Newton Division 2010
 

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....ivision=newton

Let's get this started.

My opinion of the factors in Newton are highlighted.

11, 16, 20, 67, 93, 102, 116, 117, 120 ,125, 128, 151, 166, 177, 178, 226, 281, 294, 308, 337, 342, 343, 399, 461, 486, 525, 533, 558, 585, 612, 647, 668, 706, 772, 801, 829, 842, 868, 896, 910, 932, 971, 1073, 1208, 1296, 1311, 1452, 1551, 1592, 1718, 1727, 1868, 1902, 1922, 2023, 2102, 2137, 2164, 2265, 2341, 2377, 2415, 2424, 2465, 2497, 2506, 2534, 2614, 2619, 2638, 2669, 2757, 2771, 2895, 2914, 3038, 3083, 3123, 3125, 3128, 3161, 3168, 3176, 3231, 3238, 3306

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971 and 67.

Oh man.

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My first time on Newton in 9 trips to Championships, if I recall correctly...PUMPED!

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706 is pumped and ready to start competing!

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WANT!

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I could see any combination of 67 / 16 / 971 / 706 / 125 / 1902 / 177 taking the division, depending on the amount teams improve. Basically, pick one of those teams, have them seed #1, and end game.

Best of luck to old alliance partner 177 and Wisconsin powerhouse 706!

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20 is certainly looking forward to this ;)

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THANKS! We are getting very excited! I'm sure everyone else is too! :D

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2nd time at Newton! 2265 is definitely excited:D !

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Well, I hope nobody overlooks the FLR #1 seed and regional champions when considering power alliances...

Now who could that be? :D

It's gonna be a fun couple of days!

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w00t party at newton. i'm pumped to see how the competition stacks up when you have an entire stadium filled with experienced teams

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Don't forget 910!
they are beast this year :)

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I definitely forgot to mention you guys and 20. If 20 can improve dramatically in 5 days, imagine how much better they are in 5 WEEKS :D You guys also made a big splash at FLR.

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1592 is ready to return to Newton for the first time since '07 :D

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and who do you guys think/want our MC to be? :cool:

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Blair...he is the best of the best.

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Me personally, since I am from Florida, im kinda hoping they allow Barry Bonzack(sorry if name is spelled wrong) to be ours lol

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

Barry is typically not one of the four full-time MCs at Championship. He might back-up one of the MCs, but that remains to be seen (not sure if he's even volunteering as an MC/game announcer, you'd have to ask him).

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

woodie flowers

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After quite a few years of not being all that good, it's nice to have a highly competitive robot this year. We're really, really looking forward to playing with the big boys.

My team is psyched, my drivers are highly experienced (thanks in part to a videogame we programmed that mimics our drive and functionality... sort of... that he's been playing nonstop since the last week of the build season), and we're ready to head South and make some small-town rural noise in the big city!

I've basically run out of anything intelligent to say, and would just like to contribute the following thought to this thread:

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!1!!!!11 eleven!!!

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I can't wait to see what Looking Forward has to say about Newton! Don't delay!

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Barry will on the FTC fields, but I would like to give a shout out for the Dan Richardson/George Wallace duo!!!

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868 is definitely excited to be back to Newton for the 5th time! Looks like an impressive showing of teams! Glad to see some fellow Indiana teams with us!

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3168 is stoked to have made it this far and can't wait to show Newton what this "Breakfast Club of Robotics" can bring to the field!

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11 is ready to play with some old friends and ready to meet new teams. We haven't been on Newton since 2006, so let's see what happens.

Ohhh and our Rookie All Stars 3125 (WPI & CT RAS) and 3231 (NJ RAS) BOTH made it into the same division! Woot! :) Good luck guys, I know you'll put up a good fight for Championship Rookie All Star!

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This is the first time we've been in the same division back to back years. Should be fun, I can't wait to see who we get to play with this year as there are a lot of new teams for us to play with that we don't normally see even at the Championship.

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2415 is excited to be in Newton this year and im glad to see 1902, 2614, and 1311 also in our division!!!!!!

Im also excited to see teams like 971, 16, and 67 compete. It should be awesome.

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I think it would be awesome if Mark Leon would be the MC

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Mark Leon is doing Curie, I am pretty sure he always does Curie too

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You're going to have to wait until at least Sunday, as certain individuals have been asked to provide input by Saturday. :)
After all, the divisions only came out today. ;) ;)

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Yeah, I know last year they came out Tuesday night. But I can hardly wait!

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294 is pretty good this year, I imagine they'll sneak in under the radar.

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with 67 in the division the MC will most likly be Dave Verrbugie (Wow I butchered that last name... Alot harder to spell than say)
All I can say is GOPI!!

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Whoohoo! I'm looking forward to seeing everyone in Atlanta! We can make Newton rock this year!

Oink Oink...

BOOM!!!

(The first of many to come! : P )

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it will rock, our robot has improved so much over time

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Ours has too, we are ready to show off probably our best autonomous that our team has ever made, lets go Newton!

ISAAC!!!

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343 is excted to play on newton! =] can we start with the scouting portion? can people describe what your robot can do? i will start:

-track drive robot
-4 CIMS on the drivetrain
-pneumatic released spring-loaded kicker
-kicker kicks 35 feet
-rides up a vertical pole to hang
-hangs in about ten seconds
-in auto, usually start far, clear all three balls (maybe score two if we are lucky ;) )

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-6 wheel tank drive
-2 speed AM SuperShifter gearbox
-Ball magnet
-cam system kicker, spring tension
-multi-tension kicker(prematch change)
-low setting=20ft loft style high setting=10 ft line drive style
-2 auto settings: prefer start in far but can go in middle
-Slow Setting: kicks all 3 far balls scores 1-2 but whatever misses ends in front zone
-Fast Setting: kicks far 3 and then middle 2 scores 1-4 but whatever misses ends in front zone

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The MC will probably either be Chiniqua or Jeff Seaton

Blair usually take Galileo with Andy Grady, and Mark Leon usually takes Curie.

Jeff and Chiniqua usually split up Newton and Archimedes.

And of course Dave will be making appearances.

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whos the guy that does Einstein and did MSC this year?
(pretty sure that is the same guy lol)

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that's Dave Verbrugge

he's done Einstein every year since I can remember (at least 04) I think before that it was Dr Flowers.

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Man we need to get him, he is an awesome MC

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Dave Verbrugge! Despite seeing him today, I can't tell you if he's MCing the whole time, or just part time as George A. stated. That will probably be what happens, as that is what he has done in the past.

Team 67:

8 wheel tank drive
Quick bump traversal
Kicker with variable power
- 3 coded set positions: Near, Middle, and Far Zone
Hanger that sometimes works, but apparently not when it counts. Ahem. We'll fix that.
- Able to continue rising after the buzzer
Many, many, MANY autonomous modes :)

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For qualification rounds he just backs up the 4 MC's of the fields. And then he MC's Einstein. Although they could always change it up this year.

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Dave gives some of the best speeches in all of FIRST. In 2008, he gave the perfect storm speech, in was the best 5 minutes all friday. Then last year as he presented the links between the final 6 robots on einstien, which isnt to hard considering 4 were from michigan. Even this year at the state championships, he throws out teams historys left and right. Truely and world class person and MC!

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shh... - "Where'd THAT robot come from?" :rolleyes:

We're happy to be joining the Newton division!

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Say Hello to the 103rd seed worldwide: The Elm City Robo Squad!

Team 558 info:

• 4 wheel Mecanum drive
• can balance and travel across the bump laterally
• 2 power kicking mechanism
• Ball Magnet
• Ball detection mechanism, provides visual feedback
• Auto-detecting autonomous, will detect zone and act accordingly
• consistent hanger, have successfully hung on every attempt
• Dual gryo system with automatic error detecting
• effective at offensive and defensive play
• put up first double digit score and first double hang at CT

I can't wait to come back guys! This is 558s 3rd time the the championships, and our first time in Newton!

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Since we can't seem to get this up on TBA, here is a link to the Palmetto regional. http://www.clemson.edu/tlt/stream/frc/video.html
281, 342, 343 were at this event and are now attending Newton.

343 has been working on a better ball magnet and hanger. The ball magnet "floats." Stop by the pit and see what I'm talking about, or see it on Isaac....

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1551 is:

Mecanum drive (4 CIM), with assistive Andymark wheels for hump transversal.
Dual-wheel, side-grabbing ball controller.
Two-speed kicker, adjustable in-game.
Multiple autonomous modes (upgraded from Regional)
The most consistent hanger at FLR -- about six seconds off the top or side bar (in the corner).
Self-righter (which we didn't at any point need.)

We very strongly prefer to start in the middle zone, but can clear balls from the far into the close zone, and can score in the close or middle zones (which we could do before, but can now do even better with our New Improved Kicker(TM)).

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You're forgetting 1718 (one of the top scorers in the country), 1922, 1868, 1592, 910 (MI powerhouse), 868, 801...etc..

We may not have most of the big dogs, but we definitely have some of the best middle of the pack robots. I can see 67 and 1718 pairing up to take the division. Along with 11 as a last pick. Right right right?:p


My opinion of the factors in Newton are highlighted.

11, 16, 20, 67, 93, 102, 116, 117, 120 ,125, 128, 151, 166, 177, 178, 226, 281, 294, 308, 337, 342, 343, 399, 461, 486, 525, 533, 558, 585, 612, 647, 668, 706, 772, 801, 829, 842, 868, 896, 910, 932, 971, 1073, 1208, 1296, 1311, 1452, 1551, 1592, 1718, 1727, 1868, 1902, 1922, 2023, 2102, 2137, 2164, 2265, 2341, 2377, 2415, 2424, 2465, 2497, 2506, 2534, 2614, 2619, 2638, 2669, 2757, 2771, 2895, 2914, 3038, 3083, 3123, 3125, 3128, 3161, 3168, 3176, 3231, 3238, 3306

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1718 is definitely excited to be back to the Championship for the first time since we won RAS in 2006 - We were Newton then and we're back on Newton again (assuming the list stays mostly the same).

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I can see 801,1902 and 1592 take the win, ecpecially if 801 can get their hanging mechanism(which has yet to be seen by me, but is on their card)

but I am slightly biased :p

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I think you've got it nailed! However, just to add to that, don't forget team 20, winners of the WPI Regional, as a 910-esque close zone scorer. And also, team 525 won Kansas City against a stacked alliance of 16 and 1625. Teams 1727 and 3123 teamed up to win the DC Regional, and 399 isn't that bad of a scorer. 2771 is an amazing close zone scorer despite not having a ball grabber or kicker. Finally, team 2669 racked up the scores at the Israel Regional, and won that event.

...Newton!

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

Having competed against 971 and 668 at SVR, and 294 at San Diego, we're definitely excited about Atlanta this year!

Actually, we're pretty surprised and excited about the whole thing. We only got off the waiting list last Friday so it's been a bit of a mad scramble to diagnose problems we thought we had months for in only two weeks.... But we're ready to make a splash and have a great time at Championships!

Personally, since Mark Leon is in and out of our and 254's lab all the time, and we love him, it would be great if he were our MC. But I think he only ever does Curie, so 469 and my school team 192 get him instead.

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

Just curious but does anyone know when they will release the pit map of the teams?

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Clearly you guys can tell I didn't do a close analysis of the event.

20's actually a pretty versatile robot, as they can play a decent midfield game as well. Never really at the level of 67 or 16, but they kicked a few balls up and over. They seeded 2nd at WPI despite code problems for the first half of the event, but with all this time they should definitely be at full performance.

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2415 is excited to compete and will hopefully (finally... iteration 3) be hanging!!!

Does anybody know if this match list is real? I didnt remember them publishing it before the event started, so I thought it might be a test pairing...

http://www2.usfirst.org/2010comp/eve...edulequal.html

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

If he's the one who dies his hair blue for Championship we definitely had him on Newton last year.

FYI Blair always does Galileo and I think Chiniqua did Archimededs until last year when unless I'm mistaken she didn't do a Championship field.

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Best of luck to all the teams.
I'll be watching on webcast... will be a great distraction during work :cool:

Oh, we should also try to be the other fields with our post count in this thread... Curie is in the lead right now, we're close behind.

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In this field, we're debating whether we should play the striking zone, or the defensive zone in Atlanta. We're pretty much the same as 20 and have been playing offense in Boston, but we're not sure what we should show off. Offense? or Defense?

Our autonomous get balls where they need to be but we generally like playing the front zone with our crab drive.

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

Akash,

You definitely looked strong in the near zone at Boston. I would say you could play a good near and far zone, particularly with your crab setup. You can keep the far zone clear of any balls and then move up into the near zone mid match or be the main striker depending on the alliance.

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I thought the Michigan state quals might go like the Atlanta quals: A lot of good teams trying to outscore their opponents. Then there comes the fact that teams may want to play some defense to show they can do it. Just like a team that has clearly been beaten by the finale that decides to hang. It gives the winning alliance another 4 points, but they prove to the scouting teams they can do it. Thoughts?

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

Chinequa (sp?) was on Curie last year. Pretty sure Mark Leon was Curie the two years before that though. Jeff Seaton did Newton in 07, don't know about 08

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Great to see so many great teams in Newton, this will be my first time going to the World Torny............. errrrrrrr and first time not watching an event on a webcast this season =P

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It has been my experience that teams often look for the overall capabilities of the robots they are scouting. If they show they can play defense well in one match, I know that our scouts write that down and bring it to the table during our discussions. So I would say focus on your teams strength and adapt to the match as need be. If this requires your robot to showcase another feature or strategic level of play, then I am sure teams will take note of that.

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Assuming this post wasn't a tactful reminder to the crowd that you can do both... :)

Play what you need to do every match, and do it well. If all goes well, you seed high. If it doesn't, then you're a flexible partner. If you treat qualifications like a talent show and not a competitive match, it'll show. I'd be more impressed with doing whatever it takes to win than your ability to convince alliance partners to let you take a position repeatedly, possibly at their own expense. Play your game, it's not a bad one.

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

I think MORTs ability to play offense greatly outweighs your defensive capabilities. Not that your defensive capabilities are bad, just I feel you are so much more an offensive robot than a defensive one.

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

342:

articulating 8-wheel drive train w/ 2 speed supershifters
front mounted spring steel kicker with 20' range
ablity to hang over the bump
"469" like ball return redirection
excellent pushing power, even against treaded bots



Newton this year has some of my favorite teams: 16, 343, and 1902 jump out at me. I still remember the onik onik boom m&m's 1902 gave us back in '08:D . We had some rotten luck the first couple weeks, but we are hoping to make a name for our self as a defensive bot to be recogned with.

I encourage everyone in Newton to stop by our pit or booth to learn about our Summer Pygames program. http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...light=team+342

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I am pretty sure that Chiniqua will be the MC for Newton this year.

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Thanks for the suggestions guys, its easier to get feedback from those on the outside looking in than deciding for yourself. :)

Definitely can't wait to see how this division plays out.

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Ignore 3176 at your own risk. They have been working hard to make improvements and will be a factor.


And we will be bringing an improved Igor to newton with stronger faster hanger totally new ball magnet and enhanced kicking ability.


See you all there.

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

Shhhh....


I was trying to leave at least a few darkhorses for late round picks ;)

Can't wait to see the goats!

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

Hi All!

Team 1727 is excited to join you all at Newton! Our robot flies, controls balls with tractor beams and can actually instantaneously transport all the balls into one goal, and that is all before we turn on the power.

Oddly enough we couldn't do all that until Dean Kamen signed our bot!

I have a few serious predictions though!

24 teams will make the elimination rounds at Newton. 3 will actually win the division. One rookie team will be awarded the highest rookie seed and team 1727 will have a blast no matter what happens!!!

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

It's always nice to get that team nobody thought about. We picked up 1398 in Palmetto (they aren't in Newton). As the #1 seed we had to find the darkhorse. 1398 and the #3 seed were twins. They had never been in an elimination, yet alone win, so I guess teams weren't looking their way. I'm glad we did:D

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

Just out of curiosity, where were you able to find that statistic?

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

All,

Team 971 is checking in. The team has been busy practicing and fine tuning our bot. We had Jag reset code issues at SVR, didn't chain up the rear roller and didn't use our kickers effectively and we only manage to score 130 goals plus in 16 games.

If McMaster Carr would only deliver the dilithuim crystals before CMP I think we will get our cloaking device online and you won't see us coming or going. :)


Drop by our pit and say hi or come and scout us during quals and you will be in for a treat.


Good luck to everybody.



Roy

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

I found that posted in the Whitepapers section. A kind volunteer grabbed all the data from US FIRST and compiled it into a worldwide ranking!

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2352

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

That's kind of neat, but teams that played in more than one regional are listed more than once, which makes the rankings a little... funny.

Also, I don't think he added +5 points per match won for those who competed in the first week. That single adjustment would move us from 353th to 63rd...

...so while it's cool, I think it needs to be taken with a bit of a grain of salt.

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

Yes. Karthik mentions this many, many times when he posts up this type of data.

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While it's not accurate by any standards, it's still kinda fun!

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It's going to be a blast. I appreciate the compliment about our goal scoring ability. We do have a kicker, too, but haven't had to use it a whole lot. Especially when teams like 67 or 2619 feed lots of balls up to us!

Our whole team is geeked for Atlanta. Does anyone know how many qualifying matches are planned?

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im thinking either 9 or 10

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Depending on how fast teams can get on and off the field for reset im guessing we might get up to 12, but that would be amazing speed or im just being over-optimistic

10 would still be amazing though for Championships :D

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When the divisions were being setup several of us were able to see a test schedule with everyone having 10 matches. It also was setup with a 6 minute turnaround for every match. Therefore, I don't believe that we will see any more than 10 matches particularly if there are any field issues.

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

I believe it but you can always hope lol :]

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Bill's Blog back in Octoberstated the goal was to get teams a minimum of 10 matches at all events. I would believe this is the number based on 85 teams to a division and the amount of time we have matches for.

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Usually at champs teams get 7 matches, but with the addition of Thursday matches 9-10 is most likely. Highly doubt there will be more than 10 matches, especially with the field problems we've been having (hopefully these problems will be non-existent).

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

The Test schedule that was posted before divisions were posted indicated 10 matches.

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Team 1922 is excited to be making it's first trip to Atlanta as Granite State finalist and Boston Regional winner. Last trip here was as rookie all-star. This time we are coming to play.

Tin Man is a powerful force from the midfield with a quick and efficient kicker with great mobility. Can't wait to play with the big dogs.

Also need to give a big shout out to the other Newton New Hampshire teams; 151 (Tough Techs), 166 (Chop Shop), and 1073 (The Force & Granite State regional winner!).

Look forward to a great competition.

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

Definitely very interesting! :D


And 10 matches would be great, especially when some Regionals only had 7/8.

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

I think NYC was the only one that had 8, everyone else had 9 or more. FIRST really tried to increase the qualification rounds for everyone this year.

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Israel I think had 3

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3 that counted. They had a full day before those 3, but the teams decided to throw those out due to the communication issues they had all over the place.

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

oh yea, we won the regional while playing 6 games only (tba's faking games :ahh: )

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Yep, he's got the blue hair. Well, it seems like we have a chance, then! Thanks for telling me.

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

I like your outlook. That's basically how we try to be at all our events, and it's worked pretty well so far!

Stop by our pits and say Callie sent you, and you might be able to get a tape measure and a glance at our pretty pretty bumpers. :D

Newton MC
 

The MC for Newton will be Chiniqua
You will also see Dave Verbrugge MC'ing on all the fields

Mark will be on Archimedes

Re: Newton MC
 

Mark told us a little fib then.:p
He said Curie.
That's 4 for 4 this season, we've had him as an MC!
Archimedes just got better!!

Re: Newton Division 2010
 

We're deciding whether we want to play an all-out offensive game.
We played mostly defense in NJ, and then switched to playing more offensively in NY, and did overwhelming better in NY.

We are currently working on improving our kicker (we will be quite busy Wed. night :p )