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musicspeaks 10-04-2010 12:46

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
very excited :)
good luck to all teams!

Akash Rastogi 10-04-2010 14:03

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
67 + 125 = win?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=85127

Cory 10-04-2010 14:44

Re: Newton MC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 951432)
Mark told us a little fib then.:p
He said Curie.
That's 4 for 4 this season, we've had him as an MC!
Archimedes just got better!!

He just switched a few days ago.

davidfv 10-04-2010 17:03

Re: Newton MC
 
[quote=waialua359;951432]Mark told us a little fib then.:p
He said Curie.
That's 4 for 4 this season, we've had him as an MC!
Archimedes just got better!![/QUOTE

My info could be wrong too...

Barry Bonzack 11-04-2010 02:59

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 950350)
Me personally, since I am from Florida, im kinda hoping they allow Barry Bonzack(sorry if name is spelled wrong) to be ours lol

I certainly appreciate the props, and glad to hear when people enjoy my announcing. I will be volunteering for FTC Wednesday-Saturday morning, I'm hoping to catch the Newton eliminations. I'd be honored to announce at the Championship Event someday, FTC or FRC, but the ones that currently do it are the best announcers and emcees FIRST has to offer. Chiniqua, Mark, Blair, Don, Andy, So on and so forth do a great job every year, no matter which one of them you get, you're in for a fun event.

Doug Leppard 11-04-2010 14:27

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
So wish I could be there to watch and root for all the teams especially 1902.

Joe Ross 11-04-2010 14:32

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Similar to what I did in previous years, I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (all 144 matches, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's average opr for their contribution to a match. I calculated the standings for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

Code:

Team        Avg Rnk        Med Rnk        Mod Rnk        SD Rnk        Min Rnk        Max Rnk        #1 seed        Top 8        Avg SS        Med SS        Stdv SS        Min SS        Max SS
67        1.08        1        1        0.31        1        3        186        200        262.395        264        15.92        215        295
971        3.865        3        2        2.74        1        21        4        187        213.82        215.5        21.28        154        272
1718        3.78        3        2        2.52        1        20        6        192        213.31        214        21.19        150        262
525        6.355        5        4        4.63        1        28        1        158        194.85        196        22.56        133        252
1592        6.02        5        4        3.75        1        21        3        161        195.685        195        20.68        144        251
2619        13.9        11        8        8.84        2        51        0        60        165.165        167        23.51        97        225
910        13.265        12        11        7.80        2        39        0        56        167.045        167.5        21.86        112        232
16        13.725        12        8        7.75        2        44        0        61        165.42        165        22.15        111        224
1208        14.19        12        6        9.47        2        49        0        69        165.68        166        25.46        96        218
842        12.13        10        7        7.78        2        49        0        80        171.045        171        22.84        101        219
1551        12.27        10        10        7.42        2        38        0        62        170.62        172        23.18        117        246
1902        11.89        10        6        7.92        2        42        0        87        172.125        174        22.98        114        231
2771        22.74        20        24        12.60        3        65        0        19        143.79        144        24.95        76        210
177        22.695        20        15        11.32        3        60        0        12        143.585        145        22.55        87        200
308        23.47        23        24        12.00        5        73        0        17        142.775        142        24.00        75        199
226        23.945        22        18        11.89        3        57        0        13        141.57        142        23.83        94        207
294        21.89        19        14        12.19        5        70        0        21        146.135        146.5        24.48        70        198
1073        22.16        20        10        11.95        3        57        0        18        145.65        147        24.38        92        210
558        23.67        21.5        12        12.46        5        60        0        13        142.37        140        25.14        81        207
868        22.59        20        16        12.53        3        73        0        20        144.605        145        25.38        65        216
1922        24        22        22        13.32        4        74        0        18        142.145        141        25.90        67        203
2137        23.17        21        29        13.03        4        69        0        20        143.025        144        25.51        68        205
706        37.305        36        34        14.84        5        75        0        3        118.105        117.5        24.27        58        201
2415        35.535        34        28        15.12        8        80        0        2        120.67        122        24.05        54        183
343        37.31        37        32        15.05        8        73        0        1        117.75        117.5        24.03        60        176
3123        36.465        36        36        15.88        7        74        0        1        118.995        119        25.69        59        177
281        36.36        34.5        31        15.10        7        75        0        3        119.46        119.5        24.64        51        188
2377        37.175        37        42        15.27        7        73        0        3        117.84        116        24.86        64        180
1727        36.955        35        25        16.07        6        78        0        2        119.115        120        26.03        49        188
1868        36.58        37        40        14.68        6        72        0        1        119.27        117.5        23.22        66        190
93        35.78        34        30        16.12        4        82        0        3        120.565        121        25.81        52        208
1296        37.37        35        23        16.06        8        80        0        2        117.855        119        25.12        50        192
801        34.7        33.5        50        14.56        7        69        0        4        122.315        120        23.86        73        188
486        37.045        35        34        15.54        9        83        0        0        118.04        119        24.77        43        175
3161        35.85        35        18        14.76        7        68        0        5        120.64        120        24.33        75        185
11        35.73        34        27        15.97        5        83        0        2        120.255        121        25.81        45        200
151        36.21        34.5        30        15.64        7        80        0        3        120.05        119        24.88        64        175
337        36.62        36        36        16.21        6        85        0        3        119.075        118.5        26.60        36        187
3038        38.81        37        21        15.85        7        83        0        2        115.33        115        24.77        39        188
399        35.225        34        34        14.44        7        70        0        1        120.635        120        23.32        70        190
2614        37.055        35        24        15.63        6        75        0        3        118.145        121        24.98        56        187
20        34.26        32        24        14.87        6        74        0        4        123.185        123        24.17        63        189
772        36.45        35        39        16.36        4        78        0        3        119.75        119        25.73        61        200
102        36.66        35        22        15.79        5        74        0        4        119.395        119.5        25.73        60        193
829        37.57        35        26        14.88        9        72        0        0        117.195        118        23.07        60        174
2506        52.52        53        54        15.61        15        82        0        0        93.985        92.5        23.72        35        159
3125        52.73        53        72        16.04        8        85        0        1        93.88        92        24.70        32        175
2465        52.725        55.5        62        15.25        13        81        0        0        94.31        93        23.17        44        164
3238        51.525        53        58        15.64        13        84        0        0        95.99        95.5        23.55        34        163
585        52.89        55        57        14.78        9        83        0        0        93.795        92        21.94        47        173
612        53.615        55.5        59        14.73        15        83        0        0        92.345        91        22.02        37        161
2341        52.4        52.5        47        17.00        13        85        0        0        94.405        95        25.81        35        170
932        51.715        52        55        14.55        10        82        0        0        95.46        97        21.66        37        169
461        53.255        55        41        15.80        14        85        0        0        93.315        94        23.61        38        158
668        51.41        52        45        14.47        17        82        0        0        95.865        97        21.76        44        152
125        53.82        56        62        15.28        13        85        0        0        92.235        91        23.63        25        161
3168        51.98        54        61        16.69        16        84        0        0        95.15        94        25.62        38        160
2265        53.61        54        43        15.32        14        82        0        0        92.785        92        23.36        37        161
2638        50.765        50.5        50        16.11        14        83        0        0        96.675        96.5        24.48        45        155
178        52.46        53        49        15.21        14        85        0        0        94.24        94        22.86        33        155
1452        53.09        54        55        16.59        13        84        0        0        93.585        93        25.50        36        169
3176        53.265        53        62        15.43        18        85        0        0        93.495        95        23.47        35        154
2757        53.74        55        57        14.80        14        84        0        0        92.48        91        21.96        40        152
3231        66.525        70        73        13.16        13        85        0        0        71.95        68        22.27        27        158
533        67.62        71        85        13.70        13        86        0        0        70.125        68        23.67        19        162
647        66.255        68        65        13.40        24        86        0        0        71.77        72        22.65        19        143
2424        66.915        69.5        69        13.80        18        86        0        0        71.095        69        23.45        23        153
2164        67.065        70.5        78        13.88        23        86        0        0        70.25        70        23.52        17        143
3306        66.7        70        70        13.07        22        85        0        0        71.6        69        21.61        27        134
116        65.395        67        69        12.29        29        86        0        0        73.97        73        20.94        23        132
2023        67.015        69.5        80        13.15        28        86        0        0        71.065        70.5        22.26        29        125
2534        68.3        71        75        11.89        27        86        0        0        68.865        66        20.57        19        130
166        65.715        67        64        12.53        23        86        0        0        73.235        73        20.99        18        139
128        67.92        71        78        12.45        24        86        0        0        69.17        66        20.66        25        130
342        66.555        69        70        13.07        27        86        0        0        71.385        71        21.92        26        134
2102        67.79        70        83        13.01        15        86        0        0        69.73        68        21.75        28        150
2895        68.305        71.5        76        13.06        21        86        0        0        68.19        65.5        22.64        18        146
2914        66.625        68        72        13.01        28        85        0        0        71.545        71.5        22.12        19        133
117        76.04        78        84        8.66        44        86        0        0        53.3        53        18.73        11        109
3128        77.695        81        85        8.96        39        86        0        0        48.355        46.5        20.51        6        114
120        77.975        80        83        7.38        34        86        0        0        49.29        48        17.43        12        117
1311        77.5        81        86        8.89        44        86        0        0        48.855        46        20.14        6        107
2497        78.735        82        84        7.76        47        86        0        0        47.095        44.5        18.94        7        109
896        82.785        85        86        4.72        60        86        0        0        32.525        30        17.57        -2        84
2669        68.74        71.5        82        12.26        23        86        0        0        67.715        67        21.72        14        137
3083        67.495        71        79        13.98        22        86        0        0        70.075        68        23.70        21        142


JABot67 11-04-2010 15:18

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Joe Ross, what order are those teams in? All I know is that it goes from generally higher seed to generally lower, but there are discrepancies. 2619 looks like it's in worse shape than 910, yet it is higher on the list.

Oh, and it'd be great for 67 to seed first! (too bad that never happens in Atlanta)

Austin Jones 11-04-2010 16:37

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
I hope this year goes like 2008 with the 16,67 that made it to Einstein!!!

fuzzy1718 11-04-2010 20:31

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Thanks Joe, that really puts things into perspective. Having not played outside of Michigan since 2006 it is really hard to gauge teams from other areas.

Akash Rastogi 11-04-2010 21:13

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzy1718 (Post 952336)
Thanks Joe, that really puts things into perspective. Having not played outside of Michigan since 2006 it is really hard to gauge teams from other areas.

I have a feeling 1718 will do very well this year. I'm rooting you guys on to make an appearance in the Finals, if not Einstein.

Looking forward to playing with you.

Tom Line 11-04-2010 21:59

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 952409)
I have a feeling 1718 will do very well this year. I'm rooting you guys on to make an appearance in the Finals, if not Einstein.

Looking forward to playing with you.

Ditto that. So far you're one of only a handful of people who have even acknowledged we exist ;) . It'll be our first time that we can afford it since '06, and we're all looking forward to having a great time there!

rjbarra 11-04-2010 22:09

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Here is a little of what team 20 can do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSWy6OdkAEc

Good luck! See you in Atlanta!

pfreivald 11-04-2010 22:10

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Line (Post 952451)
Ditto that. So far you're one of only a handful of people who have even acknowledged we exist ;) . It'll be our first time that we can afford it since '06, and we're all looking forward to having a great time there!

We hope to be another one of those not-really-considered teams that surprises people in a 'Wow! Where did they come from?!?' sort of way. Most people don't really know us, as we only do the FLR and our appearance at nationals last year was more for the taste of it, and we were... less than stellar.

I know we've got some monster teams on Newton (and I say that with nothing but admiration), but we hope to hold our own against the big boys and really strut our stuff. :D

ExTexan 11-04-2010 22:17

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

So far you're one of only a handful of people who have even acknowledged we exist
I saw you at the Michigan Championships.....YOU EXIST!.....you're quick, you score, you elevate consistently and quick!.....and of course you are the fighting 3.141592653589793 I could just go on and on! :)

Akash Rastogi 11-04-2010 22:18

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Haha, 1718 and 1551, I assure you, people who you want noticing, have noticed. The teams at the top do their pre-scouting thoroughly.

sportzkrazzy 11-04-2010 22:29

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Only a few more days till i get to see her again! This is sad you would think I was talking about a chick... no wonder me gf gets jealous. XD can't wait to see some of the best compete at Nats.!

JABot67 11-04-2010 22:31

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 952467)
The teams at the top do their pre-scouting thoroughly.

Pre-scouting? What's that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Line (Post 952451)
Ditto that. So far you're one of only a handful of people who have even acknowledged we exist ;) . It'll be our first time that we can afford it since '06, and we're all looking forward to having a great time there!

Our team had to notice when you beat us in the quals at MSC. There was even more noticing going on when your alliance racked up 20 and then 17 points in the quarterfinals against 27, 201, and 703. That is sick! Semis were so close. I think in the first match the scores were never more than a point away from each other. If it weren't for that 2 point penalty (don't carry the ball!) it would have been a tie game.

dsmoker 11-04-2010 22:34

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
1718 and 1551, I feel your pain! We, too, think we have a fine machine this year and hope to get some attention in Atlanta. We did well in CT, and had we not had strange mishaps in two matches (once lost communication with the field, once had our kicker get stuck out, both now corrected) could well have been an alliance captain. We have a reliable autonomous mode (scoring 1-2 balls per match), scored 3-5 balls in teleop and can supply balls from midfield easily, and hung successfully (and quickly) in every attempt. We're looking forward to playing again now that our minor kinks have been worked out!

BJC 11-04-2010 22:40

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JABot67 (Post 952476)
Our team had to notice when you beat us in the quals at MSC. There was even more noticing going on when your alliance racked up 20 and then 17 points in the quarterfinals against 27, 201, and 703. That is sick! Semis were so close. I think in the first match the scores were never more than a point away from each other. If it weren't for that 2 point penalty (don't carry the ball!) it would have been a tie game.

Ya team 33 noticed you from the get-go. You were very impressive, and with a little luck we could have had 67, 217, 2612 at states. I predict you will go far in Atlanta this year, seriously, You Have A Good Robot!

KrazyCarl92 11-04-2010 22:50

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JABot67 (Post 952476)
Pre-scouting?

Pre-scouting is spending endless hours being frustrated due to the fact that the blue alliance does not seem to post any videos this year.

In all seriousness, its using resources like thebluealliance.net, youtube, CD, etc. to see what other teams can do, what they're good at, how they're successful, how to work with them, how to beat them, you get the point. The purpose is to get a thorough idea of what you'll be seeing at the championship, mostly in your division, but some elsewhere in the event Einstein is in the cards for u. The more u see the and the better u scout, the more prepared u will be and the less surprised u will be.

Some say u need luck to reach Einstein. I say "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." your robot and your scouting are your preparation, and u have earned yourself and opportunity in Atlanta, who's to say u cant get lucky? It all depends on the quality of your preparation, and how u respond to opportunity.

JABot67 11-04-2010 23:06

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
I do that for fun, not because my team tells me to do it.

However, I do know the extreme importance of scouting. It's all you do on 67, if you're not in the pits. We have up to six people watching every robot on the field, during every match. Even in our own matches, we still have scouting groups keep track of all the other robots, even if they're very distracted by what our robot is doing. We also scout elimination matches, in order to know how an alliance works together and what we must do to defeat them.

I agree that pre-scouting is a good way to get a feel for a division, but it is not possible to come up with a decent alliance selection list just by watching demo videos and video from other tournaments.

Joe Ross 11-04-2010 23:14

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JABot67 (Post 952160)
Joe Ross, what order are those teams in? All I know is that it goes from generally higher seed to generally lower, but there are discrepancies. 2619 looks like it's in worse shape than 910, yet it is higher on the list.

Oh, and it'd be great for 67 to seed first! (too bad that never happens in Atlanta)

It's in the order of highest weighted average OPR to lowest weighted average OPR. I'm sure if given enough matches per schedule or enough iterations of match schedules it would even out.

Noah Booth 11-04-2010 23:31

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
There has been quite a bit of talk about 125 from teams that were not in boston. With much respect to the hard work of team 125: to me, Their robot seemed to be a great concept but failed to perform consistently. I was watching when a previously posted video of them on the practice field was being filmed and the whole team would get excited when it worked. With a strong alliance 125 could provide a huge boost but if put on the weaker alliance it can not tip the scales. In Atlanta I expect to see some big big wins and about as many disappointing losses. I hope that their modifications make the more consistent and more like team 496 which approached attempted to solve the game problem in the same way as 125 and produced some serious results. This being said, Team 1922 is looking forward to working with 125 in Atlanta because we think with a strong midfield robot [Like us ;)] starting in the defensive end and moving up to mid field we could have a phenomenal match assuming we had a decent robot in the offensive herding in 125s returns into the goal.

Does anyone else think that team 20 is being overlooked. They are probably the most accurate robot I saw at BAE or Boston and are very maneuverable. With their improved kicker i expect to see massive results from them in ATL.

Akash Rastogi 11-04-2010 23:50

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Oh team 20 is very serious for Atlanta....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSWy6OdkAEc


.

Meredith Novak 11-04-2010 23:52

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
I don't think anyone will be overlooking Team 20 now...

darkangel 11-04-2010 23:53

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noah Booth (Post 952523)
Does anyone else think that team 20 is being overlooked. They are probably the most accurate robot I saw at BAE or Boston and are very maneuverable. With their improved kicker i expect to see massive results from them in ATL.

Agreed. They were a killer midfield bot at WPI, and it was a pleasure to watch and work with them. I can see them being a serious competitor in Atlanta.

pfreivald 12-04-2010 09:01

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Oh, don't misunderstand -- for better or worse, I'm certain that every team will have a very good idea of how good everyone's robot is going in to alliance selection.

At FLR, we had every intention of picking 1559 as our 'third' bot (after Thunderchickens) on Saturday morning, as they were very very good and well-suited to compliment our robot's play strategy... but in their last few qualifying matches they started having communication glitches with the field, and in the end we felt as if we just couldn't risk that happening in the tournament.

If our team -- with a whopping 18 people -- do at least that level of scouting so that you are aware not just of how well a robot has done, but how it is currently doing, I'm most certain that other teams are doing exactly the same thing.

efoote868 12-04-2010 09:10

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
We're pretty good at clearing the middle zone, and our driver is amazing :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2jZz0r0wbk

I might be biased tho.

robodude03 12-04-2010 10:01

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
I have to mirror what everyone has been saying about the robots on Newton. Finals are going to be a lot of fun looking at the teams that are on this division. As for the scouting it always surprises me how much video helps in targeting robots that you would otherwise have missed until you get to Atlanta. Numbers and statistics always help in organizing a list of bots you want to scout, but videos are so much more exciting to see.

So, in the same manner I will place a video of some highlights of our robot this year. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/user/cevTV399.../0/o8Y9k2auxl8

Craig Roys 12-04-2010 10:02

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JABot67 (Post 952476)
Semis were so close. I think in the first match the scores were never more than a point away from each other. If it weren't for that 2 point penalty (don't carry the ball!) it would have been a tie game.

Ugh! Don't remind me...we work hard not to get the carry the ball penalties; we didn't get one all weekend long and it decided to pop up at the worst time! :ahh: Those were definitely a couple of fun, closely played matches - I wish we could have extended the series another game or two.

cziggy343 12-04-2010 11:12

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
well... since everyone else is posting videos... ive posted these before... but i will post them again :)

hanging:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHmRrZ9asEo
-it hangs in a little less than ten seconds once we clamp (its faster in real life than it is in this practice

kicking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPYW0VbjSRM
-it kicks about 30 feet at the moment, but we are contemplating changing the springs to make it kick a little farther.

and both of these videos are from before ship... i dont have any high quality videos of our robot separately... but there is the matches from palmetto that we won :D

http://www.clemson.edu/tlt/stream/frc/video.html

and bear in mind that we built the robot mainly for defense, but we are a competent offensive robot as well. not the best, but at least competitive scoring

DarkFlame145 12-04-2010 13:07

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Vid of robots outside of competition is nice, but what I have noticed is that sometimes a robot works really well in the vid, but when it gets to competition being knocked around and having other robots get in the way, they don't seam to be as effective. I love to see what other teams have done with their bot on vids, but if it's not a competition vid, I take it with a grain of salt for efficiency. Just because it might work great in competition or it might not work at all.

Also 1551 I know you guys will do well, winning FLR is no small feat, lots of talent go to FLR. But I have to admit I was screaming bloody murder at my desk when I saw you guys knocked my Alumi (145) out of the number 1 seed =P. But you guys have one heck of a hanger and a great bot all the way around.

falconmaster 12-04-2010 13:17

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Here are some vids of our robots capabilities

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZC_RMekDaM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5ZzeRPiwOs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QeLfLC8Pok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hgKnrVnlg4

Looking for robots to "dance" with at the championships!

pfreivald 12-04-2010 13:36

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFlame145 (Post 952709)
But I have to admit I was screaming bloody murder at my desk when I saw you guys knocked my Alumi (145) out of the number 1 seed =P.

I, too, was screaming... but not bloody murder.

The announcer had said the previous match that 145 was definitely the #1 seed because nobody in the last match was close enough to them to take it away. 25 QPs looked awfully far away, but when you win a game 10-8... :D

145 has a great 'bot, and have a lot to be proud of with their FLR performance.

cziggy343 12-04-2010 14:25

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFlame145 (Post 952709)
Vid of robots outside of competition is nice, but what I have noticed is that sometimes a robot works really well in the vid, but when it gets to competition being knocked around and having other robots get in the way, they don't seam to be as effective. I love to see what other teams have done with their bot on vids, but if it's not a competition vid, I take it with a grain of salt for efficiency. Just because it might work great in competition or it might not work at all.

it was my only option =P but that is why i sent a link to the palmetto videos too:D

DarkFlame145 12-04-2010 15:34

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cziggy343 (Post 952744)
it was my only option =P but that is why i sent a link to the palmetto videos too:D

It was more aimed to people saying that teams 20 and 125 have made improvements, they might of, but we wont know until Thursday.

pfreivald 12-04-2010 15:35

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
I'm rather willing to bet that we have all made improvements...

Brandon Holley 12-04-2010 16:01

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFlame145 (Post 952773)
It was more aimed to people saying that teams 20 and 125 have made improvements, they might of, but we wont know until Thursday.

I assure you, we couldn't be much worse than we were in Boston.

DarkFlame145 12-04-2010 16:14

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley (Post 952783)
I assure you, we couldn't be much worse than we were in Boston.

I hope any team that has struggled has made improvements, I honestly do.

rjbarra 12-04-2010 17:49

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkFlame145 (Post 952709)
Vid of robots outside of competition is nice, but what I have noticed is that sometimes a robot works really well in the vid, but when it gets to competition being knocked around and having other robots get in the way, they don't seam to be as effective. I love to see what other teams have done with their bot on vids, but if it's not a competition vid, I take it with a grain of salt for efficiency. Just because it might work great in competition or it might not work at all.

Also 1551 I know you guys will do well, winning FLR is no small feat, lots of talent go to FLR. But I have to admit I was screaming bloody murder at my desk when I saw you guys knocked my Alumi (145) out of the number 1 seed =P. But you guys have one heck of a hanger and a great bot all the way around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvHBvYbcFwU

Here is a video of us at wpi. I see where you are coming from because it is really hard to get competition video this year. This is just from quarters on I believe. We improved greatly from Manchester to wpi with the suction cups and now have improved our ball magnet, kicker, and added autonomous.

Hope this helps! As a fellow scout I look for all the video I can get, so anyone who posts any video it will be appreciated :) good luck all and see ya soon!

AnibaS 12-04-2010 18:48

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Is Wednesday night going to be as busy for everyone else as it will be for us? (In terms of making improvements/additions to the robots.)

waialua359 12-04-2010 19:22

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AnibaS (Post 952869)
Is Wednesday night going to be as busy for everyone else as it will be for us? (In terms of making improvements/additions to the robots.)

ABSOLUTELY IN ALL DIVISIONS.:yikes:

cziggy343 12-04-2010 20:02

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AnibaS (Post 952869)
Is Wednesday night going to be as busy for everyone else as it will be for us? (In terms of making improvements/additions to the robots.)

umm... yes. ;)

AnibaS 12-04-2010 20:47

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 952898)
ABSOLUTELY IN ALL DIVISIONS.:yikes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by cziggy343 (Post 952939)
umm... yes. ;)

Glad to hear we're not part of a few! :p
We can't wait to see the changes everyone is working on; maybe we'll even see some "new" robots out there! Less than two days left to go!

Josh Drake 13-04-2010 07:50

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AnibaS (Post 952983)
Glad to hear we're not part of a few! :p
We can't wait to see the changes everyone is working on; maybe we'll even see some "new" robots out there! Less than two days left to go!

Well, 65 lbs. of new...:p

hipsterjr 13-04-2010 17:59

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cziggy343 (Post 952660)

and bear in mind that we built the robot mainly for defense, but we are a competent offensive robot as well. not the best, but at least competitive scoring

We are the opposite, we built for offense, but found our drive train better suited for defense with ample pushing power. Go figure:rolleyes: We are actually going to make some gearing changes to be more nimble.

sportzkrazzy 14-04-2010 03:19

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Here is a new video of us competing at the colorado and florida regionals. =)

http://www.youtube.com/user/Frcteam1592

johnr 16-04-2010 08:26

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
I was looking at all the standings and Newton jumped out at me with 11 teams not getting scores registered for three matches. I can understand a couple not getting a third match in yesterday, but 11. So this means alot of red cards and a couple of teams not getting to the field. Two teams didn't play any matches. Does anyone know if the teams just didn't make it to Atlanta or are they having trouble with inspections? Hope they are up and running today.

Doug Leppard 16-04-2010 08:34

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnr (Post 954175)
I was looking at all the standings and Newton jumped out at me with 11 teams not getting scores registered for three matches. I can understand a couple not getting a third match in yesterday, but 11. So this means alot of red cards and a couple of teams not getting to the field. Two teams didn't play any matches. Does anyone know if the teams just didn't make it to Atlanta or are they having trouble with inspections? Hope they are up and running today.

I have heard that the teams that play an extra game that doesn't count (some teams must play 11 games so all can at least play 10 games) 3rd match is the game for them that doesn't count. I am not sure about this but this could contribute to the 11 teams that did not count.

GaryVoshol 16-04-2010 10:45

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
So who got a suspension? It must have been in Match 45 - 1727/93/2102. And how do you get 1 hanging point in the standings (2102)?

Jeff 801 16-04-2010 20:56

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
I just watched match 45 and I did not see any robots hanging in that match so I am not sure. Also on a side note I have match videos (not cut to individual) that I will hopefully upload tonight but the internet connection I have is not the best so It should be up by like next Tuesday.

AdamHeard 16-04-2010 21:16

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
I'm glad to see 294 tearing it up!

Mr. Pockets 17-04-2010 12:58

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
May somebody please post the alliances? I'm having trouble deciphering the elimination bracket numbers.

sammyjalex 17-04-2010 13:01

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
294 67 177
1718 16 343
1592 910 706
2137 971 525
2757 668 20
1922 1073 102
1868 337 1902
308 2619 399

rsilverstein 17-04-2010 13:11

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Does this mean that 177 might make Einstein for their 5th year in a row?? Wow

Mr. Pockets 17-04-2010 15:09

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Semifinal 2, match 4: Did anybody else find it odd that 343 tried to hang so early? I just found it strange that they would take themselves out of play effectively so early; especially considering how close the last three matches were. At the end when it was revealed that they got a penalty and a yellow card for overextention it made it even more perplexing. They won, so I guess it really doesn't matter. I was just curious.

Any thoughts or things that I overlooked?

PaW 17-04-2010 15:53

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Pockets (Post 954476)
Semifinal 2, match 4: Did anybody else find it odd that 343 tried to hang so early? I just found it strange that they would take themselves out of play effectively so early; especially considering how close the last three matches were. At the end when it was revealed that they got a penalty and a yellow card for overextention it made it even more perplexing. They won, so I guess it really doesn't matter. I was just curious.

Any thoughts or things that I overlooked?

I was wondering the same thing. It seemed rather odd to deploy so early... there had to be a reason.

IndySam 17-04-2010 21:18

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PaW (Post 954499)
I was wondering the same thing. It seemed rather odd to deploy so early... there had to be a reason.

I believe they accidentally deployed so they decided to go ahead and hang to avoid getting any other penalties.

DarkFlame145 17-04-2010 22:33

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 954646)
I believe they accidentally deployed so they decided to go ahead and hang to avoid getting any other penalties.

Plus it does take them almost the full 20 seconds to get the full hang

davidfv 18-04-2010 09:30

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Pockets (Post 954476)
Semifinal 2, match 4: Did anybody else find it odd that 343 tried to hang so early? I just found it strange that they would take themselves out of play effectively so early; especially considering how close the last three matches were. At the end when it was revealed that they got a penalty and a yellow card for overextention it made it even more perplexing. They won, so I guess it really doesn't matter. I was just curious.

Any thoughts or things that I overlooked?

They did deploy early. Just before the match they were trying to zip tie something down, guess it did not work.

I was a GREAT call by their driving team and coach to hook up to the tower to not incur more penalties than the one they did. Smart move!


David
GA for Newton

Gene F 18-04-2010 10:58

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davidfv (Post 954728)
They did deploy early. Just before the match they were trying to zip tie something down, guess it did not work.

I was a GREAT call by their driving team and coach to hook up to the tower to not incur more penalties than the one they did. Smart move!


David
GA for Newton

Slight mental lapse. They forgot to return the deploy switch to off before the match started. The stress down there can be extreme!

cziggy343 18-04-2010 11:14

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 954646)
I believe they accidentally deployed so they decided to go ahead and hang to avoid getting any other penalties.

yes, it was a total accident. there are two switches to deploy the hanger, and at the beginning of the match, they were both flipped up. so, the second that telop started, it went out. so, i was hoping to avoid a yellow card by going to the tower and hanging immidiately instead of playing the match... but that didn't happen. o well, we still won the match ;)

and thanks so much to 1718 and 16. i was really really hoping that we would get picked by yall when i saw that you had paired up. it was a fun run, and we gave them a run for their money in the finals!

Tom Line 18-04-2010 11:57

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Thanks to all the members on 343 and 16. As a group we complemented eachother's abilities extremely well, and we took the (soon-to-be) world champions to a rubber match, as well as setting the Newton Scoring record.

Well played, and great job!

Meredith Novak 18-04-2010 15:36

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Newton turned out to be pretty exciting. We were the only division to see 3 final matches and we also had the high score of 25 (I think) for the entire set of elimination rounds. Congratulations to Newton Division and World Champion Teams 294, 67, and 177! You are gracious competitors and winners (and providers of cooling spray). Thank you to our AMAZING alliance partners 1718 and 343! It was a great set of matches and thank you for helping us look good in front of the Baxter CEO.

Craig Roys 18-04-2010 16:24

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Pockets (Post 954476)
Semifinal 2, match 4: Did anybody else find it odd that 343 tried to hang so early? I just found it strange that they would take themselves out of play effectively so early; especially considering how close the last three matches were. At the end when it was revealed that they got a penalty and a yellow card for overextention it made it even more perplexing. They won, so I guess it really doesn't matter. I was just curious.

Any thoughts or things that I overlooked?

They accidentally deployed early - still not sure why (I never asked them what happened afterwards). They/we decided they should hang to avoid taking any further penalties. Somehow we still managed to score enough to win it. That was an extremely tough semifinals - 2 ties and then both wins came down to the hanging robots at the end. We had to play the last 3 back to back to back because 294/67/177 were already done. Then we had the 3 finals matches. There was one timeout in there, but our drive motors were plenty hot (no pun intended) by the end of finals. Congrats to 294/67/177 - you guys were fun to play against. And of course, congrats on the BIG win on Einstein - Awesom job!

Craig Roys 18-04-2010 16:37

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
I forgot to add; thanks to 16 and 343. Bomb Squad - you guys are great strategists and it was fun pairing up with you. Our robots really seemed to compliment each other. Metal in Motion - we couldn't have asked any more of you. You guys played some great defense at the end there and you played smart. Plus your hangs were keys to our getting through the semifinals - Thanks!

rahilm 18-04-2010 18:31

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Team 668 had a blast again at the Championships. Newton was a great division with a lot of amazing teams.

First off, I'm extremely pleased at how well the whole event went. Our robot was not as great as we wanted it to be after SD and SVR, so we made one major change to our robot in the weeks between SVR and the Championships that we think made us a much better bot. Just getting into the playoffs and making it to the semis was great.

Our alliance partners, 2757 and 20 were amazing. 2757 played outstanding defense on two bots in the quarters and 20 kept feeding us balls in the offensive zone to score. 2137, 971, and 525, you guys made those quarterfinal matches intense and it was great playing with you. 294, 67, and 177 you guys were amazing out there and you truly deserved to win it all.

One more thing I'd like to add: being in Qual 87 was a whole lot of fun. Playing with 67 and 971 (right after a match against them, too) was great and it was up against some great teams in 910, 525, and 932. That was one of the best matches we've played in this season.

ExTexan 18-04-2010 19:53

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
From a ref's viewpoint, Newton was a GREAT field! It is never fun to call a penalty, especially one for a small mistake or a momentary lapse in judgement (love you HOT! ::safety:: ) but all of you handled everything like the professionals you are. Thanks to all of you and too bad they don't let both finalist teams go to Einstein.....We may have gotten to see another Newton finals!

Mr. Pockets 18-04-2010 21:25

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cziggy343
yes, it was a total accident. there are two switches to deploy the hanger, and at the beginning of the match, they were both flipped up. so, the second that telop started, it went out. so, i was hoping to avoid a yellow card by going to the tower and hanging immidiately instead of playing the match... but that didn't happen. o well, we still won the match

Wow, considering it wasn't intended you guys pulled it off like champs. Watching from the webcast I never would have guessed that something had gone wrong, you guys just took it in stride and didn't miss a beat. Impressive work!

I was watching newton from noon onward via webcast. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time, and couldn't have asked for a better show! Congratulations to all who competed, especially 67, 294, and 177 for their amazing victory. Great show, and hopefully next year we'll be able to make it down to St. Louis to face off with all you amazing teams!

Noah Booth 18-04-2010 21:41

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gene F (Post 954745)
Slight mental lapse. They forgot to return the deploy switch to off before the match started. The stress down there can be extreme!

thats what it was. we couldn't figure it out. in the previous match our defensive robot had tried to pin one robot in to goal to prevent scoring and hanging points. we assumed it was to avoid that. good match though.

Josh Drake 19-04-2010 09:32

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Wow, that was a fun ride. A big thanks to 1718 and 16 for being great partners, helping us when we needed it, and keeping our spirits up. Putting up 34 pre-penatly points was awesome.
Also a big congratulations to the national champs that this talent packed division produced. 294, 67, and 177 were great to play against and very hard to beat as the other division champs also found out. It was also fun to play a little D against HOT.
The 1922, 1073, 102 alliance was tough to beat too. Two ties and having to run back to back to back was crazy!
Again, thanks to "Pi Bombs in Motion" for the wild ride. Let's do it again next year in St. Louis!

Edit:
Scoring 34 takes it's toll on the human players.

roystur44 27-04-2010 20:32

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
We are in the house!!! Turn the volume up for this one.

Newton Q87

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54KG9...eature=channel


That was a great match. The video doesn't do it justice. Anybody have additional footage?


Roy

Rangel 29-04-2010 15:00

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Will there be video on the blue alliance soon?

JamesBrown 29-04-2010 15:54

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
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Originally Posted by roystur44 (Post 958534)
We are in the house!!! Turn the volume up for this one.

Newton Q87

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54KG9...eature=channel


That was a great match. The video doesn't do it justice. Anybody have additional footage?


Roy

Who is the Announcer? That guy is ridiculous.

Chris is me 29-04-2010 16:01

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
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Originally Posted by JamesBrown (Post 958974)
Who is the Announcer? That guy is ridiculous.

"Ridiculous" is probably the best way to describe this guy. I think he goes by Sir Charles?

Akash Rastogi 29-04-2010 16:49

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 958976)
"Ridiculous" is probably the best way to describe this guy. I think he goes by Sir Charles?

Sir Charles is THE MAN. Qualification matches were never a bit dull when he was announcing. Most entertaining matches. Ever. We loved this guy.:D

Tom Ore 29-04-2010 21:16

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roystur44 (Post 958534)
We are in the house!!! Turn the volume up for this one.

Newton Q87

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54KG9...eature=channel


That was a great match. The video doesn't do it justice. Anybody have additional footage?

I happened to have the media pass for our team for that match. I forgot how much defense was going on all over the field - makes the final score even more impressive. I took some video, but it's identical to the opening shot during autonomous (with us bouncing two balls off of 932 instead of scoring them.)

kstl99 29-04-2010 21:43

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Who is the announcer on the right? He Emceed in Manchester and Boston and did a great job. My personal favorite. (The guy on the left was pretty good too)

akeisic 30-04-2010 21:40

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roystur44 (Post 958534)
That was a great match. The video doesn't do it justice. Anybody have additional footage?

This is the match that got us worried because it gave the winning alliance 58 ranking points and put 67 back in the hunt with us for the #1 seed! We kept asking ourselves...how did they pull themselves back into it? Now I know!

Awesome match to all in it!

roystur44 12-05-2010 21:08

Re: Newton Division 2010
 
Here are my pictures from the Newton Division at CMP.

http://www.bmf.com/frc%20971/2010%20CMP/


Enjoy the smiling faces.


Roy


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