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BigJ 23-03-2010 23:55
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Originally Posted by Jeff Pahl (Post 942238)
The tricky part was for Chris to only let off some of the weight after I told you guys to let the air out...

And Kevin Kolodziej's reaction when you figured out what was going on was priceless :)
The worst part? Kevin coming over to the pit to tell us all the (fake) bad news to stir us into a frantic rage.

Al Skierkiewicz 24-03-2010 07:45
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Originally Posted by FRC4ME (Post 942248)
This is hilarious. Good to know inspectors have a sense of humor, too. The funny thing is, I probably would have been shocked: "I didn't know air weighed so much!" :p
The tough part was Chris Paulik was laughing so hard but trying to hold it in, that the scale was actually moving around a pound or two. I kept telling the team that their robot appeared to be breathing and that they must have added a "foot" of something to the robot and they still didn't get it.
Well guys we got another one!

thefro526 24-03-2010 08:22
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I don't really have any crazy inspection stories but, In 2008 we got our first regional and were informed that all of our drive motors had been wired incorrectly... So, it took us about 2 hours to rewire everything before we could compete.

My favorite inspection moment ever was at the Championship in 2008. We put our robot on the scale and weighed 120.1 lbs. Before the inspector had a chance to say anything I ripped (zip tied on) a 12" x 8" piece of decorative lexan off of the back of the robot... We weighed 120 lbs even. (She then proceeded to tell me that the scales were slightly off and anything within a tenth of a pound was acceptable..)

martin417 24-03-2010 08:26
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Originally Posted by Just a Mom (Post 941908)
Another team put on numbers from the hardware store. They were black and white and really easy to read. You can't have two colors so they had to take the numbers off, cut off all the white and put the numbers back on. At least the numbers were black so they could make them wider with a sharpie. Without the contrast it was hard to see them on the blue but they met the rules.
What rule says that? the only rule about bumper marking is:

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<R15> Teams shall display their team number on the BUMPERS in four
locations at approximately 90-degree intervals around the perimeter of the ROBOT. The numerals must be at least 4 inches high, at least in ¾-inch stroke width and in a contrasting color from its background. Team Numbers must be clearly visible from a distance of not less than 100 feet, so that judges, referees, and announcers can easily identify competing ROBOTS.
If an inspector says something is illegal on your robot, it is your responsibility to confirm it. Ask the inspector (politely and respectfully) to show you the rule in question and explain how you violate that rule. If you don't agree with his or her interpretation, talk to the head inspector. If he agrees with the inspector, go fix your problem.

Peter Matteson 24-03-2010 08:38
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Originally Posted by martin417 (Post 942392)
What rule says that? the only rule about bumper marking is:



If an inspector says something is illegal on your robot, it is your responsibility to confirm it. Ask the inspector (politely and respectfully) to show you the rule in question and explain how you violate that rule. If you don't agree with his or her interpretation, talk to the head inspector. If he agrees with the inspector, go fix your problem.
The inspector training material and the actual rules don't always match up 100%. Some of these issues stem from the training material being slightly out of date or different because of when it was written. If the inspector is not fully involved with a team build they may not realize some of these differences, but the published rules are the governing document per inspector training.

In the case of the number color issue though I believe that stemmed from a Q&A that most people didn't see.

martin417 24-03-2010 08:47
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Originally Posted by Peter Matteson (Post 942395)
The inspector training material and the actual rules don't always match up 100%. Some of these issues stem from the training material being slightly out of date or different because of when it was written. If the inspector is not fully involved with a team build they may not realize some of these differences, but the published rules are the governing document per inspector training.

In the case of the number color issue though I believe that stemmed from a Q&A that most people didn't see.
I looked up the Q&A you mentioned, and it specifically allows the use of two colors (as long as the main color meets the size requirements). Again, all teams should be prepared to defend their position with documentation.

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Rule <R15> requires that the body of the number (the part that is ≥4 inches tall and with ≥3/4 inch stroke width) be of "a" (single) contrasting color. Adding small borders of a highly contrasting color around the external perimeter of the number for the purposes of increasing the contrast and clarity of the number would not violate the rule, as long as the addition of the contrasting border does not reduce the size or stroke width of the body of the number.

Kims Robot 24-03-2010 09:12
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I think my favorite was when I ran inspections at Championships in 2000. We sat down in our volunteers meeting at the end of the day Thursday to review everything and what needed to be done for tomorrow.
Eric from FIRST to me: "How are Inspections going?"
Me: "Good, we are done."
Eric from FIRST: "How many robots are left to finish inspecting?"
Me: "None"
Eric from FIRST: "Oh, how many are left for the morning?"
Me: "None, they are all inspected!"
Eric from FIRST *Baffled Look on his Face*
They had never finished ALL of the inspections on Thursday before!!

Second Favorite - I was an inspector at the Long Island Regional in 2001 and there was this crazy orange & black rookie team from Rochester NY that had THREE different robot configurations, they came up to do weight and size, and I had to figure out how to scribble all this on the inspection sheet. They put the last one in the box, and it was out by like 6 inches! Their crazy lead mentor :) tried kicking it and shoving it and pushing the box. I laughed and suggested they had time to go back and fix it. I think they came back 6 more times (made me laugh every time) before either giving up on it or just barely making it (Jason remind me!). At Championships they saw me walking by and wanted to grab me for a photo saying "I was their nicest robot inspector ever" or something like that. I still need to dig out a copy of that photo :)

Daniel_LaFleur 24-03-2010 09:32
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At GSR this year we were told by the inspector that we needed to have a sticker with our team name on it. He was misinterpreting <R14>, but to appease him (and to have a little fun) we took a band-aid from our first aid kit, stuck it on the robot, and wrote "Plan B" (our team name) on it.

... we passed inspection :D

JesseK 24-03-2010 09:39
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No really 'crazy' stories here, though I can relate to Al's anecdote about using all 12-gauge wire just because we have a ton of it.

And we've definitely helped several teams put together their box on wheels. I originally thought someone was talking about 116's rookie year and their first trip to the Championships in Orlando. Here Dave recounts tales of doing just that (but for different reasons) and how a team helped them put it together.

2007, we were 0.1lbs under the limit. The inspector at VCU kept messing with us by tapping the robot, making it go over the limit by 0.1lbs.

In general in FTC, zipties and loose cords fail the sizing rules for teams just as much as teams who have frame members beyond 18". It's more of a "doh!" moment though.

DC Regional, 2010. The lead inspector told us his interpretation of the intent of the digitization of the BoM, which was so that FIRST could create statistics based upon usage and create next year's KOP accordingly. So as we were off to create an Excel file that would meet those implied needs, he tells us 'Just scan your paper copy in. They didn't specify what digital format!'

sashboy226 24-03-2010 10:21
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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 941790)
There were a number of teams at Arizona that could have passed weight with both battery and bumpers aboard. :D
I'm pretty sure we can this year. Our robot only weighs about 83 pounds without them.

Alan Anderson 24-03-2010 11:05
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Originally Posted by Peter Matteson (Post 942395)
In the case of the number color issue though I believe that stemmed from a Q&A that most people didn't see.
The words "a contrasting color" are in the rule. Q&A referenced that rule and used the phrase "a single contrasting color", leading to the inspectors' interpretation that having a border of another color did not satisfy the rules.

A later Q&A made contrasting borders around the numbers okay.

Peter Matteson 24-03-2010 11:16
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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 942464)
The words "a contrasting color" are in the rule. Q&A referenced that rule and used the phrase "a single contrasting color", leading to the inspectors' interpretation that having a border of another color did not satisfy the rules.

A later Q&A made contrasting borders around the numbers okay.
Thanks for finding that. I didn't have time to read through and see where that one came from even though I knew it had been clarified to allow the contrast.

Bochek 24-03-2010 11:56
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Originally Posted by sashboy226 (Post 942437)
I'm pretty sure we can this year. Our robot only weighs about 83 pounds without them.
70lbs with both.

EricH 24-03-2010 11:58
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Originally Posted by Bochek (Post 942502)
70lbs with both.
You seriously need to add functionality... As long as you can do it in allowed build periods, of course!

Andrew Schreiber 24-03-2010 12:19
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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 942503)
You seriously need to add functionality... As long as you can do it in allowed build periods, of course!
Not always. If the robot meets their goals why should they add functionality? I would prefer not to do something than to sacrifice doing something I already do. Now, perhaps improve functionality... You guys have a lot of weight to play with, why not make sure your kicker works better or your ball manipulator works great?


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