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Andy Baker 12-07-2010 16:44

pic: IRI winner's trophy
 

dodar 12-07-2010 16:46

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That is by far the best trophy I have ever seen, I think it even beats that other soccer trophy which will not be named...

Dkt01 12-07-2010 17:00

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Great idea for a trophy. Well done, too.

IKE 12-07-2010 17:05

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Should the winners be careful of any rubber feet on the bottom?

Very nice!

Foster 12-07-2010 17:34

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GoooooaaaaaaaLLLLL!

I can't wait to see it in person.

Akash Rastogi 12-07-2010 18:28

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Mark Koors is amazing.

Karibou 12-07-2010 19:36

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Ooo. That's pretty, very pretty. Great design, Mark.

I'd be scared of breaking it, though D:

sanddrag 12-07-2010 19:43

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I wouldn't mind seeing a pic of the inside, and what all those screws attach to.

Karthik 12-07-2010 20:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 968850)
I wouldn't mind seeing a pic of the inside, and what all those screws attach to.

Same. Just using a bit of combinatorial geometry, my guess is that what you'll find is a webbing that is essentially the dual graph1 of the of soccer ball. Since a soccer ball (or Buckyball mathematically speaking) is a polyhedron of pentagonal and hexagonal faces with vertices of degree 3, the resulting dual will be a polyhedron with only triangular faces, with vertices of degree 5 and 6. These vertices look to be the insertion points of the screws.

All that being said, the webbing might be constructed differently than the perfect dual graph to allow for easier assembly and construction. Alas, what is perfect and elegant in the mathematical world, rarely works in the real world.

1. In graph theory, a dual graph of a given graph G is a graph which has a vertex for each plane region of G, and an edge for each edge in G joining two neighboring regions. This theory can be extending into 3D polyhedra geometry.

Chris Fultz 12-07-2010 20:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 968855)

combinatorial geometry

essentially the dual graph1

a polyhedron of pentagonal

hexagonal faces with vertices of degree 3

a polyhedron with only triangular faces

vertices of degree 5 and 6


Karthik, please sit with me at IRI and explain what all of this means. I assume it is Canadian for "soccer ball"?

:)

Andrew Schreiber 12-07-2010 20:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 968856)
Karthik, please sit with me at IRI and explain what all of this means. I assume it is Canadian for "soccer ball"?

:)

Actually, I had one of my roommates translate it.

Spoiler for Translation:
I'm a nerd.


(Actually, I am wishing that the prof who was most familiar with graph theory wasn't off campus at the moment, I'm very curious too)

IKE 13-07-2010 16:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 968855)
Same. Just using a bit of combinatorial geometry, my guess is that what you'll find is a webbing that is essentially the dual graph1 of the of soccer ball. Since a soccer ball (or Buckyball mathematically speaking) is a polyhedron of pentagonal and hexagonal faces with vertices of degree 3, the resulting dual will be a polyhedron with only triangular faces, with vertices of degree 5 and 6. These vertices look to be the insertion points of the screws.

All that being said, the webbing might be constructed differently than the perfect dual graph to allow for easier assembly and construction. Alas, what is perfect and elegant in the mathematical world, rarely works in the real world.

1. In graph theory, a dual graph of a given graph G is a graph which has a vertex for each plane region of G, and an edge for each edge in G joining two neighboring regions. This theory can be extending into 3D polyhedra geometry.

In layman's terms: Pretend the bolt heads are dots. Connect the dots. Some dots have 5 connections, some have 6. It makes a pretty cool shape made of triangles.

Andy Baker 13-07-2010 17:16

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After ignoring much of the silliness of what was posted above, we just took a picture of the ball without the blue glass pieces.

The inside structure is made from 2 polycarbonate hemispheres, each 1/16" thick.

Andy B.

(edit... on second thought, I could post something similar to Karthik's convoluted solution and said that we used some 7-axis CNC welding process to do this. But, I didn't. :) )

Karthik 13-07-2010 18:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Baker (Post 968894)
After ignoring much of the silliness of what was posted above, we just took a picture of the ball without the blue glass pieces.

The inside structure is made from 2 polycarbonate hemispheres, each 1/16" thick.

Andy B.

(edit... on second thought, I could post something similar to Karthik's convoluted solution and said that we used some 7-axis CNC welding process to do this. But, I didn't. :) )

Sorry for injecting some interesting math (well, at least interesting to me) in to the discussion. In the future I'll restrict my posts to drivel like "OMG. That's sooooo cool!" :P

Anyways, here's a picture I found on the web that illustrates what I was talking about with the dual. (Found on a combinatorial geometry course website at Merrimack College)



Clearly too complicated to fabricate, but still pretty cool. (Or just general ignorable silliness. :) )

JaneYoung 13-07-2010 19:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Karthik (Post 968901)
Sorry for injecting some interesting math (well, at least interesting to me) in to the discussion. In the future I'll restrict my posts to drivel like "OMG. That's sooooo cool!" :P

I thought it was great, Karthik. It's about time some of our younger members and some of our newer mentors had this opportunity to read some of your thoughts/thinking/posts.

And... I followed some of it so I know that people who understand/grasp math concepts much better than I do would appreciate it with a greater and deeper understanding.


Jane


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