The Top Ten
 

What is best set of 10 team in the history FIRST.
That means teams numbered 1 to 10 in sets of ten. So it could be 101 to 110 or 1001 to 1010 or 2001 to 2010 for example. It's a set of teams within ten numbers of one another by 10 (no starting the count in the middle like 25 to 35 or something like that). Note: that does that mean there will be ten team in the count.
So which ten do you think is the best?

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So, like 61-70? 61 has taken home quite a few awards;63 may never have taken the top prize but they have built some quality machines;64 had some pretty good years; 65 was 2003 Champions; 66 2002 Champions; 67 2005, 2009, and 2010 Champions; 68 has also had some pretty good years; 69 consistently takes home prizes; and 70 (can I also count their sister team?) has been pretty strong too.

My only regret, I can't count 10 teams from 61...I could also push 71 in there too.

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I nominate the 60s.
60 - Formerly dominant, still solid
61 - Decent team from the Northeast
63 - Regional winner this year, don't know much about them
65 - Former World Champions, live on as 51
66 - Former World Champions, solid Michigan team
67 - 2 consecutive World Champions plus another, always dominant
68 - Completely immovable.
69 - Very consistent and underrated, only not huge because they pass up the Championship

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You did it right.
No you can't count the Martians and obviously you cannot count Beatty. They go from 71 to 80.

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Took a quick look, and I'd say 61-70. Even without including the Huskie Brigade, you have 6 Einstein appearances, 4 Championships Wins, 1 Championship Chairman's and 4 Division Finalists.

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Closest to 60 is 171-180

171 - Strong Wisconsin team, a few regional wins
172 - The other pink team!
173 - 2002 Champions, 2007 Einstein, cool robots with cool arms
174 -Won 2 FLRs in a row and Buckeye in 2006
175 - Incredibly consistent, won a regional or division every year they existed except 2002 (CCA) and 2010 (fluke)
176 - 1999 World Champion, various regional wins throughout the decade, always the underdog
177 - 5 consecutive years on Einstein is all you need to say.
178 - Decent Northeast team
179 - "176 of Florida" always puts out a cool and unique robot that's strong at a tough event
180 - Former greats that always try something cool every year, 2002 Finalists

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231-240 is another pretty strong set.

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Most accomplished group of 10 in the 4 digit range IMO goes to 171x...

1710 - 16 awards at 8 official events
1711 - Awards at every event 3 years running
1712 - Lots of awards - especially impressive given their veteran area
1714 - Multiple regional wins and regional chairman's
1716 - Multiple visualization awards
1717 - At least a finalist at every regional 3 years running
1718 - Powerful Michigan team
1719 - Umbrellas!

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I like the larger blocks of teams too that seem to appear, like
20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90
110,120,130
230,240
350,360,370

Most of these also benefit from longevity (but that's also the definition of a "best team"). It might be meaningful to divide by years too. Then more stellar younger teams would float to the top.

Teams ---- #
up to ---- Awards
70 ----- 264
120 ---- 176
180 ---- 170
50 ----- 158
240 ---- 158
80 ----- 150
350 ---- 142
30 ----- 132
360 ---- 130
40 ----- 126
60 ----- 121
20 ----- 120
110 ---- 120
130 ---- 120
370 ---- 117
230 ---- 105
90 ----- 101
150 ---- 101
470 ---- 101

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Not to plug our own ten, but the 340's are pretty good for only having 6 teams. Especially with Chairmans...

340- 5- RCA,2- Division champs, 2-regional champs, 2-regional finalist
341- Hall of Fame,4-RCA, 1-Divison Champ, 4- Regional Champs, CMP EI
342- 4-RCA, 1-Regional Champ, 3- Regional finalists
343- 2-RCA, 1- Division Champ, 4- Regional Champs
346- 1- Reginal Champ, 3- Regional Finalist
348- 1- Division Champ, 1 CHMP Finalist

... 1 Hall of Fame, 15 Regional Chairman's Awards, 5 Division Champs, 12 Regional wins.

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This is the group that immediately came into my mind to nominate... you got to it first though. It helps that most of them are local so I know them well, but really they're all amazing teams.

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For those that don't know or think it is just coincidence that these teams grouped in the 60's and 170's before some year (1997?) teams were reassigned numbers every year. The first year of permanent numbers the numbers were assigned in alphabetical order by sponsor. THe success of the teams in the 60's is centered around the GM sponsored teams, the Teams in the 170's are (or were) mostly UTC sponsored. I am sure the teams mentioned would agree that having the support of these sponsors is a large reason for their continued success.

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Don't worry, by Koko Ed's definition you aren't in that group...:)

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I'd say 171-180 is off to a good start.
1 Championship Chairmans Award
1 Championship Engineering Insiration
4 Championships
12 Championship divisions


But the 61-70 ten has:
1 Championship Chairmans Award
5 Championships
10 Championship divisions

It's a close race with these 2 groups. Who is better? Who cares it's a good actual rivalry that should be fun for a while longer!
These are the two "Murderers Rows" of first.

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All time the teams that would immediately come to my mind would be 60-69 and 170-179. However, it's easier to stack up a large resumé when you have been around 10+ years like all of these teams have. Given their relative youth as teams, what 1710-1719 have done is proportionally the most impressive to me.

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13 Regional Wins (we have 5 :))

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how about 71-71?
:ahh:

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There's probably more mistakes, got the info off the FIRST website. :)

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Normalize the question, otherwise the results are skewed and we can spend days arguing. "Best in the History of FIRST" shouldn't pit 1994 teams against 2010 teams because the dynamics are completely different between then and now.

I'd suggest an era-based approach, for example a 'last 5 years' approach. Dynasty teams from the early 2000's that haven't produced much as far as mult-regional wins, Einstein or CMP awards in recent years shouldn't get love over teams that have for the 'last 5 years'.

Eras:
The old-schoolers ('92-'99) denoting the days before coopertition
The ramp-up ('00-'04) denoting the years before FRC really hit the bend in the exponential growth curve and also introduction of common COTS gearboxes
The newGens ('05-'08) based upon the old control system
GenNext ('09-present) based upon the new control system

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Slight correction.
Co-opertition started in '99. (Tecknocats were the last sole champ in '98 and Juggernauts, Delphi Elite and Aces High were the first Co-Champs in '99)
Divisions started in 2001.

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That approach mixes things up a bit.

For the years 2005 to 2010

Teams
Ending
at ---- #Awards - #Teams
-----------------------------
70 ------- 117 --------- 7
120 ----- 105 --------- 7
360 ------ 89 ---------- 7
240 ------ 87 ---------- 7
1720 ---- 85 ---------- 9
180 ------ 84 --------- 10
350 ------ 79 ---------- 5
40 ------- 74 ---------- 5
370 ------ 74 ---------- 5
1520 ---- 72 ---------- 9
80 ------- 66 ---------- 6
230 ------ 64 ---------- 8
470 ------ 61 ---------- 6
300 ------ 59 ---------- 6
1630 ---- 58 ---------- 4
50 -------- 57 ---------- 4
110 ------ 56 ---------- 5
60 -------- 55 ---------- 6
1750 ----- 55 ---------- 9
130 ------ 54 ---------- 6


Note that the 1711-1720 & 1741-1750 blocks only existed for 4 of those 5 years.

It's also interesting that for the 171-180 block of teams, each and every one of the teams remains active.

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Team 343 has 6 regional championships.

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I count 8 Regional Championships for Team 343.

2001 FL
2001 VA
2002 FL
2002 MO
2005 VA
2006 VA
2008 GA
2010 SC

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Wow the FIRST website is terrible for records. You'd think THE organizing body would keep the best records.

Good thing we have CD.

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didn't go to VA in 05. 7 regional wins for 343 :p and we also were Einstein finalsits as well as Championship EI winners in '03.

still going with 61-70 as the best ten :D

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My mistake. The winners at VA in '05 were 401, 435, & 122.

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What about 71-80. I think the teams covered in this range are just as good as the teams from 61-70. We all know about team 71, who still has the most championship victories in the history. Team 78 was in their first year this season, but looking at the success that team 121 had with many of the members that make up the team. One of my favorite teams, 79 is also included in this group. I am willing to bet they are the only team to eliminate the #1 alliance as the #8 alliance in Atlanta twice. Teams 74 and 75 are both well respected, well known, and successful teams in their respective areas.

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I'm glad that a couple of Hawaii teams (359, 368) are helping to keep the 360 group in the mix. I believe that both our teams have about 60 FRC awards since we started in 2000.
Some of the FIRST data is inaccurate and missing stuff. They also deleted any awards prior to 2001. Not sure why.

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You know, when Chris posted the 60s, he forgot one.

64: Gila Monsters (split into 39 and a couple of other teams after the 2005 season)
They only won a ton of awards... culminating with a world finalist. They were a force to be reckoned with out here on the West Coast.

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61-70 is probably the best bracket and 171-180 is the very close second.

Chris is me has the best take on it, (except technicly 174 has 3 FLR wins).

It's really tough to bracket another series of teams.

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Though 254's my favorite team, i have to give it up to the 60's. Teams 60-69 are all top tier teams no doubt about it. Most of these teams show up a lot, as far as awards and finalists, etc. Espically 67, winning these past 2 championships in a row. 60-69, all the way. :D

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I'd say teams that are 1X1

111, 171, 191

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Nice try but I think I'd have to not allow that one.

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Most people are mentioning teams that are in the first 100. I think that you should post your all-time top ten, and also your top ten if you take out the teams that have been here for a while...I'll leave that time measurement up to you.

For example: 61-70 is my all-time favorite top ten
1991-2000 is my top ten "new" teams (roughly 5 yrs old, according to my completely unbiased opinion)

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It was fun to look at the group of 10 that my team, 1511, is in!

I don't know if any of the teams from 1511 to 1520 consider ourselves to be "power" teams but in combination, from 2005 to 2010, we have:

72 awards (according to the FIRST data),
8/10 receiving at least one award,
4/10 with 10 or more awards,
5/10 as a Regional Winner at some point,
3/10 winning a Regional Chairman's Award - some more than once.

Thanks, Ed, for making me check out some new team statistics! :)