Re: Michigan State Championships
 

I am very excited to see what everyone has to bring to State. :D

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Thanks, that means a lot coming from 67 - we've been in awe of the quality product/team that you've produced year after year. We are extremely excited for states after the success we experienced in W. MI.

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I'm going to make a prediction:

469 will seed in the top 3, and maybe #1 overall.

People are saying that they can't seed well because they need a good scoring partner. Well, it's the Michigan State Championships - what are the odds that they'll play a match without a good scorer? One match without a good scorer, maybe - but that will be it.

Given good partners in all of their matches, they'll rack up the big scores and seed at or near the top.

Re: Michigan State Championships
 

States is one week away!

As for predicting anything, its very hard to do so because basically all the teams going are really good and are worthy of being in elims.

I really think Michigan State might be deeper then Atlanta this year because Michigan teams are so good this year and the talent gets so spread out in Atlanta. Honestly, what are the chances that 67, 217, 469, 1918, and 33 (the top five teams in the state) get in the same division at nationals. Zero!

To compaire to last year the Michigan Champions were 67, 217, and 65 where at Atlanta the winners were 67, 111, and 971. These Alliances are pretty evenly matched and watching them compete against each other would be something to watch.

Basically, what I'm saying is that the Michigan State Championships is going to be absolutly amazing this year! (I'm skiping a trip to Florida with my family to go, thats how amazing its going to be!:p )

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It's possible to stop 469. Team 573 did it at Troy Athens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA0FSXlvf_Q

All it takes is one robot to keep them out of the tunnel. After this match, many other teams started doing the same thing and even though it didn't always work, it kept their score low. Every team in the elimination rounds did this as well, but 217 was good enough to still win. I expect almost every team to do this next weekend. It's going to be very interesting.

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I agree with the original prediction of teams in the finals:1,27,33,51,67,70,201,217,245,469,494,503,57 3,830,910,1243,1918,2337,2619,2645,etc...

but we will also get randomly seeded rookie teams and weird picking teams that don't make sense due usual luck of the draw, but also the messed up seeding system this year.

I think we will also see heavy defense and fights for ball control in the scoring zones because robots in elims will be good enough to not only play defense, but clear and maybe score balls from their far zone.

469 will seed first, but who knows from there. It's gonna be AWESOME, much better than championship. The winning alliance at the michigan state championship could easily take any alliance from the championship in ATL.

Also as a side note: when we(830) play 469 we will play 6v0. I don't see any reason not to. I even propose that if there is match with some heavy weights in it we should go for a 12 ball loop with 469, get all the balls at that side and rack up the highest score for the season at the toughest regional there is.

Good luck to all, see you on Weds!

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The teams that did this made a mistake, unless they had the potential to jump 469 in the rankings like 33 did.

Help 469? You get 25 seeding points or so.

Stop them with, say, a 6-5 match? (Optimistic) You get 21. If everything goes your way and your plan does not fail, which is certainly possible.

Pretty simple, really. 469 will seed #1 because other teams want to seed high too.

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Either I was at the wrong location, or they gave the big trophy to the wrong alliance!?

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Chris is me: Who said somebody would receive 25 seeding points? Nobody knows if a team is going to score enough balls on themselves to give them 25 points. It's possible, but still difficult. 573 and the alliance that beat them thought about scoring for them, but we decided that we could beat them, and we gained 22 points out of it. Not only that, but we also gained the respect of all the other teams that were trying to do what we did(not to mention that we had one robot down for the entire match and another down for half the match).

Jack Jones: It was a qualifying match. 573 didn't face 469 in the bracket.

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IOC - I was at the right location, but at the wrong time. :rolleyes:

But you said you "stopped" 469, when you actually stopped the alliance of them and the 99th and 77th FiM ranked teams. No disrespect intended; you handed them loss. But I'll be impressed when someone stops both them and any one of a number of good goal scorers.

On the other hand, to all those goal scorers soon to be at the STATES: Please ignore what I just pointed out and recall that we beat the Chickens on pre-penality points - and that it wasn't we who DOGMAed.;)

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The only problem with states is to many good teams get left out. Maybe they should go to a 10 alliance final. Or maybe... You start qualifiers early thursday, it is states and you should be ready to go, and at the end of friday you take the top 20 and pick alliances. Now you go 2 out of three all day saturday. You just play till there is a winner. The four remaining bots are back-ups. If a bot breaks they can fix it and move to the bottom of back-up list.

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-- State Eliminations
Here's an idea. 12 alliances. Alliance selection proceeds normally, 1->12, then 12->1

In the "First Round," the top 4 alliances get a bye. matches are as follows:
5 v 12, 6 v 11, 7 v 10, 8 v 9
Winners proceed to the Quarterfinals

There are now 8 alliances left, and eliminations proceed normally.
1 v (8 or 9), 2 v (7 or 10), 3 v (6 or 11), 4 v (5 or 12)

I think you get the picture. It allows more alliances a chance to make it to the final, with each robot still probably deserving it's spot in the elimination rounds. And it only adds 4 more matches to the schedule.

--Stopping 469
So, it was shown it is possible. The 573 match, 217's first match and Finals Match 1 showed that it can be done. Can we just say that it's hard, and that we'll see who can do it at States?

--Here's a crazy prediction
Top four at states will be the following (in order of team # because I'm unsure of who will be where):
33
67
217
910

Re: Michigan State Championships
 

I like your top 4 (in any order ;)) However, I think you forgot one... 469?

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This was done at the 2006 Greater Toronto Regional. That year the event had 75 teams. The field probably wasn't strong enough to support those extra 12 teams being in the elimination rounds, but that wouldn't be a problem in Michigan. (In 2004 in Toronto, the event had 16 alliances making the eliminations. That was way too many teams and resulted in some very weak alliances.)

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I called it crazy, right? I personally think they'll be defended better at MSC than any district they've been to or at nationals. Though I could be wrong. Some will also note a lack of 1718 or 1918, but I haven't watch them play at all, unfortunately.

Oh? Did they have to get specific permission from FIRST HQ? I don't see why it couldn't be implemented at MSC. And it would certainly make sense, if not by # of teams, by the depth of the field.