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good luck to all teams! |
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[quote=waialua359;951432]Mark told us a little fib then.:p
He said Curie. That's 4 for 4 this season, we've had him as an MC! Archimedes just got better!![/QUOTE My info could be wrong too... |
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So wish I could be there to watch and root for all the teams especially 1902.
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Similar to what I did in previous years, I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (all 144 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.
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Joe Ross, what order are those teams in? All I know is that it goes from generally higher seed to generally lower, but there are discrepancies. 2619 looks like it's in worse shape than 910, yet it is higher on the list.
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I hope this year goes like 2008 with the 16,67 that made it to Einstein!!!
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Thanks Joe, that really puts things into perspective. Having not played outside of Michigan since 2006 it is really hard to gauge teams from other areas.
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Here is a little of what team 20 can do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSWy6OdkAEc Good luck! See you in Atlanta! |
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I know we've got some monster teams on Newton (and I say that with nothing but admiration), but we hope to hold our own against the big boys and really strut our stuff. :D |
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Haha, 1718 and 1551, I assure you, people who you want noticing, have noticed. The teams at the top do their pre-scouting thoroughly.
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Only a few more days till i get to see her again! This is sad you would think I was talking about a chick... no wonder me gf gets jealous. XD can't wait to see some of the best compete at Nats.!
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1718 and 1551, I feel your pain! We, too, think we have a fine machine this year and hope to get some attention in Atlanta. We did well in CT, and had we not had strange mishaps in two matches (once lost communication with the field, once had our kicker get stuck out, both now corrected) could well have been an alliance captain. We have a reliable autonomous mode (scoring 1-2 balls per match), scored 3-5 balls in teleop and can supply balls from midfield easily, and hung successfully (and quickly) in every attempt. We're looking forward to playing again now that our minor kinks have been worked out!
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In all seriousness, its using resources like thebluealliance.net, youtube, CD, etc. to see what other teams can do, what they're good at, how they're successful, how to work with them, how to beat them, you get the point. The purpose is to get a thorough idea of what you'll be seeing at the championship, mostly in your division, but some elsewhere in the event Einstein is in the cards for u. The more u see the and the better u scout, the more prepared u will be and the less surprised u will be. Some say u need luck to reach Einstein. I say "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." your robot and your scouting are your preparation, and u have earned yourself and opportunity in Atlanta, who's to say u cant get lucky? It all depends on the quality of your preparation, and how u respond to opportunity. |
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I do that for fun, not because my team tells me to do it.
However, I do know the extreme importance of scouting. It's all you do on 67, if you're not in the pits. We have up to six people watching every robot on the field, during every match. Even in our own matches, we still have scouting groups keep track of all the other robots, even if they're very distracted by what our robot is doing. We also scout elimination matches, in order to know how an alliance works together and what we must do to defeat them. I agree that pre-scouting is a good way to get a feel for a division, but it is not possible to come up with a decent alliance selection list just by watching demo videos and video from other tournaments. |
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There has been quite a bit of talk about 125 from teams that were not in boston. With much respect to the hard work of team 125: to me, Their robot seemed to be a great concept but failed to perform consistently. I was watching when a previously posted video of them on the practice field was being filmed and the whole team would get excited when it worked. With a strong alliance 125 could provide a huge boost but if put on the weaker alliance it can not tip the scales. In Atlanta I expect to see some big big wins and about as many disappointing losses. I hope that their modifications make the more consistent and more like team 496 which approached attempted to solve the game problem in the same way as 125 and produced some serious results. This being said, Team 1922 is looking forward to working with 125 in Atlanta because we think with a strong midfield robot [Like us ;)] starting in the defensive end and moving up to mid field we could have a phenomenal match assuming we had a decent robot in the offensive herding in 125s returns into the goal.
Does anyone else think that team 20 is being overlooked. They are probably the most accurate robot I saw at BAE or Boston and are very maneuverable. With their improved kicker i expect to see massive results from them in ATL. |
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I don't think anyone will be overlooking Team 20 now...
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Oh, don't misunderstand -- for better or worse, I'm certain that every team will have a very good idea of how good everyone's robot is going in to alliance selection.
At FLR, we had every intention of picking 1559 as our 'third' bot (after Thunderchickens) on Saturday morning, as they were very very good and well-suited to compliment our robot's play strategy... but in their last few qualifying matches they started having communication glitches with the field, and in the end we felt as if we just couldn't risk that happening in the tournament. If our team -- with a whopping 18 people -- do at least that level of scouting so that you are aware not just of how well a robot has done, but how it is currently doing, I'm most certain that other teams are doing exactly the same thing. |
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We're pretty good at clearing the middle zone, and our driver is amazing :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2jZz0r0wbk I might be biased tho. |
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I have to mirror what everyone has been saying about the robots on Newton. Finals are going to be a lot of fun looking at the teams that are on this division. As for the scouting it always surprises me how much video helps in targeting robots that you would otherwise have missed until you get to Atlanta. Numbers and statistics always help in organizing a list of bots you want to scout, but videos are so much more exciting to see.
So, in the same manner I will place a video of some highlights of our robot this year. Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/user/cevTV399.../0/o8Y9k2auxl8 |
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well... since everyone else is posting videos... ive posted these before... but i will post them again :)
hanging: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHmRrZ9asEo -it hangs in a little less than ten seconds once we clamp (its faster in real life than it is in this practice kicking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPYW0VbjSRM -it kicks about 30 feet at the moment, but we are contemplating changing the springs to make it kick a little farther. and both of these videos are from before ship... i dont have any high quality videos of our robot separately... but there is the matches from palmetto that we won :D http://www.clemson.edu/tlt/stream/frc/video.html and bear in mind that we built the robot mainly for defense, but we are a competent offensive robot as well. not the best, but at least competitive scoring |
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Vid of robots outside of competition is nice, but what I have noticed is that sometimes a robot works really well in the vid, but when it gets to competition being knocked around and having other robots get in the way, they don't seam to be as effective. I love to see what other teams have done with their bot on vids, but if it's not a competition vid, I take it with a grain of salt for efficiency. Just because it might work great in competition or it might not work at all.
Also 1551 I know you guys will do well, winning FLR is no small feat, lots of talent go to FLR. But I have to admit I was screaming bloody murder at my desk when I saw you guys knocked my Alumi (145) out of the number 1 seed =P. But you guys have one heck of a hanger and a great bot all the way around. |
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Here are some vids of our robots capabilities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZC_RMekDaM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5ZzeRPiwOs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QeLfLC8Pok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hgKnrVnlg4 Looking for robots to "dance" with at the championships! |
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The announcer had said the previous match that 145 was definitely the #1 seed because nobody in the last match was close enough to them to take it away. 25 QPs looked awfully far away, but when you win a game 10-8... :D 145 has a great 'bot, and have a lot to be proud of with their FLR performance. |
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I'm rather willing to bet that we have all made improvements...
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Here is a video of us at wpi. I see where you are coming from because it is really hard to get competition video this year. This is just from quarters on I believe. We improved greatly from Manchester to wpi with the suction cups and now have improved our ball magnet, kicker, and added autonomous. Hope this helps! As a fellow scout I look for all the video I can get, so anyone who posts any video it will be appreciated :) good luck all and see ya soon! |
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Is Wednesday night going to be as busy for everyone else as it will be for us? (In terms of making improvements/additions to the robots.)
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We can't wait to see the changes everyone is working on; maybe we'll even see some "new" robots out there! Less than two days left to go! |
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Here is a new video of us competing at the colorado and florida regionals. =)
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I was looking at all the standings and Newton jumped out at me with 11 teams not getting scores registered for three matches. I can understand a couple not getting a third match in yesterday, but 11. So this means alot of red cards and a couple of teams not getting to the field. Two teams didn't play any matches. Does anyone know if the teams just didn't make it to Atlanta or are they having trouble with inspections? Hope they are up and running today.
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So who got a suspension? It must have been in Match 45 - 1727/93/2102. And how do you get 1 hanging point in the standings (2102)?
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I just watched match 45 and I did not see any robots hanging in that match so I am not sure. Also on a side note I have match videos (not cut to individual) that I will hopefully upload tonight but the internet connection I have is not the best so It should be up by like next Tuesday.
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I'm glad to see 294 tearing it up!
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May somebody please post the alliances? I'm having trouble deciphering the elimination bracket numbers.
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294 67 177
1718 16 343 1592 910 706 2137 971 525 2757 668 20 1922 1073 102 1868 337 1902 308 2619 399 |
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Does this mean that 177 might make Einstein for their 5th year in a row?? Wow
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Semifinal 2, match 4: Did anybody else find it odd that 343 tried to hang so early? I just found it strange that they would take themselves out of play effectively so early; especially considering how close the last three matches were. At the end when it was revealed that they got a penalty and a yellow card for overextention it made it even more perplexing. They won, so I guess it really doesn't matter. I was just curious.
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I was a GREAT call by their driving team and coach to hook up to the tower to not incur more penalties than the one they did. Smart move! David GA for Newton |
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and thanks so much to 1718 and 16. i was really really hoping that we would get picked by yall when i saw that you had paired up. it was a fun run, and we gave them a run for their money in the finals! |
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Thanks to all the members on 343 and 16. As a group we complemented eachother's abilities extremely well, and we took the (soon-to-be) world champions to a rubber match, as well as setting the Newton Scoring record.
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Newton turned out to be pretty exciting. We were the only division to see 3 final matches and we also had the high score of 25 (I think) for the entire set of elimination rounds. Congratulations to Newton Division and World Champion Teams 294, 67, and 177! You are gracious competitors and winners (and providers of cooling spray). Thank you to our AMAZING alliance partners 1718 and 343! It was a great set of matches and thank you for helping us look good in front of the Baxter CEO.
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I forgot to add; thanks to 16 and 343. Bomb Squad - you guys are great strategists and it was fun pairing up with you. Our robots really seemed to compliment each other. Metal in Motion - we couldn't have asked any more of you. You guys played some great defense at the end there and you played smart. Plus your hangs were keys to our getting through the semifinals - Thanks!
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Team 668 had a blast again at the Championships. Newton was a great division with a lot of amazing teams.
First off, I'm extremely pleased at how well the whole event went. Our robot was not as great as we wanted it to be after SD and SVR, so we made one major change to our robot in the weeks between SVR and the Championships that we think made us a much better bot. Just getting into the playoffs and making it to the semis was great. Our alliance partners, 2757 and 20 were amazing. 2757 played outstanding defense on two bots in the quarters and 20 kept feeding us balls in the offensive zone to score. 2137, 971, and 525, you guys made those quarterfinal matches intense and it was great playing with you. 294, 67, and 177 you guys were amazing out there and you truly deserved to win it all. One more thing I'd like to add: being in Qual 87 was a whole lot of fun. Playing with 67 and 971 (right after a match against them, too) was great and it was up against some great teams in 910, 525, and 932. That was one of the best matches we've played in this season. |
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From a ref's viewpoint, Newton was a GREAT field! It is never fun to call a penalty, especially one for a small mistake or a momentary lapse in judgement (love you HOT! ::safety:: ) but all of you handled everything like the professionals you are. Thanks to all of you and too bad they don't let both finalist teams go to Einstein.....We may have gotten to see another Newton finals!
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I was watching newton from noon onward via webcast. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time, and couldn't have asked for a better show! Congratulations to all who competed, especially 67, 294, and 177 for their amazing victory. Great show, and hopefully next year we'll be able to make it down to St. Louis to face off with all you amazing teams! |
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Wow, that was a fun ride. A big thanks to 1718 and 16 for being great partners, helping us when we needed it, and keeping our spirits up. Putting up 34 pre-penatly points was awesome.
Also a big congratulations to the national champs that this talent packed division produced. 294, 67, and 177 were great to play against and very hard to beat as the other division champs also found out. It was also fun to play a little D against HOT. The 1922, 1073, 102 alliance was tough to beat too. Two ties and having to run back to back to back was crazy! Again, thanks to "Pi Bombs in Motion" for the wild ride. Let's do it again next year in St. Louis! Edit: Scoring 34 takes it's toll on the human players. |
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We are in the house!!! Turn the volume up for this one.
Newton Q87 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54KG9...eature=channel That was a great match. The video doesn't do it justice. Anybody have additional footage? Roy |
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Will there be video on the blue alliance soon?
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Who is the announcer on the right? He Emceed in Manchester and Boston and did a great job. My personal favorite. (The guy on the left was pretty good too)
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Here are my pictures from the Newton Division at CMP.
http://www.bmf.com/frc%20971/2010%20CMP/ Enjoy the smiling faces. Roy |
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