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Ahh...good point! I completely forgot about the 5pt bonus for winning.

I was hoping to see 217 v. 469...

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o.0

Can't see I agree with the incursion penalty, but that would have been such a stunning upset....

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I agree with Chris. The rule update would appear to nullify that instance in which they recieved a penalty. I didn't think that they continued game play.

Alas, In the end the final say rests with our lovely officials.

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I could pull up video of an identical situation happening to 2791 at WPI in a few matches, where a defender caused my team to reorient, then we fell back over a ball and got hung up on it for 5 or so seconds, just like 33. Oh well, it didn't change the outcome of the event.

Very true.

Congrats 469, 217, and 1188!

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Anyone notice there not being a penalty called on 1188, whose kicker was off of the robot the whole match?

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I noticed that too. I was entirely shocked that that wasn't called. IIRC, any kind of penalty could have decided that particular match. If anyone knows why they weren't penalized for it, I'd be interested in hearing the explanation.

I've noticed a lot of penalties that haven't been called this season (incredibly obvious penalties, too), mostly on bumpers and frame perimeters. However, as much as I may not like the ref's calls, I have to accept that they have an incredibly hard job as it is, and sometimes miss things.

Congratulations to 469, 217, and 1188!

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Does anyone remember that team that flipped over the ENTIRE blue alliance in the eliminations? If so do you think that was an acceptable strategy?

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That was 2137. It was a acceptable strategy and within the rules. It was not really a gracious profecional stratigy. However, when your in elims you do what you have to to win. The other team all happened to have less stable robots and 2137 took advantage of this. I can't begrudge them this. If you were in 2137s position would you have done this? Personally, I think they probably would have won anyway, and I would hate to be the team that ends their compitition on their side or back. Its a bummer but a part of the game and to be fair, all teams had the ability to build self righting devices for their robot during build season. I predict that at states there will be more of this attemped as lesser teams find that this is a very effective way to stop better teams from scoring (Most teams can't right themselves).

my 2 cents

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Congratulations to 469, 217, and 1188! Also to the finalists! It was great competing with you at Troy. Great job to you all! States is going to be wild!

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i dont know what anyone else thinks, but personally, i think the first match of the eliminations #2 seed vs #7, i was very impressed the way #7 was able to play and push a tie out of it going up agenst 33 and 910. what impressed me the most about that match is how good 2832 was able to do overall making it to the #7 seed from 40th place. that one match i think was by far the best one i have seen played all year.

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states is going to be nuts from all the teams who will be changing there bots to better themself and for all the teams that will being all they can do slow down HOT, Chickens, and waiting for a team to totally shutdown 469 because if you watched the troy regional alot of teams made it really hard for them and i think there are a few teams that can and just might but i wanna say good luck to all the teams competing and i will be there to see all the great michigan teams compete :)

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Congratulations to teams 469, 217, and 1188 on the win! Congratulations to the finalists 33, 910, and 288 I went to Athens just in time to see eliminations, and to see 469 in action. There were some amazing robots there, and some intense matches, especially the first final match! State Championships are going to be incredible with so many powerful teams competing. I can't wait!

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I have the finals matches posted on our team's youtube channel if anyone is interested. I will also be uploading the triple flip match and also the Guerilla flip by 2612.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Crevolution2851

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That was a terrific, you guys put up one heck of a fight 10-10 is nothing to scoff at. It was a great match. My personal favorite match this year, however, besides that one and the first final match was qual #37. In this match 33 took on 3302, 226, and 288 and tied basically with 1.5 robots playing because one didn't show up and the other fliped over early in the match. It was pretty epic. Plus everyone got 30 seeding points out of the deal:D .

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johnr (and anyone else who thinks this way),

I am sorry if you think this is just wrong (or unamarican), but please try to look at it from a broader perspective. Before I get into it, I want to make it perfectly clear that I do not like the seeding system this year ... not one bit. I love the game, but the GDC got the seeding system wrong. That is neither here nor there as these are the rules we must play by.

O.K., here goes. This year, playing to win has a slightly different meaning during the seeding rounds, because, quite frankly, winning an individual match means nothing to your overall seeding. Our students, mentors, and teachers try to achieve excellence in everything we do and that doesn't stop with strategy. At Troy the "random match algorithm" put 217 against 469 twice. The first match we did everything possible to win an "elimination round style" match. The result: a 5 - 5 tie. It was the third (or forth) match of the weekend for us so this was the right play as we had no idea how the seedings would play out. Later on Friday we were at like 15th or 16th when we met up against 469 again. By this time it was clear we were not going to catch 33 or 469, but we were dangerously close to not making the top 8. It took about 3 minutes to do the math to conclude that doing the 6 v. 0 was the only logical choice to help boost us into the top 8. Again, given the rules this year, this is a perfectly legitimate strategy. This manuever boosted us at #6 after Friday was over. Our mind set was simple: we wanted to control our own destiny to have the best chance to be in the finals on Saturday afternoon.

If you do not like that strategy, then don't blame us, blame the GDC. By the way, 469 had no less than 5 other teams try the 6 v. 0 against them so why was our match the only one that was called out?

I wonder how many of you that think the 6 v. 0 strategy is wrong also think that declining during eliminations are wrong ...

Excuse me for being a little irritated with this subject, but I am tired of being accused of cheating / doing something wrong / gaming the system when we are simply playing by the rules we are given. I guess I must just be un G.P.