the stands) and in front of the handicapped section. We were annoyed, but we just stood up with our clip boards and scouted the robots we could see, but those in wheel chairs do not have that ability. :o Please don't take the word "stands" literally and stand in the stands. ;) Good luck in Atlanta! |
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Typically when are divisions posted? I'm going nuts waiting to input teams for scouting.
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When reading the essential information for the championships, it said that working on the robots and setting up pits on wednesday was ok, but a couple pages later it said teams couldn't do that.
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This year, they are allowing work on robots, as well as pit setup, wifi encryption, etc on Wednesday night. In past years, they have not. I suspect conflicting documentation is a result of poor year to year updating.
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Bring the opposite bumpers or bumper cover to what you need in a match, a spare battery, and some simple tools so you don't HAVE to walk back to the pits. In the past we've had matches that were relatively close together and we would chose to stay out in the dome and wait for our next match because it didn't make sense to go back to the pits for 15 minutes just to walk out again. Have someone in the stands give you updates via text or phone call so you know what match is on the field. You can't always rely on announcements or the feed to the pits. I've also found that you should leave about 4-5 matches ahead of your scheduled match just to make sure you'll be there in time. I always allotted our team about 10 minutes to get from the pits to the field last year. This time will vary depending on what division you're in, Curie and Archimedes Pits are closest to the Exit of the Pits, but the fields are furthest from the Entrance to the Dome, and the opposite is true for Newton and Galileo. |
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Wait...I wasn't looking....
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RoboMom, I just looked and I didn't see-- Wait--people are discussing divisions on CD! Here's a link at the FIRST site, but they sure hid it well. It's probably not final yet. The link will not take you directly there. |
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