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[FF]: Season Long Waiver Discussion
It's time for some planning ahead...
For those competing in the Season Long Fantasy FIRST league, there has been a discussion of modifying the procedure for picking up a newly added team from first-come-first-serve to a waiver system. With clearance from Ed to try it out, there are still a few questions to answer. I'll give my answer; anybody who has another answer, speak up. (For an explanation of how this works, see this post.) 1) Which teams are subject to the waiver process? --My thought is, if the team is in the pool of available teams at the end of a draft (or, more likely, an hour after the draft), they should not be included in the waiver process unless they are picked and dropped. All teams added to the pool, even by being dropped, after the draft ends would be subject to waivers. 2) How long should a new team be on waivers? --I think I speak for both Kevin (Vikesrock) and myself when I say that we're thinking no more than a day or two from the point where the team's presence is known. 3) What about the waiver priority list? What criteria should be used to order that? --The higher you are on the priority list, the quicker you can pick up a team. What we're thinking is use the most current scoring (AKA last year's until we get scores), in reverse order, with people who don't have a score in random order at the top of the list. I'm personally thinking that number of missing teams should also factor in, moving people who are missing teams higher on the list. 4) How to manage the list/claims? --I'm thinking a separate thread to maintain the list and for claims to be posted. 5) Should players post teams that they will drop? As this is a new idea for the league, input is welcomed. If you have a different question, bring it up and let the discussion begin. |
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1. Any team that is dropped or added to the event after the draft immediately goes to the Waiver list. (This is concise and accounts for trades and drops from the Free list too)
2. What's going to happen more often than not I think is a team will be on waivers, the person up next won't pick them up because they aren't active or whatever, and then they'll fall to the free list. All that would accomplish is pushing the "speed rush" for good teams back a day. I think they should stay on waivers until the entire list has said "pass" or someone has picked them up. 3. Only problem with "lowest first" is that it will be "barely active people first". |
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The way a waiver wire usually works is that anyone that wants to post a claim for a team during the time they are on waivers may do so. So if, for example, 1114 adds to Midwest and goes on waivers, anyone can post a claim in the 24 hours after their add is announced in the waiver thread. The person that is highest on the priority list (or in this example, the person highest on the priority list in each tier) that puts in a claim would be awarded the team. Additions of very good teams to an event may result in a cascade of claims moving up the priority list as less active (or less ridiculous ;) ) players check in. |
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Oh, that's a lot more reasonable then. Thanks for the clarification.
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I like the idea, but I would prefer the waiver period be by the end of Sunday, that way everyone has at least the weekend to get on and look. I don't think FF should be a daily maintenance game after drafting ends.
My proposition time frame to claim a team: all teams that go on the waiver list will be decided by 11:59PM Sunday, but no less than 48 hours. For example: Team 67 joins the St. Louis Regional on a Wednesday, players can make claims up to 11:59 PM Sunday. Example 2: Team 1625 is added to the Hawaii regional on a Saturday, Claims can be made all the way until the following Sunday (8 days). |
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I like that for during the drafting and build season. Cut it down to 48 hours or the lock of that event's drafts, whichever comes first, during competition season as there will be far fewer adds/drops during that time.
Oh, and I'd say that the waiver period starts on discovery that the team has added (i.e., 330 registers for San Diego on Monday, and they are discovered as attending on Saturday as somebody goes on a check, they'll be on waivers until the following Sunday). Does that seem reasonable? |
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I think that Barry's proposal will make it easier on both players and me by having a fixed time that waivers are processed. |
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Still to discuss:
1) When should the waiver start for dropped teams? I'm thinking that there are two ways to do this: a) As soon as the draft ends, any team dropped goes on waivers. b) After midnight (or some other specified time) after the draft, any team dropped goes on waivers; before then, all teams are free agents. 2) Should teams that will be dropped be posted, as an indication of which teams may/may not be available the next week? (Note that those teams would be "pending" or "probable" drops, not finalized.) I'd go with, for the sake of convenience, requiring the potential drop to be posted-- during the waiver process time on Sunday nights, it'll be relatively easy to go into the threads to do the swap, instead of tracking down the player and getting the team they're dropping. 3) During competition season, teams often show up missing from an event. I was thinking that players with missing teams should move up the list (say, one spot up per missing team in a given event), and not have to drop a team to get a team from waivers for an event they're missing a team in. What do you guys think about that? |
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1) I like option B for the first question. Teams that are dropped the night of the draft are usually randoms that people are switching out and would really crowd the waiver process with teams that are unlikely to be picked up.
2) The proposed drop should definitely be included in the waiver claim post. If the team being dropped is no longer attending they should still be posted with a note that they are not attending to make things easier to process. 3)I'd be fine with moving someone up a spot or two per missing team during competition season. |
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On item number 2, i feel that a pm to whoever is running the waivers would be acceptable so that no other player can get an advantage by seeing what will be up the following week.
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Seems we need a waiver now. 501, 319, and 2621 were dropped by hill.
I propose this initial waiver list. The new players are at the top in the order they signed up followed by veterans in reverse order from their ranking last year. 1. Clinton Bolinger 2. Karibou 3. fireyoshi 4. kenavt 5. Basel A 6. James1902 7. Tim Delles 8. Pandamonium 9. Josh Fox 10. Koko Ed 11. Alex Cormier 12. rtfgnow 13. dodar 14. EricH 15. Bethany Mc. 16. Dargel1625 17. Chris is me 18. Vikesrock 19. Barry Bonzack |
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For now I am willing to run the waiver but I might give it to Kevin or Eric later. If you are in tier 2 for BAE and want 501, 319, or 2621, pm me or post with:
a. which team you want b. which team you will drop c. on a scale from 1-10 how much you want that team, 1 being I will kill for them, 10 being I might bend down to pick them up (so that if more teams are dropped I know which is most important to you. This number does not mean you are more likely to get the team than anyone else) If these three items are not included your request will not be honored. You have until 11:59 pm Sunday. |
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We have another matter to clear up. Monday morning, someone will get one of the teams mentioned above.
What happens to the team they drop? Is that team free for all or does it go on the waiver? If it free for all, and someone picks it up, will the team they drop go on the waiver? |
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Tim Delles has dropped 172 and 1721 in BAE tier 2. These teams will be on waiver until December 5th at 11:59 pm EST. PM or post here if you want them. Remember, if you have a bid in for tomorrow it may effect your position on the list.
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I assume by that you mean put them in the waiver pool for the following week.
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Alex Cormier has dropped from the league. His picks are now up for waiver and they are as follows:
BAE Tier 1: 3074 2621 811 FLR Tier 1: 578 1450 1518 Traverse City Tier 1: 857 904 1596 |
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Vikesrock won the waiver for 501. No other team was requested. 319 2621 are now available. Barry you needed to be in Tier 2 and in front of Vikes if you wanted to win.
1. Clinton Bolinger 2. Karibou 3. fireyoshi 4. kenavt 5. Basel A 6. James1902 7. Tim Delles 8. Pandamonium 9. Josh Fox 10. Koko Ed 11. Alex Cormier 12. rtfgnow 13. dodar 14. EricH 15. Bethany Mc. 16. Dargel1625 17. Chris is me 18. Barry Bonzack 19. Vikesrock The following teams are available on waiver. There will probably be more tonight when up to three people are kicked. BAE Tier 1: 3074 2621 811 FLR Tier 1: 578 1450 1518 Traverse City Tier 1: 857 904 1596 BAE Tier 2: 172 1721 166 |
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Due to more drops, the following teams are now on waivers (no particular order):
Granite State Tier 1: 134, 1721, 151 Granite State Tier 2: 3074, 58, 241 Finger Lakes Tier 1: 73, 211, 250 Finger Lakes Tier 2: 578, 145, 156 New Jersey: 2600, 2199, 1881, 102, 2729, 2191 Kettering Tier 1: 49, 894, 314 Kettering Tier 2: 2604, 703, 3536 Traverse City Tier 1: 2611, 2767, 3458 Traverse City Tier 2: 3357, 3639, 2000 |
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Requesting 102 over 2495 - 8
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I'll take 3357 over 857 - 3
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Is the PM necessary though? can we post A B and C here? |
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You can do it however you want to. I happen to have a waiver claim or 3 in by PM right now.
For reference, C is for the case where you have a claim in on a team and another team comes in. C will determine which claim gets handled first, so choose wisely. |
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Dargel1625 has been booted and his teams are on waiver.
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1918 for 857 - 4
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Dargel's picks are
WPI 1: 121 1884 2876 Kansas City:1730 1710 938 San Diego: 2029 3134 3255 BAE 2: 133 836 1277 Alamo 2: 3529 2843 3029 New Jersey: 613 869 2458 Kettering 1: 2604 1322 3415 Traverse 2: 1918 1896 2767 FLR 2: 174 73 716 |
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Dodar you did not rate your other request. Until you do so, your request for 1918 is the only legit one. Also I need a secondary team to drop if you get both.
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Actually if you go look at my posts they all meet the requirements
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You are correct. I am guessing I recording the information beofre you edited the post.
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I am taking this to mean you want 3357 but if you don't get it go for 1918.
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yes
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I see alot more teams have signed up for regionals since the drafts have begun.
I suggest that remaining league members go check out what new teams have signed up (alot of rookie) to see if you want to add them to your alliance. |
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Technically they are not up for waiver until they have been announced here or in all the tiers for the events.
I'll go through tomorrow and get the list of new teams in each event. |
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Here are the new teams that were added to the events already drafted. They will be on waiver until December 12th.
NH: 213 1247 1289 1749 1824 3323 FLR: 1585 3799 3838 3840 Traverse City: 3767 3771 3772 Kettering: 3770 Alamo: 3582 3778 3808 3820 3834 San Diego: 3749 Lake Superior: 3829 3840 |
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And with kenavt dropping out, the following teams enter waiver (to come off not tomorrow, but the Sunday after, due to timing):
Alamo 1: 3529, 3366, 2745 Granite State 1: 836, 58, 1307 Finger Lakes 1: 145, 639, 1405 New Jersey: 2180, 623, 1647 Kettering 1: 703, 3450, 468 Traverse City 1: 3639, 1896, 3688 Kansas City: 2001, 1847, 2357 Superior 2: 2846, 3754, 2175 San Diego: 2090, 2839, 3480 WPI 2: 121, 1884, 3780 |
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3450 for Kettering over my last pick.
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I would like to claim 121 for the WPI 2 league.
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WPI 3780 over 1991, 9
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FLR Tier 1
get 250 to drop 2053 5 |
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New Jersey
get 102 drop 1302 2 |
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San Diego
Get 2090 drop 2984 6 Get 2839 drop 2485 4 |
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Kansas City
get 1730 drop 1777 3 |
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WPI2
get 121 drop 2067 2 (tied with my other 2) If I do not get 121 Get 3780 drop 2067 9 |
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Traverse 2
get 1918 drop 2145 1 |
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Kettering 2
Get 703 drop 1322 10 Recap by priority and regional 1. 1918 Traverse 2 2. 102 NJ 2. 121 WPI 2 3. 1730 KC 4. 2839 San D 5. 250 FLR 6. 2090 San D 9. 3780 WPI 2 10 703 Kett 2 Thanks, sorry for spamming the waivers thread. |
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I am going to go through and fix every thread but here are the results in no particular order. Please hold off all waiver requests until I make another post in this thread.
Basel A gets 3357 dodar gets 1918 rtfgnow gets 102, 1710, 174, 2029, 2611, 894 EricH gets 1730, 49, 145 Barry Bonzack gets 250, 703 And the list: 1. Karibou 2. fireyoshi 3. James1902 4. Tim Delles 5. Josh Fox 6. Koko Ed 7. Bethany Mc. 8. Chris is me 9. Vikesrock 10. Basel A 11. dodar 12. Barry Bonzack 13. EricH 14. rtfgnow |
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I have fixed all drafts within their threads. Please check your picks to make sure I didn't mess up. I would appreciate it if someone will copy over the waiver list for each event into this thread.
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no one gets 121? If no one else requested 2839 or 2090, does that mean I get them and my name is on the bottom of the list? |
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There are a number of teams--and I believe that 121 is among them--that are not cleared yet due to becoming available after midnight Friday. As such, they will be cleared next week.
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BAE 1:58 213 836 1247 1289 1307 1749 1824 3323
BAE 2:213 509 1247 1289 1749 1824 3323 Traverse 1:1896, 2000 3639, 3688 3767 3771 3772 Traverse 2:830 857 3767 3771 3772 FLR 1:145, 639, 1405 1585 2053 3799 3838 3840 FLR 2:639 1585 3015 3799 3838 3840 Kettering 1:326 468 703 3450 3535 3770 Kettering 2:1322 3770 New Jersey:219, 623, 1647 2180 Alamo 1:2745 3366, 3529, 3582 3778 3808 3820 3834 Alamo 2:2843 3029 3529 3582 3778 3808 3820 3834 San Diego:1372 2090 2839 3480 3749 Kansas City:1802 1847 2001 2164 2357 WPI 1:- WPI 2:121 1884 3780 Lake Superior 1:2840 3829 Lake Superior 2:2175 2846 3754 3829 3840 |
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Teams in bold are newly added. 2840 dropped FLR but were on the waiver list. 3134 dropped San Diego. |
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Nobody had either 2840 or 3134, so nobody moves up the waiver list due to missing teams yet.
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The two Michigan district events have a number of new teams added. I did not check any other events for new teams.
BAE 1:58 213 836 1247 1289 1307 1749 1824 3323 3467 BAE 2:213 509 1247 1289 1749 1824 3323 3467 Traverse 1:66 835 1076 1896 2000 2959 3639 3688 3767 3771 3772 Traverse 2:66 830 835 857 1076 2959 3767 3771 3772 FLR 1:145, 639, 1405 1585 2053 3799 3838 3842 FLR 2:639 1585 3015 3799 3838 3842 Kettering 1: 1 51 326 468 470 573 703 1701 3322 3398 3415 3450 3535 3770 Kettering 2:1 51 470 573 1322 1701 3322 3398 3415 3770 New Jersey:219, 623, 1647 2180 Alamo 1:2745 3366, 3529, 3582 3583 3778 3808 3820 3834 Alamo 2:2843 3029 3529 3582 3583 3778 3808 3820 3834 San Diego:1372 2090 2839 3480 3749 3894 Kansas City:1802 1847 2001 2164 2357 WPI 1:- WPI 2:121 1884 3780 Lake Superior 1:2840 3829 3846 Lake Superior 2:2175 2846 3754 3829 3840 3846 Florida:3410 3850 |
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Kettering 2
573 for 314 3 Traverse City 2 66 for 1596 1 (sorry if I'm doing something wrong - I've been trying to follow the waiver discussion/process, but it's a struggle) |
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At this point because of all the Michigan shuffling I'm honestly in favor of redrafting.
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So far, we've only done 2 MI events. The rest should have full team lists, sans the odd late-registering rookie.
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I think a redraft is in order.
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That, plus http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...&postcount=183
Redraft Kettering/Traverse, and draft the new event once it shows up on FIRST. |
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If Traverse and Kettering are being redrafted I believe it would be appropriate to adjust the list as follows:
1. Karibou 2. fireyoshi 3. Basel A 4. James1902 5. Tim Delles 6. Josh Fox 7. Koko Ed 8. dodar 9. Bethany Mc. 10. Chris is me 11. Vikesrock 12. Barry Bonzack 13. EricH 14. rtfgnow |
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Thank you Kevin. I would agree.
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I just noticed both Tim and Barry posted requests for 121 in WPI 2. Both are in WPI 1, where 121 was on waivers at the time of the posts and came off last Sunday. Tim had/has the higher priority so I have sent him a PM asking which team he would like to drop to process the claim.
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Whoops, didn't check for that. From now on, please include the draft effected when requesting waviers.
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Team 20 for 69 2 |
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1547 in NJ (over last pick, 4)
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525 GKC (over last pick, 10)
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3499 over 1991, WPI, 9
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Hey,
My team was for 3205 for 121 (on waiver)... sorry i thought I had posted that. for the WPI tier 2 ff regional. |
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With the drop of fireyoshi, these teams are now on waivers until the 19th.
BAE 1: 20 241 176 FLR 1: 174 1551 3173 New Jersey: 1547 3757 1382 Alamo 2:148 3478 3417 San Diego: 1540 3476 3021 Kansas City: 525 662 937 WPI 2: 3499 1735 3044 Lake Superior 2: 2512 2518 3054 Florida: 3622 2556 1027 Wisconsin: 537 81 2830 Pittsburgh 1:291 3504 1743 New York: 870 1796 1811 Isreal: 2217 2672 3388 Arizona: 1212 1828 3577 Sacramento 1: 2551 3495 2073 Chesapeake: 316 433 2912 Boilermaker 2: 447 1760 3814 Please remember to include a. team wanted, b. team dropping, c. rank 1-10, AND d. draft and tier |
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Alamo 2
Want 148 Drop 1429 1 |
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Also from processing the errant 121 claims from last week:
WPI Tier 1 - 3205 And the current priority list: 1. Karibou 2.. Basel A 3. James1902 4. Josh Fox 5. Koko Ed 6. dodar 7. Bethany Mc. 8. Chris is me 9. Vikesrock 10. Tim Delles 11. Barry Bonzack 12. EricH 13. rtfgnow |
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Sacramento 1 - 841 for 3495 (7)
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Here are my waivers request this week, sorted by priority Alamo 2 Get 148 Drop 3725 San D Get 1540 Drop 2984 Kansas City Get 525 Drop 1785 New York Get 870 drop 369 Wisconsin Get 537 drop 2704 Kansas City Get 662 Drop 1772 San D Get 2839 Drop 2485 Lake Sup Get 2512 drop 3740 Pittsburgh get 291 drop 2051 Israel Get 2672 drop 3766 |
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Results:
Barry Bonzack gets 2839 EricH gets 121 3366 2780 rtfgnow gets 2090 3410 1. Karibou 2.. Basel A 3. James1902 4. Josh Fox 5. Koko Ed 6. dodar 7. Bethany Mc. 8. Chris is me 9. Vikesrock 10. Tim Delles 11. Barry Bonzack 12. rtfgnow 13. EricH |
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BAE 1: 20 241 176
FLR 1: 174 1551 3173 New Jersey: 1547 3757 1382 Alamo 1:3305 Alamo 2:148 3478 3417 San Diego: 1540 2029 2485 3476 3021 Kansas City: 525 662 937 WPI 2:467 1735 3044 3280 3499 Lake Superior 2: 2512 2518 3054 Florida:21 3622 2556 1027 Wisconsin: 537 81 2830 Pittsburgh 1:291 3504 1743 New York: 870 1796 1811 Isreal: 2217 2672 3388 Arizona: 1212 1828 3577 Sacramento 1: 2551 3495 2073 Chesapeake: 316 433 2912 Boilermaker 2: 447 1760 3814 Updated. All threads are up to date. |
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I reiterate, post the draft and tier.
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968 6 for my 3rd pick in SD
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Alex, I have some free time so I'm going to go ahead and track down all of James1902's tiers and teams and update those threads, then post a full updated list of teams on waivers here.
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Thank you, Tuesdays and Thursdays are wild on me.
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San Diego
Want 968 Drop 1572 6 |
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FLR 1
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SD 968 for 3470, 9
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1114 1 for my 3rd pick
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Here is an updated list of teams on waivers until 12/19.
There are a lot of teams on waivers this week and many players will have a whole bunch of waiver requests, if you want to make sure that all of them get in and in the order you like, I would recommend compiling them all into one list in the order you would want them processed. This is not required (unless Alex decides it is), but it is a good way to make sure all your requests end up in the order you wanted. BAE 1: 133 172 176 241 319 FLR 1: 174 340 1126 1551 3157 3173 New Jersey: 486 1382 1547 2265 2607 3757 Alamo 1:922 1642 3305 3631 Alamo 2:148 3478 3417 San Diego: 599 968 1540 2029 2485 3021 3476 3477 Kansas City: 525 662 937 1098 1706 1827 WPI 1: 228 1687 3125 3205 WPI 2:467 1735 3044 3280 3499 Lake Superior 1: 2470 2512 2518 Lake Superior 2: 2512 2518 3054 Florida:21 665 1027 2556 3556 3622 3790 Wisconsin: Wisconsin: 81 537 868 2830 3362 3418 Pittsburgh 1:291 3504 1743 Pittsburgh 2: 771 1114 2051 New York:870 1230 1257 1796 1811 2265 Israel: 1577 1942 1943 2217 2672 3388 Arizona: 60 1212 1798 1828 2657 3577 Sacramento 1: 2551 3495 2073 Sacramento 2: 2085 2204 2551 Chesapeake: 316 422 686 1111 1195 2912 Boilermaker 2: 447 1555 1741 1760 2040 3814 Peachtree: 442 1795 1999 Traverse 1: 2145 2586 3458 |
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In Israel* (not Isreal... but w/e), I believe you mean 1943? I knew there were a lot of rookies teams this year, but..
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I also send in via PM so that nobody other than Alex and myself knows which (or how many) dark horses I'm trying to claim this time around, what order they're in, and which halfway decent teams someone else might want. |
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