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50 states. With a team in each state (as far as I know), there should be 50 teams that are the best in their respective states. It'd be interesting to see what people from said states think about this. Michigan should be especially interesting.
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I'll take an easy state. 78 for RI. |
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HI - 359 DE - 365 |
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I didn't put criteria because I felt that different people would have different opinions, like Chairman's v. Regionals v. sheer consistency, and I didn't want to spoil the creative flow.
I have to agree about 78, especially since they're a new team. |
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Another tough one - 16 for Arkansas.
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Ill throw out a few "nominations" for Kansas:
935- Year in and Year out they build a solid competitive robot 1108- I did not have the privlege of seeing Paola compete this year, but they have a solid team that should be winning Chairman's for years to come. And also since I live a mile from stateline, I feel like I should be capable of naming a few Missouri teams. 1806- SWAT has had great robots ever since I started in FIRST back in '08 1730- One of 3 hot teams from the Lee's Summit school district they were the 11th seed in their divison at Championships and always make a good run for Chairman's. 1986- The 2nd of the Lee's Summit teams, If you were on Curie you will know them as the #3 alliance captain and finalist. 1987- The 3rd of the Lee's Summit teams, they had a great robot this year. If they hadn't run into intermitant drivetrain issues, they definately could have gone as far as either of the other Lee's Summit teams. |
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71- Indiana (never bet against beatty)
25- New Jersey 67- Michigan 1625 - Illinois 254- California 233- Florida 148- Texas Justification for 67: Most World Championship wins out of Michigan (three), Hall of Fame team, consistently win districts, regionals, and back to back World Championships. They've really cooked up a recipe for success :p (yes I just used that line). Justification for 254: Although 254 has not won a world championship like other CA teams. They're up to 20 regional wins and consistently appear on Einstein. I'll post more as I remember what the different states are. |
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My nominations for SC after 1 season in FRC:
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58 Riot Crew for Maine
190 Gompei and the Herd from WPI for Massachussetts 2370 iBots for Vermont 40 Checkmate for New Hampshire |
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Being a native Nevadian, I'd like to suggest 987 for Nevada
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My nominations for WV:
337 1249 2614 The only teams in the state, all of which have done fairly well at all of the regionals they've attended the past few years. Others can decide which of those is the best. |
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I would like to suggest 67 for MI:
3 world championships (2 in a row), more than any other Michigan team. Hall of Fame Won every event they attended in 2009 and every one except Michigan State Championship in 2010 - consistently good, even against tough Michigan competition. |
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Second the 987 in NV.
AZ: tossup between 39 and 60. I'd have to go with 39, though. (They're a continuation of 64, and 64 was never an easy team to beat.) 60's influence mainly comes from their collaboration with 254 back in 2004. SD is easy: There is no best team, because there isn't a team.:( (I've checked off and on the past 3 years. The first year, there was one. The last couple, there hasn't been one.) |
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Wisconsin is a really tough state as there are no real dominate every year teams. If going just by robot preformance, it is wide open. If going only by chairmans and other awards, I think 1714 would take it. |
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Massachusetts - 88
New Jersey - 25 Pennsylvania - 341 Canada (yes, it's a state.) - 1114 |
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1902 for Florida!
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Well for Canada I would actually say 188, even though they have not won at Championships, their team practically started FIRST in Canada and they are a perrennial powerhouse wherever they go and even Championships
And I guess I have to throw in 1592 for Florida ;-) |
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I'd like to mention 69 as well. They haven't been so big on a national stage because the typically don't attend the championships, but their robots have always been competitively dominant at a regional level. I still think their 2007 bot was in the top 5 for the whole country. |
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The fact that many of these choices are based solely on statistics or arbitrary selections is an indication of how FRC is much more prominent in clusters of space, but not as represented in every state as some would wish in any way. Two states do not have a single team:Nebraska and South Dakota. There is, however, stiff competition between teams to gain this title in many regions, such as the mid-Atlantic, Michigan and California. Perhaps this is not the best way to evaluate FRC or maybe it is simply an eye-opener. It is also possible I missed many teams but this is the least likely option. I think this survey just shows us how effective the district system could be in some regions like MI, while so ineffective in others, like anywhere outside of FL, PA/NJ/NY and CA.
FRC by state: Alabama-34 Alaska-1548 Arizona-842 Arkansas-16 California-254 Colorado-1332 Connecticut-236 Delaware-365 Florida-1902 Georgia-1771 Hawaii-359 Idaho-2122 Illinois-111 Indiana-71 Iowa-525 Kansas-1108 Kentucky-2856 Louisiana-1912 Maine-172 Maryland-768 Massachusetts-88 Michigan-67 Minnesota-1816 Mississippi-1421 Missouri-1806 Montana-473 Nebraska-N/a Nevada-987 New Hampshire-40 New Jersey-25 New Mexico-2196 New York-375 North Carolina-587 North Dakota-876 Ohio-120 Oklahoma-932 Oregon-997 Pennsylvania-103 Rhode Island-121 South Carolina-343 South Dakota-N/a Tennessee-547 Texas-148 Utah-2993 Vermont-885 Virginia-1086 Washington-488 West Virginia-337 Wisconsin-1714 Wyoming-1303 Brazil-1772 Canada-1114 Israel-1574 |
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No disrespect to 1902 but i would go with 233 for Florida.
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I think 343 pretty much dominates SC, and 1771 shows no signs of slowing down in GA. - Sunny |
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NY - 191 or 20
WA - 488 BC - 1346 ;) (but I mean it too) TX - 148 PA - 1712 VA - 116 OH - 48 or 279 or 379 SC - 343 FL - 223 (sorry, 1902) IN - 71, followed closely by 45 and 234 MI - 67, with a lot of good runners-up |
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These are more or less in order that they pop into my head.
MI - 67 CT - 177 FL - 233 MA - 126 NJ - 25 TX - 148 PA - 341 WA - 488 CA - 254 HI - 359 RI - 78 IN - 71 IL - 111 NV - 987 NH - 40 |
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I would like to have another nomination for the best Israeli team. And that is 2630 from Emek Hefer. I believe that in the past 2 years they had the most dominant overall performance in the regionals. Whether it was a great robot design or great communication with the other teams I believe that Emek Hefer currently is the torch bearer as the best Israeli team. |
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FL: 79
NC: 435 or 587 (although 3196 may be one to watch these next few years) VA: 1086 TX: 118 or 148 (Texas is big enough that it could be 2 states anyway) IL: 111 MA: 88 OH: 48 These are just teams which have stood out to me over the years... I feel a bit more qualified about NC and VA, as I am more familiar with teams from these states... I saw 79 and 48 compete at both NC and Champs this year, and both stood out to me at each (especially at NC)... I got to see 88 last year at VCU, and although I don't recall them being the best, they stand out in my mind... 111, 118, and 148 have always stood out to me as innovating teams which seem to consistently create incredible robots and ideas (WildSwerve, Red Line, Tumble Weed, Tornado...) I have always had a lot of respect for 1086... I have seen them perform at VCU for the last 4 years, and this year at NC and Champs as well... They have consistently put forth incredible robots, and have been able to win VCU for the last 3 years and NC this year (as well as Finalist on Galileo)... 435 has a rather impressive history, and I've seen them field some impressive robots over the years; 587's history isn't incredible, but they (like 88) have struck me as a team that I can't get out of my head... |
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The top Canadian team would definitely be from Ontario, and 1114 and 188 would be leaders in that category.
But there are very successful teams in other provinces, too, most prominently 296 in Quebec. In BC and Alberta it isn't hard to pick the top team in those provinces... we're the only team in BC this year, and 1482 is the top team in Alberta for a similar reason. Jason |
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I'm going to have to throw in 1540 for Oregon. Although 997 has won the regional twice, I'd point to our consistent EI and RCA wins as a counter.
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I have several picks for Colorado.
159--3 RCA wins, first Colorado team, fairly consistently in elimination rounds. 1158--Almost always in semi's(at least) at every event it goes to. Attends 2 regionals a year, which in CO, makes a big difference. 1332--Team that has probably made the deepest run in Colorado(divisional semi's, '09) |
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Although you can make a verrry strong case for 217,
I personally think that 67 is slightly more deserving based on there recent back to back world championships. |
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So far, I have only seen one person talk about Oklahoma-
which surprises me considering that it has almost 50 competing teams. My vote would have to go to 476 (wildcats) as the #1 team in OK. They are professional, a strong competitor every year (I believe this was the 1st year in their team history that they didn't make it to the finals at a regional), and mainly responsible for OKC having its own regional. (not to mention chairmans, and community work). They are an all around great team. But I will give an extremely strong honorable mention to teams 1742 (shockwave) and and 932 (circuit chargers). 1742 has been an Oklahoma power house team for a few years now, and do great things for their community. While 932 has always been a great example of what a FIRST team should be. They sat out during one of their matches this year, because they loaned a piece of their electronics to another team who needed it. If thats not gracious professionalism I don't know what is! (Love you Lane and Joe) :D |
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177 is extremely consistent in their winning championships/divisions. However, a lot of it seems to be on luck. They've won regionals a lot less than those. Their strategy cannot be beat and their robots are great, but there is a lot of luck there. Also, when goes by other things, 1124 has won a lot of non-regional-win awards. We have 1 RCA, an Entrepreneurship, some website awards, Rockwell a bunch of times, etc. So, one could argue we are more well rounded. Alright, shameless plug done. Thanks for picking us, @paragon571, but I still feel either 177 or 236. Maybe top five? :P |
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It's a nice little target to shoot for as another team in the state. ;) *Four years later in 2007, 1319 became the second team in the state to reach the big show when they won Galileo with 173 and 1902. They were eliminated in the semifinals. |
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For Wisconsin if you look at recent history it would go to probably 1714, but overall history has to go to 269 or 93, i think 269 has like 3 or 4 regional wins at least and 1 or 2 regional chairmans. 93 has 2 regional wins, a division finalist and several regional finalists as well ad many other awards, they lack in the chairmans area though. I know more about 93 seeing i am an alumni but 269 always found themselves at the right place every year i was in high school.
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Maybe I missed this, but I'm surprised no one has nominated 175 for CT... so I'm going to nominate 175 for CT. They're consistently high-performing all-around, and they live up to their HOF status always.
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For Virginia, I'd have to give it to either 1086 or 1522, probably with 1086 edging out 1522 by stint of being a bit more consistent. I think their both great teams, but they may have to start worrying about 3136 in the next year or two, if we can keep competing as well as we did this year.
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The reason I say the wins were attributed more to the driving than otherwise was because the robot was not used as originally intended (after WPI), when kicking was abandoned in favor of a jam-em-in-the-goals striker role, and at Beantown with a new driver the robot did not perform at the high level it did in CT and Archimedes. |
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269 has 3 regional wins but the last one came back in 2005. They do have a regional chairman's since then, but I'm not sure I would consider them dominate in any year since 2006 (when I joined FIRST). I also think 537 should be in the conversation for Wisconsin. 537 has won regionals in 07, 06, 05, 04. They also have a divisional finalist (05) and a regional chairmans ('10). Like I said before, Wisconsin is wide open. Also, 1732 is from Wisconsin. |
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For MA at least, I agree that it's probably 88. But teams such as 126, 155, and 69 all have done fairly well.
88 - They just seem to always build a great bot and be able to maneuver it effectively 126 - They're always a powerhouse and make a strong showing 155 - They've won the RCA a few times and always do well in competition 69 - We've built some pretty innovative robots, and it's true we don't go to the championships as much. Hopefully we can change that a bit :D |
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I want to nominate 1983 for Washington. Statistically, they've gotten a blue banner every year, including their rookie year, and are just as competitive as 488. I haven't interacted with Xbot much, but I know that 1983 has extremely helpful team members and mentors (and not just at the competition; year-round!)
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AL-34
AK-1548 AZ-39 AR-16 CA-254 CO-159 CT-175 DE-365 FL-233 GA-1771 HI-359 ID-2122 IL-111 IN-71 IA-525 KS-935 KY-2856 LA-1912 ME-58 MD-2377 MA-126 MI-67 MN-1816 MS-1421 MO-1806 MN-473 NE-(are there any teams? I'm not sure) NV-987 NH-40 NJ-25 NM-2196 NY-20 NC-587 ND-876 OH-48 OK-476 OR-1540 PA-103 RI-78 SC-343 SD- (no teams) TN-547 TX-148 UT-2993 VT-2370 VA-1086 WA-488 WV-337 WI-1714 WY-1303 Brazil-383 Canada-1114 Israel-1690 |
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Ohio should be 1038, especially if you include their kinda sorta former number 144.... Even without it, they'd stand alone as an awesome team and program.
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It's funny how there's no debate that 25 is the best of NJ. We have one of the largest pools of excellent veteran teams (not as large as Michigan, but you get the picture). Many of the other states are debatable but nobody has questioned 25's dominance of NJ. They're just very very good.
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after that there are a many teams vying for #2 (342, 1102, 1398, etc) |
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Just imagine what we could accomplish if all these great teams got together to work on a common cause. Hmmm- now there's an idea......... WC :cool: |
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Edit: It's also important to note that the Road Rebels (rookies from RI) did very well this year //to my knowledge, this post mentions ALL RI teams |
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I think what makes it hard in some ways to determine which team is the "best" from a state is because each teams looks up to another team. It is hard to name yourself as the best when you look up to another team! Just one reason why I love FIRST! :)
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342 had a bit of a fall out this year. Their robot was not up to their usual standards, but I can understand a off year, and I expect them to back really soon. 1319 is another team I'd offer second place to, but once again, they had a falling out this year, as their performance was as stellar as I'm used to seeing from them. But, I'm also sure that next year, they'll be back with style. But I wouldn't mind giving the second spot to team 2815. In '09, your rookie year, you went first pick of the first seed, and even this year, first pick of the second seed, and both times, you guys seemed to have carried the alliance through the elims. I can't wait for you guys to catch lady luck and take Palmetto, and I know that day isn't that far in the future. (And I know that this year, 1398 and 2815 collaborated closely. So, I guess 2815 and 1398 are kind of in the same slot.) - Sunny |
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2815 will soon be at the top of the list given their rookie and rookie+1 showings. So currently i'd have to put my list as 343 1319 342 2815 1102 If 2815 has another great showing at Palmetto next year the list for me easily becomes... 343 2815 1319 342 1102 These lists are for historical best teams in SC. The only reason I don't have 2815 at #2 now is just because they've only been in FRC for 2 years. |
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The Rhode Rebels DO deserve credit for their rookie performance this year. I knew their FTC team when they were just starting out a few years ago...and they really have got their act together. |
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im a bacon fan but 79 takes florida
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I'm making the case for 79 in FL.
Many regional wins, Multiple chairmans, Lots of Engineering Inspiration, And hosting TNT. Although they have not seemed to do as well at Championships as PINK I think it all balances out.... Florida has a lot of good teams, but 79 gets it. |
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The South Carolina Top 10
Average Awards Per Year Rank 1319 343 342 2815 1398 1102 281 1539 1758 1051 All Other Awards 1 Point Finalists 1.5 Points Regional Win 2 Points WC Finalist 2 Points Engineering Inspiration 2 Points Chairmans 4 Points If the above point system is applied there is a lead change. 343 1319 342 2815 1398 1102 281 1539 1758 1051 Interesting Side fact about 1319 since it is my team. We are currently the only team in SC that has a chance to win every award given out by first due to our stellar rookie year. |
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I'm going to take a stab at Texas. :)
My top 10 teams are: 148 624 704 118 57 1429 1477 231 418 922 I've only been in FIRST for two years and these teams always stand out to me every year. I feel 704 gets overlooked a lot because they had not won a regional until last year. (correct me if I am wrong please) Looking over their years, they have consistently made the elims every year at Lone Star. My team was shocked that they were still around when we picked them last year and I believe if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have won. ;) |
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Sorry Floridians, I just couldn't resist. |
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aw man, Ike, that hurts lol
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Who's Chad and what did he do?:confused: :rolleyes: :D
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For Florida I would have to say 1251, 233, or 1902, all for very different reasons.
233 is obviously the "Dominant" team from Florida on the national stage, However 1251 has simply dominated Florida since 2007. Since then they have only lost the regional once (to a certain green team ;)). 1902 is the best overall team I would have to say, who else cheers in the pits? from Hew Hampshire I would have to say 40 Mass 190(=p) or 126 probably RI 78(121) CT 177(pick the bobcats go to Einstein) CA 971 or 254 IN 71(duh) MI 67(again obvious) WA probably 1983 |
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179 and 79 have for a while now been the 2 best teams in Florida in my opinion. |
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For Australia, I don't think there is any question, 3132. :D
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I'm not saying that Pink isn't super awesome but they do have a tendency to build a lot of their bot in the pit at Florida and are not at the right level until after the event. And I think that though they are a huge part of the conversation for Florida, in my book their success outside of Florida doesn't count for much even though they have been on Einstein several times and have come so close to a national title. |
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I think that 3132 is the best team in our state, country and possible our hemisphere... ;)
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There are teams in Brazil and Chile, so you'll have to ask them about best in the hemisphere; I'll give you state and country, though.
I'll nominate 383 for Brazil; long record and pretty good. Not sure how many teams are in Chile, so no nomination there. |
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I'd nominate 360 for Washington State, based on student involvement and dedication. I don't know the intimate details of 488 or 1983, two other bots mentioned for Washington State, but I feel like 360 churns out some of the best team working, volunteering, engineers in Washington.
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I'd look at what the team has done in their history, and their continued excellence.
753 hasn't won any award, save for the regional finalist in Utah this year, since 2006. That's an entire generation of students through the program. If it were the drivetrain that were sustaining them, then they should see sustained success. 1540 is now in it's 6 year of competition, and has qualified for the Championship for the last 4 years in a row. Additionally, we're the only team from Oregon to win an award on the international scene (Website our rookie year). |
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Well, since SC is the state I know the best... I might as well take a crack at that :D I will look at the three teams that I think are vying for the top spot.
In total awards in the history of the programs (not including regional/division wins): 343- 26 1319- 22 342- 30 In the number of regional chairman's awards: 343- 2 1319- 0 342- 4 Regional/Division Wins: 343- 10 (including 2003 Curie Champions) 1319- 4 (including 2007 Gallileo Champions) 342- 1 Robot Engineering Awards: 343- 11 1319- 5 342- 3 So, if going mostly off of the robot performance, I think that we (343) are far and away the best team in SC. But if going mostly off of the awards, 1319 takes it (because they have had less years to get those awards and are catching up fast.) My top three from SC: 343 1319 342 Other states that pop into my head... FL: 233 AR: 16 GA: 1771 VA: 1086 IL: 111 MI: 67 CA: 254 AL: 34 TX: 148 NV: 39 AZ: 842 NJ: 25 NY: 694 RI: 121 |
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Since no one has really debated 67 being king in Michigan I'll throw a new name in the hat. 47.
There are few teams whose name is synonymous with FIRST. Chief Delphi is one of them. Not only are they the team that gave us this wonderful forum they are also the team that brought swerve to FIRST and are at least partially responsible for the NBD white papers. They are home to some of the most dedicated mentors you will find in FIRST. I can personally attest to the spirit this team has; I walked out of my very first event with my ears ringing from the cheering of this team. In my mind no team can compete with Chief for title of best team in Michigan. 47, now merged with 65 to become 51, is high on my list for most influential teams in FIRST. |
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78 split off of 121 this year, obviously if people didn't know that then it is easy to choose 121. I think that the 121 vs 78 debate comes down to one thing do you count the old 121 awards towards 78, keep in mind that most of 78's mentors were instrumental in 121 winning old awards, some of 78's mentors were 121 students going back into the 90's. If you count the awards for both teams then I would say that 78 is the best. If you don't then 121 would get the nod because 78 is still a new number. However I would expect going forward that 78 will be the cream of the crop in RI. |
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27- Tons of awards and Wins, along with Regional Chairmans, and WFA 33- Multiple regional wins and Chairmans, and many engineering awards 217-The second team to get two world championships, WFA, Regional Chairmans, Mutiple Regional wins.. When you hear, "Thunderstruck", you know the chickens are around! 469-Former World champs, Many regional wins, Tons of engineering awards *67 is still my pick for michigan, but it worth to look at these 4 other teams along with 47/65=51 |
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I hate to sound like a kill-joy, but I find this whole discussion to be slightly pointless. There will never be a way any of us can agree on the order or rank of teams. Even if we develop ranking systems, there are discrapencies in the results. Furthermore, there are circumstances relating to awards and regionals that cannot be explained.
After 7 pages of posts, it seems clear that the "best teams" are usually chosen off of whims, biases, or general perceptions. What is worse, we seem to be comparing teams of different ages! A team that has won a lot in the past, but has been falling in glory over the past 5 years is often put above a team that has explosive and tremendous success in their short existence. I wish I could see more discussion of current successes, rather than older reputations. As horrible as it might sound, we should be asking, "What have you done lately?" ::rtm:: |
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