Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

Yes - we had a good run but 1714, 2062 and 3038 were a great alliance. One thing I thought was pretty funny, though: in qualifying we always scored 1 or 2 balls from the third zone. Twice we came within a few inches of scoring the third ball. In the eliminations, both of our partners were tall bots that had autonomous modes that moved in our path. We would bounce the first ball off of 2518 and the second off of 2177. Didn't score a single ball in automous in the eliminations. Not much you can do at that point but have a good laugh about it. Overall, it was a good run - 2177 and 2518 were great partners that took us all the way to the finals.

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

This list doesn't seem to include elimination matches...

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

Correct. This is the full list of teams who went undefeated at a regional, but the record shown is just for qualifying. Our database only tracks record by qualifying matches, but I manually pulled out the teams who went undefeated in qualifying and then went on to lose an elimination match.

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

While the records show the qualification records only, it does not include teams that were undefeated during qualifying and then lost during the eliminations.

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

What an amazing coincidence that EVERY ONE of those undefeated teams was also regional winner! :eek:

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

He manually took out teams that were undefeated in quals but did not win the regional or lost an elims match on the way to a regional win.

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

It was a joke. Undefeated = Winner. OK, so I'm no comedian.

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

I thought you were serious before I read that the undefeated qualification match teams were taken out, if they lost during elimination matches.

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

Strangely, this year it is possible (but highly unlikely) to win all your matches but not win the regional, if you get many red cards, fail to get in the top 8, and then are not selected by an alliance captain.

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

Actually, in FIRST, undefeated == winner.

If you never lose a match, and you have to lose two matches to be out of the eliminations, then if you are undefeated and the event is over, you have won the event.

Barring incidents like eyu100 suggests (which, BTW, have yet to happen--after about the second red card, most teams would be seriously thinking about switching out whoever was responsible, if they hadn't already done so), the above holds.

However, winner != undefeated. Every team that won that isn't on the list is proof that that last statement is true.

Also note that, while I won't tell you this officially or at an event, by competing in the competition, even if you don't win anything, you win just as much as by winning the event. Remember, I won't tell you this. I prefer to let you find out for yourself.

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

Technically, a team could go undefeated in qualifications and not make eliminations. Winning every match 1-0 would result in seeding very low.

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

Depending on your definition of undefeated, if you're counting every team that doesn't have a loss as undefeated, you could also go with 0-0 tie matches, which give you even less points.

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

Depends on the event.
1 point from your penalized score + 5 points for winning = 6 points/match

Randomly grabbing a few regionals:

Utah (10 matches), 22nd
North Carolina, (9 matches), 43rd
WPI (12 matches), 22nd
L.A. (10 matches), 56th

At Utah or WPI, you'd seed pretty well--well enough to be noticed, quite probably, and almost certainly a backup. At NC or L.A., you'd be pretty much out.

But if a team is consistently winning 1-0, you'd suspect that they 1) had the easiest schedule in the world and 2) might be fixing matches. In all practicality, if your best win is 1-0, the next halfway decent team to come along is going to kick your butt pretty hard, making you a 1-loss team.

Technicality versus practicality...

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

You can't win if you dont make Elims. You can go undefeated and not make elims in this seeding system (0-0 ties are particularly damaging). I don't mean to pick on Israel (I know about the comm problems :( ), but consider:

Team 2215 at IS
Record 2-0-2 (one match was a surrogate)
Ranked 37th of 55
Did not make Elims

It didn't take me long to find an example in IS. I just went to TBA and clicked on winners of matches (4th try). There are probably more examples there. We should add them to the list. For better or worse they will finish the season undefeated in 4 matches.

Re: Undefeated Teams at Regional Events
 

At WPI, with only 29 teams, I wouldn't consider seeding 22nd as seeding pretty well. Given that only 5 teams don't make finals though, you probably would still get picked.