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golf cart steering
i am not a robotics guy. i was directed here from "practical machinist forum". my son has recently been released from a hospital where he spent 7mo w/life threatening burns. he is now able walk some but has no use of arms/hands. he has given me the task of coverting his golf cart to foot/leg controls. (all reasearch on existing handicap stuff relates to hand controls only)
i need some suggestions for steering. linear actuators was mentioned but the supplier says no as they are 20% duty cycle. any ideas? thanks, cliff |
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Best wishes to you and your son.
A hydraulic ram steering system, typical on 4x4/off-road vehicles, would be very effective but are moderately complex and heavy. Could be foot-operated with either a lever or pedal. Where are you located? I would wager that you aren't too far from a FIRST team, and they would probably be willing to help you directly if you wish. |
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i'm near orlando, boy & cart are in virginia beach
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OK, so do we find you a team in Orlando, a team in Va Beach, or both?
Also, before we start: We are a bunch of practical guys, some engineers, some not, and a LOT of High School kids, here on this forum. You and your son need to be the final deciders if something is safe or not. OK, let's understand the problem: He has some use of his legs, but not his arms or hands. That means to me that he can use throttle and brake, but not steer. Is that right? Going on that assumption, if the right foot is go/stop, the left foot needs to be steering. Problem #1: How does the left foot control steering. That is, does one use a gas pedal type control (press for right, pull for left) or a side-to-side lever? I would hesitate for a push/pull arrangement, since a big bump could cause an inadvertent turn. But, think about your son's capabilities and let us know what you think. Problem #2: OK, we have some kind of input, how to we physically move the steering wheel? A linear actuator directly on the steering box sounds nice, but as you said most are really not suited for that - but check McMaster.com and Google for other styles that might be workable. Pneumatics are right out, since they can't hold a given position (Air compresses) Hydraulics are fine, but need a pump for pressure and some plumbing. You don't need a lot of power (= thin cylinder, maybe 1" or so), but the controlling is pure mechanical. Any of the above require a permanent modification of the cart, and people without a special skill can't drive it easily. Another idea is to install a sprocket onto the steering wheel, and use a motor to turn it via chain drive. Make a method of de-energizing the motor and anyone can steer it. Electronic controls are light and cheap. I like this idea the most so far. For a motor, look for a large servo motor. A servo motor is a special motor that provides feedback for its exact position. Using some basic electronics you can command it to, say, 7.2 degrees right and it'll go and stay there. The controls can take several forms, so as he improves different control schemes can be considered, not just a lever at his left foot. Thinking off topic a little, he might even be able to control this with his head - turn right to steer right, and so on. Does he have good control of his neck? OK, enough speculating for now. Let us know about #1. Oh yes, we also need to know a little about you: Your experience, skills, machining capabilities, and budget. |
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I can think of a couple ways to do this.
Foot steering could be accomplished by using a turntable (torsion spring return to center) that you put your foot and twist to turn, and having an absolute encoder or potentiometer give the feedback to a control system that controls the electric motor. The actual steering could be accomplished through an electric rack and pinion setup - you may be able to get one cheap off the net for existing cars. Or, conversely, you could make your own rack and pinion setup. Or, you could run a small motor in a transmission to a winch with wires running to the end of each A-arm. This is probably the simplest as you wouldn't have to worry about any type of mechanical alignment with the steering system and a rack. I'd also look at RC cars. They use a servo with a few simple lever-linkages for steering. You could do the same here, and use an electric motor with feedback through a small transmission as a pseudo-servo. Finally and probably the most simple would be directly turning the steering column with a motor through a small transmission. You could use a lever and a super-shifter transmission so that even has a neutral gear so that you could hand steer it! To tell you the truth - this is all something that many of the First Robotics team here could pull off with their machining facilities. Maybe you could even hit up someone for one of the old IFI control systems to program it all for you. Edit - it looks like Don and I had a lot of the same ideas, but I just thought of another one. Instead of a turntable, use a lever that turns, similar to the way the hand on a clock turns. Put a shoe-catch like they have on long-distance bikes that the toe of your shoe goes in. Then he rocks his ankle left to go left and right to go right. This would be easier than a turntable though it would work on the same philosopy. It would be pretty easy to make. |
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I think the most important part will be the user interface, not the implementation. Take the time to figure out what is most comfortable before moving forward. Assume that anything is possible (at(in?) first).
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http://www.velovision.co.uk/mag/issu...alneeds150.pdf
This is actually from a cycling magazine, but page six mentions hands-free steering and provides a web address. A similar interface could be used even if you keep the same steering mechanism, it could potentially be interfaced into the existing steering column with control cables. |
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With the turntable idea: Imagine if the steering wheel was on the floor. Wouldn't that be pretty good? Maybe that can be done with a sawzall or something relatively simple like that. But Eric's point is critical: What is best for the user? We need to hear more about that before we go much further. |
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how about 2 gas pedals, one for the left wheels, and one for the right, then you have a tank drive, it might require some major changes to the golf carts drive train
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Depending on the user's ability, and on the golf cart's steering column/body surrounding the steering column, I would actually go with putting a second steering wheel onto that rod at foot level, if at all possible. It's simple, it doesn't affect usability if he wants to be driven instead of do the driving, and it may actually be pretty cheap. |
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First, Does your son have no hand function at all? My father had a progressive brain disease that left his body frozen. We got him an electric wheel chair the hover 'round. Its joy stick interface is extremely well implemented and could be used if there is any hand function at all. Well engineered product. I have also seen wheel chair control for people with no body function implemented with a bulb for velocity. The harder you bite, the faster you go. Turning was controlled by head movement. You look at where you want to go. There are many commercial solutions on the market that would be safer and a whole lot easier than a golf cart kludge. However, even with insurance you will have to lay out some substantial money.
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Tiller grasped between the knees? would leave feet free for accelerator/brake, might be more natural to drive?
I'd spend more time seeing what's already available, most (but definitely not all) of the good ideas have been thought of.... |
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Velocity = (L + R) / 2Mainly because the cart can't turn in place, only in arcs. I would keep the steering control type as close to the original as possible (ie a turn-table would be fine because it is still a type of rotary interface that has a one-to-one relation with the cart's steering, like the original steering wheel) |
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It's simpler if you can just add a second steering wheel near foot level. |
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what about an arm or arms directly attached or geared to the steering wheel that allow it to be controlled by moving one's knee from side to side.
a Y shaped bar that straddles one's knee is both cheap and effective gearing could be used to amplify inputs, since a direct connection wouldn't be very agile without having to lift your knee, and then you wouldn't be able to operate the pedals. |
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I'm the one who steered Cliff to this site, so let's do what we can to help out. I'm sending Cliff the contact info for Patty Cook, who can no doubt hook him up with some of the team contact info.
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I agree, if there's a way to get him some aerobic exercise in the deal, it's good. But we don't want to tire him out just yet.
Instead of complex electric motors, sensors and and chains and stuff, maybe just a linkage between a foot plate for steering and the original steering shaft. Left foot steers, right foot gas/brake. Simple is usually best. Let us know how we can help. |
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well the aerobic thing is out as i found out he has no sweat glands (only on his butt which didn't get burnt) and has to monitor temp always.
looked @ the cart this weekend. 3turns lock to lock, using a rack/pinion connected to a bell crank. not alot of effort to turn. my thinking is a linear actuater connected to the bellcrank would be real easy but the duty cycle and the fact that it would not be easily converted back to manual operation is a concern coming from an automotive background i thought about splitting the mast jacket, adding a sprockett to the strg shaft, sandwiched between 2 collars and a chain drive to a wiper motor or window motor. bushing the driven sprockett and securing with a removable pin or a gear dog. that way it's easy to change for normal steering. fab a footpedal w/springs and stops to control range and effort. weld 2 pieces of bar stock forward and aft of center to operate a windlass sw (reversing sw) other issues: old style dimmer sw mounted on firewall (w/lighted indicator) for on/off. makeup for/reverse arm, hanging down w/handle for leg control lengthen the existing rail on driver side of seat and adding a safety net from rail to roof (driver unable to fasten seat belt, etc) enter from pass side what do you think, too easy? |
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The wiper and window motors we use (denso) do not have the torque to steer the vehicle. In addition, they are not built for continuos cycle and at high torques will trip out their internal thermal breaker. They don't have the rotational speed you would need to gear them down far enough and still have responsive steering. They also aren't terribly robust - they strip their worm gear out fairly easily.
Perhaps you could use one of our inexpensive "cim" motors which are quite powerful, durable, and inexpensive, and run them through a reduction transmission. I'd think that a ratio of 48:1 or a bit higher would be a good mix of speed and torque. You could do that with off-the-shelf transmissions here: http://www.andymark.biz/am-0141.html (3 stacker boxes) Or here: http://banebots.com/pc/P80K-nnnn-0005/P80K-444-0005 I would run an auto-resetting 40 amp fuse through the banebots transmission. The cim has 103 oz-inches @ 40 amps. That's 0.536 lb/ft of torque, and through the transmission will be 34 ft/lbs. (Someone can check my math if they like). That's a safety factor of 2 against the rating of the banebots gearbox. You could drive the steering with 35 chain from mcmaster, and simply have a foot control that turns the current on and off, left and right. |
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My suggestion would be to install a 2nd steering wheel at foot level, directly attach it via rubber belting (or chain) to the original drive shaft. BAM there you have it! This allows the cart to still be steered by its original wheel as well. Now if you want to get extra fancy with it, you could also attach the accelerator to the steering wheel. This will make the steering wheel act as the gas pedal. (ie. When he pushes in on the steering wheel, it causes the cart to accelerate.) This would allow him to use both feet for steering, instead of just his right or left and thus, makes it safer. <-just an idea |
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The problem you'd get with a second wheel is the lock-to-lock turning is 3 full turns. Most of the time, you'd only need a little bit of steering, but when making a tight turn, you can easily run into trouble. If that were done, I'd locate it off the drive shaft (structural addition may be needed) and link it 1:1 or maybe 1:1.5, then put a spinning flat knob on the additional wheel, equipped with a bicycle toe clip and most probably a heel jam of some form, to allow the driver to fully turn the wheel. Some buses have a small knob sticking up from the wheel; this would serve a similar function.
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wow everyone here has got great ideas, and i take no offense if you guys don't like my idea. how about a tank drive kind of system, two pedals, one on the left other on the right and each control its respectable side of the cart. (right controls right side wheels, vice versa). another parking brake kind of pedal can control forward/reverse drive. the problem i see here is this system is highly custom configuration and might cost big bucks. nevertheless its an idea! not very detail im afraid though haha. i wish the best of luck and recovery to you, your son and your family!
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Also, if my understanding of the lock-to-lock being 3 turns is correct, then couldn't you just make the "foot wheel" a smaller diameter then the main wheel to decrease the number of rotations it takes to hit its left or right limit? |
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i'll look into a "cim" motor as i am not familiar with it. on the other hand we use a bosch wiper motor for trucks & rvs that has 38 # torque and is 100% duty cycle.
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the Chiaphua Components Ltd. Industrial Motor (CIM):
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There are many motor choices here: http://www.robotmarketplace.com/prod...tors_main.html
Do you know what steering torque is required to turn the golf cart? |
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I'm thinking of two ideas:
1) gear welded around the original steering shaft, hidden under the body panels somewhere, driven by a worm gear on a CIM motor. Controlled by 2 buttons, left and right. 2) More complex, remove original transaxle from rear, run tank drive thru two transmissions, power wheels style, remove front steering altogether, install front wheels much like those on zero-turn lawn mowers. Same concept actually, just electrically powered instead of hydraulically. |
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I fully agree that the right input method is more critical than the mechanical actuation method. A turntable/floor wheel under the left foot feels like the right input solution to me. Fairly natural, easy to get on and off of, no strange input devices in the way elsewhere. Could even leave the normal steering wheel in place so it is still usable by anyone. The lower leg is pretty strong compared to hands and wrists, and should be able to duplicate the effort required for normal steering. The golf carts I've used steer very easily, so perhaps this could be tied directly into the existing linkage. If he has full strength in his legs then it really seems like there is enough strength in the leg to steer without an actuator or assist. But if some actuator or power assist is needed, why not borrow the power steering method for cars that is already highly developed and readily available? I'll bet a good mechanic or car hobbyist could select and adapt the power steering components from a salvage yard that would do the trick. Sounds like an interesting project, wish I had time for it myself.
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