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rahilm 16-06-2010 17:18

Hex Sprockets
 
We have some bad experiences with key shaft in the past, so we're looking to switch to hex. Looking online, I can't seem to find any supplier that sells 1/2" hex bore sprockets. Anyone know of a supplier?

sgreco 16-06-2010 17:23

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
I don't know of any. You could buy sprockets with smaller bores than you want then Hex broach the yourself.

gorrilla 16-06-2010 17:24

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rahilm (Post 966844)
We have some bad experiences with key shaft in the past, so we're looking to switch to hex. Looking online, I can't seem to find any supplier that sells 1/2" hex bore sprockets. Anyone know of a supplier?

You could bolt a sprocket onto on of AndyMarks hex-hubs.
What size sprockets are you thinking about?

rahilm 16-06-2010 17:28

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
We were thinking about doing the broaches ourselves, but thats $500+ for an arbor press, and then another $200 for the broach.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gorrilla (Post 966846)
You could bolt a sprocket onto on of AndyMarks hex-hubs.
What size sprockets are you thinking about?

For now we were looking at some pretty small sprockets, #25 chain, 22 teeth, about 1.75" diameter.

548swimmer 16-06-2010 17:36

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rahilm (Post 966847)
For now we were looking at some pretty small sprockets, #25 chain, 22 teeth, about 1.75" diameter.

Any reason you can't scale the sprockets up so that you can bolt them on?

AdamHeard 16-06-2010 17:38

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 548swimmer (Post 966848)
Any reason you can't scale the sprockets up so that you can bolt them on?

This is the ideal sprocket size and bore for a west coast drive.

254 and us make lots and lots of sprockets that size during season from the AM 22T #25 aluminum sprockets, we'd be willing to do a batch for you guys next season if you cover the cost. I'm sure 254 would as well.

rahilm 16-06-2010 17:42

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 966849)
This is the ideal sprocket size and bore for a west coast drive.

254 and us make lots and lots of sprockets that size during season from the AM 22T #25 aluminum sprockets, we'd be willing to do a batch for you guys next season if you cover the cost. I'm sure 254 would as well.

We're actually using it for a different purpose other than the drivetrain.

We can't scale up the sprockets because we have very little clearance, so anything even slightly bigger wouldn't work.

Chris is me 16-06-2010 17:49

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
I would either get a hex broach (Pretty useful over time if you make a lot of wheels and sprockets) or take up 973's offer. I looked around all last year and couldn't find any.

mikelowry 16-06-2010 17:49

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rahilm (Post 966847)
We were thinking about doing the broaches ourselves, but thats $500+ for an arbor press, and then another $200 for the broach.

Broaching can be done by hand with a lathe or even a drill press if you have one of those.

Andy Baker 16-06-2010 18:02

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rahilm (Post 966847)
For now we were looking at some pretty small sprockets, #25 chain, 22 teeth, about 1.75" diameter.

We are getting many requests for these hex-broached sprockets. We will start offering these early this fall or later this summer.

Sincerely,
Andy

MrForbes 16-06-2010 18:30

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
I like Andy's solution :)

but $500 for an arbor press....hmmmm.....

http://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-a...ress-1666.html

R.C. 16-06-2010 19:01

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 966858)
I like Andy's solution :)

but $500 for an arbor press....hmmmm.....

http://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-a...ress-1666.html

And you have enough money left over for a 1/2" broach. It is extremely handy to be able to broach in house. :D

-RC

rahilm 16-06-2010 19:30

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 966858)
I like Andy's solution :)

but $500 for an arbor press....hmmmm.....

http://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-a...ress-1666.html

All the 1/2" broaches I'm seeing online are almost a foot in length though, so I'm not sure how that would work with that press, since it has 4" max working distance.

MrForbes 16-06-2010 19:38

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
It would take some extra work, you'd have to move the press plate down to start, and then move it up as you go. Or make some different length rods so you could just add them as you go. They have some larger presses that give you more room to work, although any hydraulic press with a bottle jack has a relatively short stroke. You could replace the jack with one from an engine hoist, although the cost goes up.

Cory 16-06-2010 21:15

Re: Hex Sprockets
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 966858)
I like Andy's solution :)

but $500 for an arbor press....hmmmm.....

http://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-a...ress-1666.html

It doesn't look like there's any possible way to get enough travel out of that thing to start the broach.

The hydraulic ram arbor presses are terrible for hex broaching, for a number of reasons.

We used one in 2007 and 2008 and always experienced mediocre results.

The ram is not supported in any meaningful manner on most presses (likely to just involve two tubes running inside two other tubes, leading to a lot of slop. With hex broaching the alignment of the broach to the workpiece is absolutely critical and this slop killed any chance of the broach running true.

It's also a huge pain to have to constantly be raising the table and cranking on the jack. They're really the wrong tool for the job. Nobody needs a 6 or 12 ton press for FIRST purposes.

Mechanical presses in the 2-3 ton range can be had for $150-200. We bought a nice Palmgren 5T press a few years ago for $300 something on sale from Enco. It's definitely worth spending a bit more money to get a quality arbor press. It's such a useful tool. We use ours multiple times per day during the build season.


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