[FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

With the end of IRI it's time to start signing up for season four. Sign on up. Before you do a disclaimer:

Please make sure you have the time to devote to 50+ drafts within a one month period while I'm not going to require 50+ lists because I don't even know what weeks the regionals are on but what I will do is if you miss five drafts in a row (that means if you don't make one pick or have sent me a list) you will receive a PM from me. If I don't receive a timely response (24 hours) you are booted from the league! Trust me I'm very serious about this. Every year I have booted 25 to 40% of the league every year due to delinquency. I put alot of my own personal time into this and I can't stand having it wasted so if you really can't find the time don't bother signing up. Seriously.


1. Koko Ed

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I'm definitely in and will likely be able to help with drafts and scoring again

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock

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1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow

I'm ready. Kevin, did you finish the changes to your program?

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I was wondering when this would get started up so I could join again. I should update my scouting base before the drafts roll around.

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack

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I don't want to clog up this thread with discussion on that so I'll respond here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=86162

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I'm in again. Should be a bit more better at it.

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In

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Me too

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1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar

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Sign me up!

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1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill

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I'm game, after taking a year off from FF.

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger

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Idea: A week before the first draft can we have everyone who signed up post again to confirm their participation?

Lemme know if you need help running a draft.

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Confirm, or send a pick list for at least one event.

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1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH (who will take on the draft-running and scoring again--error-checking too. :) )

Good idea: If you are intending to be an active participant, subscribe to this thread and set it for updates every week or so. Reminders in your email and all that.

Obligatory scoring reminders:

Coopertition Bonus, 2 points ( Win)
Tie, 1 point
No bonus, 0 points (Loss)


Win, 30 points
Finalist, 20 points
Semifinalist, 10 points
Quarterfinalist, 4 points

1st seed, 20 points
2nd-3rd seed, 12 points
4th-8th seed, 6 points
9th-12th seed, 3 points
13th-16th seed, 2 points

WFFA, 8 points
RCA, 42 points
EI, 36 points
RAS, 20 points
Rookie Inspiration, 15 points
Coopertition Award, 10 points

Highest Rookie Seed, 5 points
High score, 5 points
Judges Award, 5 points
Robot-based award (Delphi, Xerox, GM, Rockwell), 15 points
Dean’s List, 4 points

Any award not previously mentioned, 2 points

And by the way, Ed is not kidding when he says he'll kick you out. If it's the last draft of the main drafting window, and you haven't responded to that PM about missing 5 drafts in a row, every other player will be grabbing your good teams at the end of that draft day!

Other miscellaneous (for first-timers): drafts are 3-team drafts, run serpentine style 1-n, n-1, 1-n, at varying time intervals. For drafts where there are not enough teams for all players to get 3, players will be broken into as many tiers as needed to get everyone three teams.

*stops talking about the fine details and starts checking over secret weapon of graciously professional FF doom*

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I will take my first shot at this.

Thanks Ed,

-RC

*I can help with running drafts if you need a body*

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Is there a deadline to sign up? I want to do it, but I'm not sure I'll have the time to create all the lists. If possible, I would like to sign up a couple of days before the first draft, once I have several of the lists done.

I also have one suggestion. One thing that kinda annoyed me last year was the mad rush to pick up booted people's teams. I think those people get WAY too much of an advantage just because they posted first. Perhaps, we can make it that you must drop the team from that round or the following round. So, if you pick up the drops persons 1st round pick, you must drop either you first or second round pick (depending on the rule). This way you have to give up some value for an elite team, instead of just your last pick.

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I'd prefer this rule - if a team is picked from the randomizer, any other player can pick that team as if they weren't assigned to that player. If a player picks a team previously randomly assigned, the player getting the random team picks up the next one.

Basically, I see no reason to reward sheer dumb luck.

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The deadline is the day before the first draft.

As for picking randomly assigned teams...

In order to allow random teams to be picked after being assigned, the fact that it was a random pick needs to be noted. Sometimes, the next team on a player's list is also the next team on the random list, or the player requests a random pick. Either of the latter two cases would naturally bar the team from being picked again, as the second is effectively saying, "my list from here on is the random list". If truly random picks are designated with an "R" or something, it would make tracking that easier. It would also allow for tracking who has not made a pick that particular day.

As for dealing with a mad rush, that's going to happen anyway.

Here are my suggestions:

After a draft concludes, a 24-hour wait (until the next day's drafts end) is imposed before any changes can be made in that draft. During that time, random picks may be confirmed by the player, and errors are checked for. Trades posted during that time are counted as provisional; i.e., assuming that nobody confirms random teams. After the hold expires, all provisional trades are confirmed. Confirming a random team counts as making a pick, with the provision that simply confirming some X random alliances (>= 5) is dealt with the same as missing 5 drafts.

In the case of someone being booted, there is a hold imposed until the beginning of the next day's draft(s). This allows the runners to clean up the drafts involved, and all other players to plan for what teams they want. As soon as the next day's drafts officially begin at 7 EST (or other designated time), it's first-come-first-served. PMs may be sent to proxies if a player will not be online at the time of the draft beginning; if the proxy can get there before the other players, so much the better.

Just some suggestions.

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One idea: Don't assign random picks on the spot, but after the draft has concluded. That way the first guy who didn't send in a list doesn't randomly pick up 111 or whomever, and it still allows lazy people like me to make incomplete lists.

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This is the only idea I like. Instead of a random team the player gets ____, they can arrive later and change it out or after the draft it will be filled randomly.

I don't like the locks on the drafts until the day before the competition.

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You mean after, right? As in, after the draft? Because if you didn't read it that way, then I think you're misunderstanding me.

I'm not sure I like the blank spaces idea. Could it be done? Probably. But let's say that Elgin Clock is playing and says, I want all random picks in the Hawaii Regional. Do you a) give him random teams in the draft while it is still going on, or do you b) wait until the end, when the random list is mostly empty and has no good teams left on it? Either way, somebody's going to be unhappy about it.

[Note: I'm picking on Elgin because he has the tendency to make random picks late in the season; no other reason.]

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At the risk of overwhelming this thread with a bunch of different suggedtions I'm going to throw mine into the mix.

I recommend leaving the random team system the way it is. It still penalizes players for missing drafts and does so much more severely than systems in other fantasy sports which assign the next highest player on a projected points list.

My idea for team pickup is to institute a waiver wire. What this means is that each player is assigned a waiver priority. The initial priorities would be reverse order of finish from last year's season league with new players inserted at the top in random order. When new teams are added to events or a player is booted the team will be placed on waivers. A team remains on waivers for some set period of time (probably 24 hours) where players can submit waiver claims, then the team gets processed. The player with the highest priority that puts in a claim is awarded the team. That player then moves to the bottom of the priority list. If a player wants to make multiple claims during one waiver period they must list the order they want their claims processed in. If a team passes through waivers with no claims they become free and anyone can pick them up at any time.

Reading my explanation, it sounds really confusing, but the system is really not quite as complicated as it sounds.

The waiver priority list and claims would all be handled in one thread which I would volunteer to handle.

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I'm in (also for my first season).

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So, what you're saying is that new players and players who did poorly last year get first crack at newly available teams. Anybody who wants X newly available team submits a claim, then the team goes to whoever has top priority and wants them. If you claim a team successfully, you're automatically at the bottom of the priority list--and if nobody wants a team during the waiver period, they're designated a free agent, first-come-first-serve.

I like it.

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1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou

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Yep, that summary is pretty much right on. We can tune the waiver period to make it closer to first come-first serve or closer to giving good teams away to players that haven't performed as well to help balance things.

For the small number of inseason changes that happen, the priority would likely be the inverse of the standings as of that week.

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I was thinking more like this:

newly-available team: Any team that becomes available for any reason more than X time after a draft (say 24 hours--that's usually enough time to settle down any post-draft trades).

During the drafting/build seasons, newly-available teams go through the waiver process as outlined above.

During competition, the priority is based on number of missing teams, and current standings (each missing team being equivalent to Y leapfrogs higher up the list, and standings in reverse order).

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The problem is that it penalizes the people diligent enough to actually care who they draft too. I don't see how replacing a team with a blanked out square for a half hour will kill the drafts.

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If someone is making a lot of random picks, they'll probably get the boot anyways. If someone simply missed a draft due to unforeseeable circumstances, then they'll be much relieved that they got a good team. Or, what's more likely, they ran out of teams on their list and will take whoever, so it's not like the teams are going to be the greatest anyway. If 111 slips to the third round of a draft with one or two random teams, and gets picked by the randomizer for somebody, there are much worse problems than the randomizer!

I fail to see how replacing a team with a blanked-out square will help anything at all.

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I just feel that giving people that miss a draft the absolute bottom of the barrel is too harsh.

I don't see the randomizer as penalizing people that show up, the randomizer will never be better than people who are actually putting time into their lists over the number of events in this league. What the randomizer does do is give some chance of getting a decent team or two if you miss a draft for whatever reason. For example, I missed one draft all of last season because I fell asleep before the draft and had forgotten to send in my list, the randomizer helped soften the blow a little by giving me at least one team I held onto.

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I would like to hear Ed's take on this.

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In for now.

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller

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As for issues:
1) There needs to be a better method for when people are dropped from the league than who can hit enter fastest. In a sports fantasy league there are "undroppable" players to prevent people from having first round draft picks all over. It is also quite unfair when there are multiple tiers and one ends up with 10 people and the other ends up with 5. I know, I benefited from this multiple times.
I don't think the waiver line quite addresses this, particularly when there are an unbalanced number of people in each.

A proposed solution: Break people into actual tiers (maybe 6-8 people each) that you always draft against. For instance, perhaps Barry and Kevin would always be tier 1 and Eric and I are always tier 2 (for this year). Base it on previous years' (note plural) initially. After that, have promotions/relegation at the end of the year like soccer in Europe. Maybe the bottom two drop a tier and top two go up a tier. That way a lot of the issues are solved. Folks in tier 1 and probably 2 at the least will not have people dropping, missing lots of drafts, etc.
Even if someone drops from a tier, you are not going to have a major advantage (see below for a couple of ideas on what to do with the teams).

Potential issue: is only tier one in competition for "awards"? (you probably can't use overall point total, particularly if the number of people in each tier is unbalanced)
Maybe have this for the "regular season" and then for the "postseason" (MSC, Championships) have a mass event.


2) "New teams" - I like the waiver wire approach here, but I think that the team needs to be announced in the draft that it has been added once it is noticed with 24 hours or so after the announcing to claim the team.
Issue: two people claim a team... who gets it.
The issue I have with the proposed waiver line is thus: 1) I was first in line, but yesterday 1816 showed up as an option for Wisconsin. Knowing it would be an upgrade, I grabbed them. Today, 67 showed up as an option for Kettering. I have no chance of getting them now. 2) I just grabbed 1816 for Wisconsin. Now I can lay a claim to any team I want with no repercussions to my waiver line position until someone actually grabs a team.

Also, who is going to keep track of the waiver line order and how will it be done? With random tiers, two people grab 67, who gets put last on the waiver line?

Proposed solution(s): I like the idea of different levels of claims. For instance in case 1, I am willing to grab 1816 at a level three, but 67 at a level one. If someone wants 1816 at a level two, they have a higher priority, but if I am first in line at level one, I get 67 even if I just got 1816. The issue is this is even harder to keep track of.
Maybe you have to give up a team in the that draft and the person with the highest offer (in terms of draft position) gets the new team, but drops the old team. The newly dropped team then has the same procedure. Only issue is that changes close to the add/drop deadline are very difficult. This might not be a big issue though.
I think overall, I like the second method better. It can also be used when someone quits the league or is kicked out.

3) Random picks. I am fine how things went this season for the random picks. Yes, it sucks when the random pick before is what you want, but it is very rare.
If it is a major sticking point, perhaps for the first round only, leave the space blank until the end of the round and then fill with a random. I would want to leave an exception there for someone who specifically says random, whether via PM or in the draft thread. It might be because they have looked and are okay with what they see.

Just some ideas.

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I know that I do my best to have the same number of people in each tier when running a draft. Having the same number of people in each tier in every draft is well-nigh impossible.

We did used to run where players X, Y, and Z could expect to be all in the same tier, given the same number of tiers. It was determined that more people seemed to like completely random, so that was switched to. (Something about always getting stuck with Barry or Kevin in your tier being, well, annoying, to say the least.) The main reason the tiers changed size was that people dropped out. Some tiers were decimated due to the first 5 drops randomly winding up there.

We've had the promotion/demotion idea proposed before. Ed declined it, saying that if someone wanted to run it that way, then they could start their own league.

The idea with the waivers is that, whenever somebody drops or a new team is detected in the list, any teams affected would go on waivers, with waiver priority given to lower-ranked players (higher on the priority list) and the addition announced.

To address your issues with the waiver idea:

1) If you want to make multiple claims before a waiver period expires, go right ahead and specify which one is to get priority. Let's say that 1114 enters Los Angeles and 67 enters Arizona later the same day. You claim both, and I claim both, but you specify that 67 is to take priority and I specify 1114 as top priority. As long as the waiver period has not expired for team X when team Y is claimed, if Y is specified as a priority, then Y would go to you instead of X.

2) Pretty much. That's a problem? If they're any good, somebody farther up the list will claim them. (Look, if 1114 passes through an entire waiver period without being claimed except by the person on the bottom of the priority chain, then that person deserves to get them, because nobody else is awake!)

Two people in different tiers grabbing the same incoming team: maintain current list order would work pretty well.

I was thinking that any teams dropped as a result of waiver trades should also go on waivers, but free-agent (pool) trades would be pretty much unregulated, the same as previously. Specify the waiver trade team (i.e., 67, 111, 16 are your alliance in Midwest, and 1114 becomes available, you specify that you'd ditch 111 to pick up 1114).

As for who would run the waivers, Kevin has volunteered, and I can assist as well (hey, I'm the guy who's always looking for missing teams, why not add new teams?).

Two things to remember: 1) any teams not claimed off waiver go into the pool.

2) Unless and until Ed says to go for it, all the talk we're having is merely speculation.

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All who are running it have done a great job of keeping things as close to even as possible initially. The people dropping with random tier assignments is not the league's fault - it happens. I just wonder if there is a way to make this issue less of an impact.
I wasn't clear about the assigned tiers. I was only thinking of using that in a promotion/demotion situation (I think I put the cart before the horse there). Without that, I would agree that it is best to stay random.

How are the rankings determined, particularly pre-competition season? A random initial followed by going to the back of the line? Does this change to order based on points during the season?


I think I was a bit unclear. So, 1816 decides to join the Wisconsin regional. I was in front of the line. I know they are a good team - good chance to make eliminations, win an award, maybe go deep in eliminations, but they are by no means a perceived guarantee. They are probably a second round draft or maybe late first depending on who is at Wisconsin. They are a clear upgrade over my third round pick. I pick them up, moving to the back of the line. The day after I pick them up, 67 decides to join Kettering. Obviously, they are a first round pick anywhere. Now I am at the end of the line though with no chance of getting them.

So now people clam up and wait for the next powerhouse team. Will 111 go to Boilermaker? 217 to FLR? 330 to Arizona? etc While waiting, the last person is just happily upgrading with teams like 1816 that are upgrades, but not powerhouses. I know an 1114 type team will not make it to the end of the waiver line (unless everyone ends up in a day long coma), but what about teams that are very good teams, but not powerhouses?

Personally, that is what I like about the pseudo-auction. The only issue is that it could lead to a long string of "auctions" if an exceptionally strong team shows up.

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Count me in! I'm excited and slightly scared at the hardcore-ness of fantasy FIRST.

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The last day to sign up would be Tuesday November 30th though I'm leaning to start the drafts a little earlier on Friday the 26th of November.

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If you guys think the whole waiver thing is more fair than the first come first serve basis then by all means let's try it.

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1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi

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I think that it'll result in a closer, more fun end result. It'll also slow down the mad scramble every time somebody drops...

To answer some of RMiller's questions: Initial position would be determined by final overall score from last season (all regionals + MSC + Championships), highest score at the bottom. Newcomers would go to the top, in random order. (NOTE: I would also go with using IRI scores for anybody competing in the IRI FF league that did not compete in Season Long last year.)

During the season (i.e., after competition begins) the most recent scores would be used, should a team go onto waivers. Waiver times would most likely be shortened from whatever is used during draft and build seasons.

You do raise a good point; however, I would like to note that no waiver time has been set yet. It could be a week, it could be an hour. 1-2 days is probably what we'll go with. The decision, in the end, will have to come down to the drafter's strategy. (Also note that it's pretty rare for a powerhouse to suddenly change where they're going.)

Going with the scenario where somebody at the bottom is busily upgrading with mid-level teams while everybody else waits for powerhouses, if they do that, more power to them. It wouldn't be too hard to impose an extra restriction: Last (or last X) person on the list can't participate in the next waivers.

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Can someone make a short and concise post explaining exactly what the change in procedure is to me? I see a lot of back and forth but it's very hard to follow and understand exactly what's going on.

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Waiver process: A newly-available team (one that is free as a result of being a late addition, or a player dropping out) goes on waivers for X time. During that time, anybody in that tier can put in a claim for that team. A priority list is kept of all the players--highest priority to claim a team gets them, drops a team, and goes to the bottom of the list. The now-free team goes on waivers as well (possibly). Unclaimed teams go into the pool as free agents.

Details to be sorted out:

• time of waiver claim period
• how to keep somebody on the bottom from continually upgrading without worrying about position

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Now if you do pick up a waiver team, do you get to pick who you drop or is it a team of equal avg round pickup? (i.e. your alliance: 148, 111, 1986 but 1114 joins regional, can you drop the 3rd pick or do you have to drop 148?)

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My opinion would be you can drop whoever you want. It could get quite messy determining what round is equivalent when mid-level teams are handled, just because 1816 is a solid round 1 at Northstar doesn't mean they are at Wisconsin as an example.

With regards to people near the bottom of the priority list upgrading with a bunch of midlevel teams, I think this is just another strategic aspect of the competition. You have to evaluate where you are in the order and decide on whether or not the upgrade is worth risking something better coming up later on.

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Count me in!

Definitely going to make and send in lists this year for a larger percentage of the regionals so I don't get hammered weeks 4 and 5 due to not having time to attend all of the actual drafts.

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1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625

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1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt

You know what, I'll take a shot at this. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing (based on talking with other people and looking at the FF IRI thread), so let's get 'er done!*

*Note: In no way do I mean to offend those of the other gender, hence the lack of the missing letter.

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Why not. As a head scout, I have the data, and this IS what I enjoy...

What is the time between when the list for regionals/districts are announced and when we pick?

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. Zach O

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We usually start drafting on the first of December. A schedule will be announced when the event dates are made public.

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A head scout with data on the future is a head scout worth getting to know. :P

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By tradition, the first of December is the first day of drafting. Ed has indicated that that might be moved up to right around Thanksgiving weekend.

As a reminder, you do not have to show up to every draft, but missing 5 drafts in a row means you get a warning PM; missing the next draft means that you are out of the league and your teams become available (via the waiver process, if we are indeed still planning on doing that).

Lists are accepted for all drafts; send them to whoever is running the draft and let Ed or myself know that you've sent them in (or send us a copy). This is so we don't say, "Hey, so-and-so hasn't shown up in 5 drafts" when you've really sent lists in to Vikesrock for two drafts that he's running in the middle.

I've started a separate thread to discuss some of the details of the waiver process before the season starts; it's at http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...344#post970344

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It would be cool, but by no means required, if someone could link me and others to a list of teams for each event. It's really hard to find a list of just team numbers instead of a list with numbers, full names, cities, etc.

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Chris, you should check out frclinks.com made by WFFA Pat Fairbank. for example, teams at wisconsin in 2009 would be found by going to frclinks.com/e/wi/2009

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Easiest way I've come up with is to copy/paste the FIRST team list into Notepad. Then load the txt file into Excel. This will put the team numbers all in a single column. From there you can either work with them in Excel or copy/paste or export them back to a txt file.

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Thanks for the tips guys.

Here's a probably silly change: So you know how the first round is 6 times as important as the second and third in nearly every draft? Why don't we do "1-x x-1 x-1" picking instead of "1-x x-1 1-x" picking to compensate?

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It's actually pretty easy to put together a good alliance from the middle/bottom of the order, if you know what you're doing. I ended up #7 (out of 22) last year pre-championships despite having mid-bottom picks most rounds, #6 if you include the Championships (where I picked #7 in all 4 drafts).

This despite using standard serpentine...

By the third round, most people are either out of teams on their list, or don't care between two teams, so why not go 1-x in round 3?

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Last year was fun! I'll play again this time. Thanks in advance to Ed and all the others who run drafts, score events, etc.!

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. Zach O
18. Jamie Kalb

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

A couple of updates from the waiver discussion:

Waiver periods will be no shorter than 48 hours from when a team is posted here as attending, but no longer than midnight of the following Sunday (if a Sunday midnight falls before the 48 hours, the team will carry over to the following Sunday). This gives plenty of time to see that 1114 is now going to DC or 46 has finally decided to go to the Magnolia Regional and get a claim in.

During the time between a draft ending and midnight that night, no team will be sent to waivers, unless their owner was kicked out of the league (or dropped voluntarily).

PMs or open posts will be acceptable as waiver claims; the team that would be dropped should be included (so that whoever is processing waiver claims doesn't have to track you down). If the team is missing, just note that when you make a claim. (Missing teams also move you up the priority list.)

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I've never played before but i'll give it a shot!

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. Zach O
18. Jamie Kalb
20. ProgramLuke

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. Zach O
18. Jamie Kalb
19. ProgramLuke

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

What's that you say?

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. Zach O
18. Jamie Kalb
19. ProgramLuke
20. Alex Cormier

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. Zach O
18. Jamie Kalb
19. ProgramLuke
20. Alex Cormier
21. Basel A

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Zach O has withdrawn from the league.

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. Jamie Kalb
18. ProgramLuke
19. Alex Cormier
20. Basel A

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Rule Proposal number 902345: What if we had it so if you miss your first pick, you default to random picks unless you post otherwise? I feel that would really speed things up and I've rarely (once) seen anyone miss their first pick and then come back and finish the draft.

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Second. Much easier on the draft runner.

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I like it.

If you think you're going to miss picks, say so to the draft runner. It makes our lives easier--and it's even better if you give a list.

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I have decided that I enjoyed Fantasy FIRST and I will play again this year, I look forward to another great year!

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. Jamie Kalb
18. ProgramLuke
19. Alex Cormier
20. Basel A
21. Bethany Mc.!

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Aw how cute.
His and her fantasy dominance.

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'm in, just saw Bethanys award from last season and i've decided I should have one :D

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I wanna see Bethany's award.:(

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. Jamie Kalb
18. ProgramLuke
19. Alex Cormier
20. Basel A
21. Bethany Mc.
22. James1902

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

The event list is out now. 57 events (counting Michigan State Championship). http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/2010...e-is-here.html

Tentative Fantasy FIRST Schedule
 

November 26
Granite State
November 27
FLR
Traverse City
November 28
New Jersey
Kettering University
November 29
Alamo
November 30
San Diego
December 1
Greater Kansas City
December 2
WPI
December 3
Lake Superior
December 4
Florida
Ann Arbor
December 5
Wisconsin
Detroit
December 6
Pittsburgh
December 7
New York City
December 8
Israel
December 9
Arizona
December 10
Sacramento
December 11
Chesapeake
West Michigan
December 12
Boilermaker
Troy
December 13
Peachtree
December 14
Bayou
December 15
St. Louis
December 16
Oklahoma
December 17
Lone Star
December 18
Olympic
Cascade
December 19
Washington
Midwest
December 20
Waterloo
December 21
Los Angeles
December 22
Palmetto
December 23
Hawaii
December 24
Dallas
December 26
Long Island
Oregon
December 27
Connecticut
December 28
Smoky Mountain
December 29
North Carolina
December 30
Buckeye
January 1
Greater Toronto East
Greater Toronto West
January 2
10000 Lakes
North Star
January 3
Philadelphia
January 4
Utah
January 5
Virginia
January 6
Boston
January 7
Colorado

The Michigan State Championship draft will take place the Wednesday before the actual event. The eighth Michigan event will be scheduled if it is initiated.

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I'm going to withdraw with the league :(. My class schedule would cause me to miss a lot of drafts, and I'm worried about making a ton of lists and staying caught up with my homework. I could probably still make lists, but without the time to put any real research and effort into them, they wouldn't really be worth the draft runners' time.

The rest of you, have fun! :)

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. ProgramLuke
18. Alex Cormier
19. Basel A
20. Bethany Mc.
21. James1902

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Looks like we need to account for Dallas 2, and Dallas moving to Week 6.

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

IMHO I think we should move LI to 12-24, Colarodo to 1-6 and put both of Dallas' events on the 7th.

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Wouldn't this work if there was a website that takes care of all the stuff from the serverside? Just like the sports fantasy. Im not in BTW, just saying a suggestion

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

There is one--another page on CD. It's still under construction, and has been for a couple years now. I don't think it's exactly high priority...

Re: Tentative Fantasy FIRST Schedule
 

I put in the changes I suggested and sorted out a few events so that events on the same week were together. Right now there is only one Dallas Regional on usfirst.org. I also added the 8th district, Silicon Valley and Las Vegas.

I chose not to put anything on 12-31 or 1-1 so as to avoid problems.

I am not sure if people like the events seperated by weeks or if they were fine with how the schedule was. I would prefer us to use this.

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Hrmm wouldn't mind getting back into this.

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. ProgramLuke
18. Alex Cormier
19. Basel A
20. Bethany Mc.
21. James1902
22. Tim Delles

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13. RMiller
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. ProgramLuke
18. Alex Cormier
19. Basel A
20. Bethany Mc.
21. James1902
22. Tim Delles
23. Pandamonium

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

For the record, there is now less than one month left before drafts begin.

Ed, which schedule will we be doing? (Not like it matters for GSR...)

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Alex's version works fine for me.

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I am going to have to pull my name out of the hat for this year. Hope it is a good one for all.

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. R.C.
12. Karibou
13.
14. fireyoshi
15. Dargel1625
16. kenavt
17. ProgramLuke
18. Alex Cormier
19. Basel A
20. Bethany Mc.
21. James1902
22. Tim Delles
23. Pandamonium

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

One week warning has been sounded!
BAE regional draft is now on the horizon!

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Ed,

I too will remove my name from the hat. Too much to do with so little time.

-RC

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. Karibou
12. fireyoshi
13. Dargel1625
14. kenavt
15. ProgramLuke
16. Alex Cormier
17. Basel A
18. Bethany Mc.
19. James1902
20. Tim Delles
21. Pandamonium

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

I too will have to pull out do to an unexpected amount of courseload.
I hope everyone else has a blast!

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Working on my picks (halfway through December!)..
Do I just copy+paste the contents of my one huge .txt file into a pm and send it off?

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

However you want to do it is fine, whether that's individual lists or a group of lists. Just needs to get to whoever's running the draft in question, and probably whoever else is running drafts. Typically, that's Ed, myself, Kevin, or Alex; if at least two of us have a given draft, odds are we can make sure the list makes it in.

I'm working on my lists; 4 down, several to go, and plenty of time after Wednesday, and maybe before. Now to see if the secret sauce works...:D

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

Also be sure to keep copies of your lists and know why you put team x above team y.

We would prefer you to not have periods, commas or numbers (such as 1. team x, 2. team y, etc.) in the list you send in. Team numbers should be used instead of nicknames.

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. Akash Rastogi
7. dodar
8. hill
9. Clinton Bolinger
10. EricH
11. Karibou
12. fireyoshi
13. Dargel1625
14. kenavt
15. Alex Cormier
16. Basel A
17. Bethany Mc.
18. James1902
19. Tim Delles
20. Pandamonium

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

withdrawing from the draft

Re: [FF]: 2011 Seaon Long Fantasy FIRST
 

1. Koko Ed
2. Vikesrock
3. rtfgnow
4. Barry Bonzack
5. Chris is me
6. dodar
7. hill
8. Clinton Bolinger
9. EricH
10. Karibou
11. fireyoshi
12. Dargel1625
13. kenavt
14. Alex Cormier
15. Basel A
16. Bethany Mc.
17. James1902
18. Tim Delles
19. Pandamonium