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A Michigan team also happens to be the first rookie number this year - 3450.
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Back on topic: Can you show a breakdown of how many teams are going to 1 or 2 events and the Championship? ie 1 only, 1 and Championship, 2 only, 2 and Champs, Champs only (can you do that?) I understand that the numbers may be off since there is a waitlist for events. |
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26% of teams are signed up for extra Regionals (including 6 MI teams)
Only 47% of Michigan teams are listed for their 2nd District event yet. 9% are signed up for Championships (in the end that will be ~18%) Counting Regional/District/Championship events:
In case you were looking for these specifics derived from the above #'s:
Went back and looked only at teams that are not signed up for Championships:
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Events proceed...
Philadelphia and Smoky Mountain both filled to initial capacity over the weekend. 9 more Regionals are within 1-5 spots of reaching initial capacity:
BAE, San Diego, WPI, Pittsburgh, NYC, Sacramento, Boilermaker, Oklahoma, Los Angeles, Midwest, LI, Silicon Valley, Connecticut, Smoky Mountain, Colorado, Boston, Virginia, Philadelphia. 6 Regionals went into stealth mode before the 2nd event registration opening:
P.S. 10 Regionals have gone beyond initial capacity numbers by adding rookies to the team list, so some of the reserved slots are already partially showing in spots. P.P.S. # registered teams passed the number that played in 2009 (1677) around 4:30pm. Unrestricted registration opens Thursday, so we should see more multiples then, but it'll all be blocked from us by wait lists if Regional Directors don't begin clearing them soon. I wonder how much the wait lists discourage subsequent registrations? |
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What do you mean by stealth mode? Like the regional directors arent allowing anyone to register for it?
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Stealth mode are events that didn't reach their initial advertised capacity, but reset their open slots to zero, so anyone registering for it would immediately go on the wait list.
There's just no way to see what's going on and when it reached, if it ever did, initial capacity. Regional Directors do this to give themselves more latitude in assigning limited availability slots. The Texas Regionals are a good example. They were all frozen below capacity, so preferential treatment can be given the Texas teams. They have a State funding restriction that says the teams must play in-state or not receive the funding. Washington State has a similar State funding restriction, but they handled it up front by freezing the team list right from the start, then they opened it up when they knew all the State teams could be covered. |
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Oh ok that makes sense. Florida did reach advertised capacity, atleast last time I checked. Reached 51 teams middle of last week.
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Florida original capacity was 54 teams and was at 50 last week before 2nd event registration opened. At that time it was frozen at 50 teams. For "initial capacity" I use the numbers as they were when registration first opened, not later manipulations of those numbers.
Around 12:30 today it went to 52 teams as two more rookies were added. I attached the Florida registration plot. P.S. The Florida Regional has 12 rookie teams, so I can see why they might have cut short the open slots. That's a lot of growth. |
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Finger Lakes and Arizona Regionals have now reached initial capacity.
The running for the event with the most rookies (where the vets need to work their hardest):
Toronto East & West combined have (14) rookies Here's everyone with rookies as of Halloween: FL -------------- 12 SDC ------------ 10 Alamo ---------- 10 Tor-E ------------ 8 SAC ------------- 7 MI-West --------- 7 MA -------------- 7 OK -------------- 6 OH -------------- 6 MI-Traverse ----- 6 MI-Kettering ---- 6 Bayou ----------- 6 GA -------------- 6 CT -------------- 6 Tor-W ----------- 6 MI-Troy --------- 5 MI-Niles -------- 5 MI-Ann Arbor --- 5 Cascade --------- 4 SC -------------- 4 PIT ------------- 4 NC -------------- 4 MI-Livonia ------ 4 Dallas ---------- 4 AZ -------------- 4 10k ------------- 4 UT -------------- 3 Lone Star ------ 3 Silicon Valley -- 3 NJ -------------- 3 MI-Detroit ------ 3 LI -------------- 3 IN -------------- 3 IL -------------- 3 DC -------------- 3 CO -------------- 3 BAE ------------- 3 WI -------------- 2 Olympic -------- 2 TN -------------- 2 PA -------------- 2 OR -------------- 2 N. Star --------- 2 KC -------------- 2 Los Angeles ---- 2 WPI ------------- 1 VA -------------- 1 NYC ------------- 1 MO -------------- 1 FLR ------------- 1 MD -------------- 1 |
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Thanks for the correction.
The numbers I posted were mostly as of this past weekend and only the top returns were updated this afternoon as the question occurred to me. |
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Why didn't you register for Alamo when your rookie teams did to be sure you all went to the same place?
Have you contacted the Alamo Regional Director and explained the situation linking you to the other Arkansas rookies? Alamo has a lot of space, so it may not become a problem. You have quite a mentoring challenge with the rookies so widespread. --------------- The number of teams passed the 1700 mark at around 6am EST, this morning. That's about 10 days ahead of last year. Growth has gained a little since the day 2nd event registration opened. It's reached 8% ahead of this time last year. That's about the same % gap that 2010 registratration held over 2009 registration numbers at this time. Chesapeake and Oregon have reached initial capacity now. |
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I sent an email to FIRST HQ and contacted the Alamo regional folks before I got waitlisted to let them know what was going on. The local Alamo people did not know FIRST was going to do this. They are doing all they can to get us in. I have yet to get an answer from FIRST HQ. The 3 AR rookies will be JCP teams and that is why I instructed them to register for Alamo. I did not dream they would shut out the mentor veteran team! It has been a very stressful situation all around. No one told us about the rookie grants available to AR even though I asked directly about the JCP money for our area. I scratched around and got these 3 teams to register and got a grant submitted in a 2 day period on the weekend after the deadline had passed for the grants. These new teams have been so tough through all of this. If they are half as good at being a robot team as they have been in this gearing up quickly process, they will be a force! I am so proud of them. |
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No one needs that kind of stress. I'm sure the Alamo folks will get you registered. There's always room to squeeze another pit in. |
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We could have had many more teams in Arkansas if I had known about the grants that were set aside for us. It has been an emotionally crushing few weeks. |
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No big rush visible at noon when unrestricted registration began on day 35.
Some of that is probably because 70% of the events are now obscured by wait lists. A bunch of Regionals that were close to being full went to initial capacity and started their own wait lists: KC, SC, 10K Lakes, NC, UT, Waterloo Only 15 events have non-waitlist, open registration. 1733 teams are registered. 243 new teams Here's a chart of when (in days from registration opening) Regionals reached their initial capacity. Events that closed early, such as Texas & Michigan, aren't included. |
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Lots of room for teams at Vegas Regional guys! Everyone who has joined us has had a great time and found the trip to be economical. The Regional Planning Committee will be posting updated info soon about hotel deals, etc...Stay tuned. 987 promises to go easy on all out of state visitors;)
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Things haven't moved much since unrestricted registration opened yesterday, but here are the number of teams going to 4 events, 3 events, etc.
This includes Championship/Regionals/Districts. # Events -- # Teams 4 Events ------- 4 3 Events ------ 53 2 Events ----- 437 1 Event ----- 1246 |
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Yep, Michigan teams 141, 216, 244, & 288
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NJ has reached initial capacity and joined the society of wait listed events.
Michigan (160) is close to surpassing California (161) as the monster team state. |
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I couldn't imagine going into the Championship with a Robot that has 5 Events of wear on it already. Does anyone have registration information for the Championship? I believe we're on the wait list, so I'm curious to how long it is... |
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Travel would probably be better for those upper peninsula teams...:) In past years the extreme upper peninsula team has only attended one District. I imagine because the distance to travel can be 9 hours. So, with more upper teams this year there might be more unused District slots to allow for one or two teams over the theoretical limit. In any case there probably won't be 3rd Districts to look forward to. |
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Michigan teams just went to 164, somewhat beyond the theoretical District limit.
That beats California's current 162 total teams. Texas has added a few more teams to the event lists. Buckeye reached it's initial capacity. The Netherlands is back, but attending Seattle instead of their usual Las Vegas Regional. |
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If they made a 9th event, I'm sure many Michigan teams would jump on the opportunity to go to a third district event. Problems arise when you start asking how to choose which teams go and how the extra district is going to effect the Michigan ranking system. I'm sure there are other less obvious problems too. Otherwise... YA!
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IKE is right of course, I was not suggesting they come to KU merely that it, being a very small venue, can handle 42 teams so most other places should be able to.
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If anywhere else is smaller than KU, I'd wonder why it was chosen to host an event. The other venues that I've been to (Troy, Detroit, and TC) could certainly hold a few more teams without much of an issue, and I understand that the venue for Western MI is large as well. |
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Broke 1800 teams this morning.
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SWEET!!!! HERE'S TO EXPONENTIAL GROWTH!!! :)
(I couldn't resist the CAPS LOCK.) |
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Only four teams away from the number that played last year.
P.S. Reached 1808 about a day later, just before 9am EST on 11/16, the same number as played in 2010. We haven't matched the peak of 1826 from 2010 yet though. Usually, the list of teams falls back a bit from it's peak within a week or so of registration closing. The Wisconsin Regional is also now at initially advertised capacity. That means 10 Regionals are still open book, plus the Texas events immediately show Texas teams that fit their criteria. I'd hazard a guess that an additional 30-40 teams are simply invisible while they're cooling their heels on waitlists, and with some of the known late registering areas, i.e., Israel, we'll easily have more teams than last year. Probably not exponential though. This is definitely a slow growth year, but we'll still probably break 1900 teams. We do have more rookie teams (280) than last year (277). Not so many resurrected vets (9) as last year (21). P.S. I'd also guess that there are ~150 teams on the Championship waitlist, based on last year's numbers, and this year's drop in available open slots. Here are where the missing ~300 teams are from and by their rookie years. Still missing by rookie years (rookie year/# missing/as a % of teams remaining in 2010 from that rookie year): 1998 & earlier -- 3 --- 3% 1999 ----- 5 ------ 8% 2000 ----- 10 --- 16% 2001 ----- 1 ----- 1% 2002 ----- 6 ----- 7% 2003 ----- 5 ----- 7% 2004 ----- 18 --- 17% 2005 ----- 28 --- 24% 2006 ----- 25 --- 17% 2007 ----- 38 --- 22% 2008 ----- 31 --- 14% 2009 ----- 63 --- 23% 2010 ----- 61 --- 22% Missing by location: Israel ----------- 41 MI --------------- 21 NY --------------- 21 TX --------------- 21 CA --------------- 15 MN -------------- 15 OH -------------- 10 CO --------------- 9 FL ---------------- 8 IL ---------------- 8 Canada-ON ----- 7 HI ---------------- 7 MA --------------- 7 NJ --------------- 7 VA --------------- 6 AZ --------------- 5 GA --------------- 5 IN ---------------- 5 LA --------------- 5 NH --------------- 5 PA --------------- 5 WA -------------- 5 DC --------------- 4 SC --------------- 4 UT --------------- 4 CT --------------- 3 MD --------------- 3 MO --------------- 3 MT --------------- 3 NC --------------- 3 OK --------------- 3 OR --------------- 3 TN --------------- 3 AL --------------- 2 KY --------------- 2 MS --------------- 2 NM --------------- 2 NV --------------- 2 WI --------------- 2 AK --------------- 1 Canada-AB ----- 1 Canada-BC ----- 1 Canada-QC ----- 1 KS --------------- 1 ME --------------- 1 ND --------------- 1 PR --------------- 1 Turkey ---------- 1 |
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Some of these teams aren't yet missing.
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Our team missed out on registration of a 3rd regional during week 6 since we were in Japan as we tried just one day later.
As we searched for other regionals during that week, they were all booked. We're playing a wait and see being on a waitlist. :( |
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We now have more than 300 new teams counting both the rookies and new instant veteran-status teams.
California and Michigan are tied with 164 teams each. Five areas have more than 100 teams each (century areas if you will).
Israel teams are trickling in, up to 17 now. A few more Texas teams got admitted to each of the local Regionals, but there's still a lot of room for the waitlisted teams. I was just counting the number of fields that FIRST needs this year and it looks like 14 are necessary. 13 active all at once week 3, plus the spare field they usually talk about. Maybe a separate mockup field back at HQ? Attached is a plot of the registration progress thus far. ------------------- I'll be off grid for a couple of weeks starting tomorrow, so feel free to talk amongst yourselves... If some of you wouldn't mind posting the registration total every few days or so I'd appreciate it. That way, when I return, I can see what happened while I was gone. |
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My guess would be that on (EDIT) January 28th we'll see quite a few teams drop out because of lack of payment, at which point those who have the funds available will slip in. |
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Payment for Championship is not due until January 28th.
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Though I still wish it were December 2nd - I dislike waiting. |
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I miss Mark.
One of you computer nerds needs to help us mechanical nerds out and publish some data please. |
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Some data:
CA now has 171 teams. Michigan has 172! (Which is theoretically 12 over district capacity - stay tuned) |
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A lot of the info concerning which teams have signed up for which regional can be found here : http://www.usfirst.org/whatsgoingon.aspx.
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But yet that basketball guy who talks about PER still draws a huge audience. Mark, is our registration SportsCenter for FIRST ! Come back to CD Mark. |
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Did I miss something? What happened to Mark?
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Historically speaking: when will teams be moved off of regional wait-list now that registration is closed and the first payment deadline has passed?
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I'm back, but half asleep and I'll be playing catchup for the next week. Guess how many threads get updated on CD in just a couple of weeks...
I just glanced at the numbers, but here's what the glance told me.
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We were told decision for Dallas waitlist on Dec. 15. We are keeping fingers crossed.
Looks like they added double digit no. of rookie teams to their regional in recent weeks. Its a cost strategy for us, since American already flies to Dallas on the way to Orlando. VEX Worlds is the week after and our team is going there the following week on one trip if we get into Dallas. |
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I've got a hunch that there will be room for the rookies before terribly long, knowing FRC teams' tendency for helping other teams to compete and all. |
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It looks like one team dropped out of Smokey Mtn in the last day, so they'll need at least one more.
P.S. Team 461 was the generous team that gave up their slot in TN for one of the shutout rookie teams. As much as the event organizers strive to fit in everyone who want's to come, the time arrives when one more would spill out the door. SBPLI has that situation this year. More teams wanted to come than we could rearrange the furniture to fit. In past year's the venue has been able to come up with creative ways to reorient the field, reduce or eliminate the practice area, relocate the A/V folks, move as much excess as possible out into the hallways. Sounds like TN would need to setup a tent outside. |
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Seem like it's time for us to build a 4-dimensional room, just for this eventuality. Or are 5 dimensions needed?
Welcome back Mark, we missed you. |
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Here's a message of interest pertaining to the waitlist for Championship.
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Michigan was a conspicuous exception, because they run to a different registration schedule. Last year Michigan finally cleared their waitlists over the year-end holidays, before Kickoff. And of course the Championship waitlist is much later and was handled unusually last year. This year we have more Regionals delaying their waitlists. Presumably, due to what appears to be a very late rookie registration drive. The most obvious are the Texas Regionals, frozen to make sure late registering Texas teams get preference. As Glenn informed us, they are scheduled to clear December 15 this year. If you have a particular event in mind I can give you a time chart of its' 2010 registration tally. |
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I just got notified that WPI has accepted us from the waitlist, so they've started the clearing process.
Last year Regionals also did a half pass at the waitlists just prior to 2nd event registration opened up. That didn't happen this year. Clearing the waitists may take place over several days, because they first give the waitlisted team 24 hours to accept before moving on to another team on the list. Here are last year's registration charts for:
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Smokey Mountain was filled up with no hidden reserves.
This morning 1311 - Kell Robotics - withdrew from the Smokey Mountain Regional. 1311 is moving to the Palmetto which is the previous week. 1311 is going back to back - Peachtree then Palmetto.... FYI - as of this writing the empty slot at the Peachtree is now filled. However - if you want to move from the Smokey Mountain to the Peachtree it is a very do-able thing. There is a little wiggle room there. Ed |
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One of the Smoky Mtn rookies (3856) has taken 461's slot.
1311 is still listed even though they've agreed to release their spot, and I now know of several teams including my own that have received invitations to move off other event waitlists, but have yet to appear on the respective event team lists. So there's a backlog or lag at FIRST HQ on moving teams on and off the event lists. 3 teams dropped out and 8 added in within the past few hours. |
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Michigan has flushed its' district event waitlists about 3 weeks earlier than last year.
Kettering, Traverse City, West Michigan, Detroit, Ann Arbor, and Troy are full at 40 teams each. Livonia has only a single space unfilled, and Niles is still only half filled. Now to wait and see where the overflow will go? |
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I have it from a reputable source that they're looking for a 9th district event. Which should leave 16+ spots for 3rd district events for teams.
I'd like allowing non-MI teams to be allowed to fill those gaps (with no chance to advance or qualify for Nationals), but I don't see that happening. |
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We have a new week 2 event (March 11-12) at: Waterford Mott High School 1151 Scott Lake Road Waterford, MI 48329 The event will be hosted jointly by our two Waterford teams 2612 Waterford Mott and 3098 Waterford Kettering. Today we began clearing the waitlists for all the other events. When this is complete, there will be open spots available at Niles and Waterford, for teams that still need second events. The Waterford event is not yet open on the FIRST website. I will let you know when it is. |
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The second late registering Tennessee rookie is finally on the Smoky Mtn. event list in place of 1311.
The Waterford District is now listed on the FIRST event site. Still no movement as a result of the latest waitlist invitations. |
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Here is the current tally for how many events teams are signed-up for. This includes Regionals, Districts, and Championship.
Overall ~a quarter of teams do more than one event. # Events/#Teams 5 Count 1 4 Count 4 3 Count 61 2 Count 490 1 Count 1523 |
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New rookie just appeared at Boilermaker, any more pop up over the weekend?
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Right now it looks like JC Penny is sponsoring 129 rookies. They seem to account for the big increase in rookie teams this year. Rookie team 3785 is being sponsored by #64 The Gila Monsters, remember them? The Gila Monsters last played in 2005 and were somewhat replaced by team 39 who have not re-registered to play this season. Quote:
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Is this the largest single year growth in the number of FRC teams so far?
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53 teams are still only registered for a single District event, and I forgot 3rd District sign-up opened while I was away. Six Michigan teams have already been registered for third events. Teams: 27, 123, 141, 302, 904, 2337 |
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We just lost the Netherlands, as well as Team 84, Chuck.
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We were told by FIRST that they would let us know by tomorrow afternoon now. Lots of rookie teams going to Dallas as they are reserving spots.
We hope we get in, as I just got a quote for $430 round trip to Dallas, which is pretty cheap from HI. I hope the rate remains for a few days longer. |
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It would be so awesome to compete with you guys in Dallas! That fare is amazing! Let us know as soon as you find something out. :) You would be such an inspiration to all of the rookies! They would love it. Jane |
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How many regionals have cleared waiting lists we are still waiting for Boilermaker? |
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