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Mark McLeod 30-10-2010 11:03

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A Michigan team also happens to be the first rookie number this year - 3450.
Alan mentioned that in post #2, almost 100 posts ago. I'm not surprised you missed it :ahh:

32 Michigan rookie team numbers, plus team 244

6 Michigan teams are attending Regionals (in addition to Districts): 141, 216, 217, 244, 288, 1528

JB987 30-10-2010 13:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 978981)
A Michigan team also happens to be the first rookie number this year - 3450.
Alan mentioned that in post #2, almost 100 posts ago. I'm not surprised you missed it :ahh:

32 Michigan rookie team numbers, plus team 244

6 Michigan teams are attending Regionals (in addition to Districts): 141, 216, 217, 244, 288, 1528

Ahh, 10 self inflicted robot kicks from our 2010 bot...I first read the post a month ago, but alas, my soon to be senior brain didn't register the info permanently...a cogent reminder to review a thread if it's been a long time since one first read it?

Karthik 30-10-2010 14:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 978803)
I stand corrected.
I would like to see more.
Why is one side filling up more than the other?
That's weird.

The East started filling up faster than the West prior to 2nd regional registration opening. Since then, the West has caught back up and now there's only a two team difference. (27 in the East, 25 in the West)

yarb65 30-10-2010 17:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 978976)
Back to our irregularly scheduled program chatter...

Bosnia has joined again along with another Turkish team.
  1. Australia
  2. Bosnia
  3. Brazil
  4. Canada
  5. Chile
  6. Germany
  7. Israel
  8. Mexico
  9. Turkey
  10. United Kingdom
  11. United States
HI Regional is hosting the Australian team
Mexico teams are going all over-all three Texas events, AZ, CO, San Diego, Oregon, Toronto East
Israel Regional will get not only Bosnia and Turkey, but also Brazil reps
LA hosts Chile
Las Vegas gets to see Germany as always-I wonder what draws them to LV every time?
WPI sees a UK team as does NYC
Midwest gets a team from Turkey
Seattle sees the Turkish team again but also gets a second one
NYC has always seen the UK's 759. I was there when they first crossed the pond and have a signed Union Jack to show for it.

Did you know the UK teams are only two-year schools?
Think of running a team with only freshmen and sophomores year-after-year...


We're approaching the 2009 # of teams (25 teams shy), but are only ~150 teams away from last year's numbers too.
  • 20% of veteran teams remain missing (or tardy like most of the Israelis)
  • >200 rookies now
  • ~41,000 students now registered
  • 2,147 event slots spoken for, plus pending wait list wannabe's
Here are the places supplying the largest team blocks:
  • CA ---- 159
  • MI ---- 149
  • NY ---- 104
  • TX ---- 83
  • MN ---- 81

There will be at least one US team at the Israel Regional Team 1662 and possibly Team 1836.

DonRotolo 30-10-2010 20:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 978976)
Las Vegas gets to see Germany as always-I wonder what draws them to LV every time?

Someone should ask them. They're an American high school in Wiesbaden, students are dependents of American military personnel. I checked their website, and no mention of why they go to LV.

ebarker 30-10-2010 20:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Rotolo (Post 979018)
no mention of why they go to LV.

Because what happens in LV stays in LV !

Foster 31-10-2010 06:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ebarker (Post 979021)
Because what happens in LV stays in LV !

So thats why it's so hard to find a posting of the competition results!

Back on topic:
Can you show a breakdown of how many teams are going to 1 or 2 events and the Championship? ie 1 only, 1 and Championship, 2 only, 2 and Champs, Champs only (can you do that?)

I understand that the numbers may be off since there is a waitlist for events.

Mark McLeod 31-10-2010 09:58

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26% of teams are signed up for extra Regionals (including 6 MI teams)
Only 47% of Michigan teams are listed for their 2nd District event yet.
9% are signed up for Championships (in the end that will be ~18%)

Counting Regional/District/Championship events:
  • 4 events = 1 team
  • 3 events = 43 teams
  • 2 events = 405 teams
  • 1 event = 1203 teams
Taking Championships out of the count gives us:
  • 3 events = 5 teams (all MI teams at a Regional-one team has not been assigned its' 2nd District yet)
  • 2 events = 337 teams
  • 1 event = 1310 teams
Notes:
  1. Fewer than half of the Michigan teams have been assigned 2nd District events yet.
  2. This doesn't count the 64 or so teams that will attend the Michigan State event.
  3. Championship will gain 200 teams from event winners.
  4. An anticipated couple of hundred teams have yet to register or appear off hidden wait lists.
  5. We haven't reached unrestricted registration yet, and we're only halfway through the registration period.
P.S.
In case you were looking for these specifics derived from the above #'s:
  • 1 event only = 1203
  • 1 event + Champs = 107
  • 2 events + Champs = 39
  • 3 events + Champs = 1
147 teams are currently registered for Championships, two teams who registered have dropped out already.

Went back and looked only at teams that are not signed up for Championships:
  • 3 events = 4 teams
  • 2 events = 300 teams

JB987 31-10-2010 19:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Foster (Post 979042)
So thats why it's so hard to find a posting of the competition results!

Back on topic:
Can you show a breakdown of how many teams are going to 1 or 2 events and the Championship? ie 1 only, 1 and Championship, 2 only, 2 and Champs, Champs only (can you do that?)

I understand that the numbers may be off since there is a waitlist for events.

Results have been posted at the official event website (albiet a couple months after the fact)...so "What happens in Vegas Stays in Vegas" sometimes temporarily! Good thing FIRST posted results same day...
(http://engineering.unlv.edu/first/

Mark McLeod 01-11-2010 11:24

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Events proceed...

Philadelphia and Smoky Mountain both filled to initial capacity over the weekend.

9 more Regionals are within 1-5 spots of reaching initial capacity:
  • (1) FLR, KC
  • (2) AZ
  • (3) MD, SC, Toronto East, OH
  • (4) Toronto West
  • (5) NJ
18 Regionals are already at initial capacity:
BAE, San Diego, WPI, Pittsburgh, NYC, Sacramento, Boilermaker, Oklahoma, Los Angeles, Midwest, LI, Silicon Valley, Connecticut, Smoky Mountain, Colorado, Boston, Virginia, Philadelphia.

6 Regionals went into stealth mode before the 2nd event registration opening:
  1. DC
  2. Florida
  3. Alamo
  4. Dallas
  5. Lone Star
  6. Seattle Cascade
plus the always enigmatic MI District events.


P.S.
10 Regionals have gone beyond initial capacity numbers by adding rookies to the team list, so some of the reserved slots are already partially showing in spots.

P.P.S.
# registered teams passed the number that played in 2009 (1677) around 4:30pm.

Unrestricted registration opens Thursday, so we should see more multiples then, but it'll all be blocked from us by wait lists if Regional Directors don't begin clearing them soon. I wonder how much the wait lists discourage subsequent registrations?

dodar 01-11-2010 11:58

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What do you mean by stealth mode? Like the regional directors arent allowing anyone to register for it?

Mark McLeod 01-11-2010 12:08

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Stealth mode are events that didn't reach their initial advertised capacity, but reset their open slots to zero, so anyone registering for it would immediately go on the wait list.

There's just no way to see what's going on and when it reached, if it ever did, initial capacity.
Regional Directors do this to give themselves more latitude in assigning limited availability slots.

The Texas Regionals are a good example. They were all frozen below capacity, so preferential treatment can be given the Texas teams. They have a State funding restriction that says the teams must play in-state or not receive the funding.
Washington State has a similar State funding restriction, but they handled it up front by freezing the team list right from the start, then they opened it up when they knew all the State teams could be covered.

dodar 01-11-2010 12:15

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Oh ok that makes sense. Florida did reach advertised capacity, atleast last time I checked. Reached 51 teams middle of last week.

Mark McLeod 01-11-2010 12:49

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Florida original capacity was 54 teams and was at 50 last week before 2nd event registration opened. At that time it was frozen at 50 teams. For "initial capacity" I use the numbers as they were when registration first opened, not later manipulations of those numbers.

Around 12:30 today it went to 52 teams as two more rookies were added.

I attached the Florida registration plot.

P.S.
The Florida Regional has 12 rookie teams, so I can see why they might have cut short the open slots. That's a lot of growth.

Mark McLeod 02-11-2010 13:06

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Finger Lakes and Arizona Regionals have now reached initial capacity.

The running for the event with the most rookies (where the vets need to work their hardest):
  • (12) Florida
  • (10) San Diego
  • (10) Alamo
Note:
Toronto East & West combined have (14) rookies

Here's everyone with rookies as of Halloween:
FL -------------- 12
SDC ------------ 10
Alamo ---------- 10
Tor-E ------------ 8
SAC ------------- 7
MI-West --------- 7
MA -------------- 7
OK -------------- 6
OH -------------- 6
MI-Traverse ----- 6
MI-Kettering ---- 6
Bayou ----------- 6
GA -------------- 6
CT -------------- 6
Tor-W ----------- 6
MI-Troy --------- 5
MI-Niles -------- 5
MI-Ann Arbor --- 5
Cascade --------- 4
SC -------------- 4
PIT ------------- 4
NC -------------- 4
MI-Livonia ------ 4
Dallas ---------- 4
AZ -------------- 4
10k ------------- 4
UT -------------- 3
Lone Star ------ 3
Silicon Valley -- 3
NJ -------------- 3
MI-Detroit ------ 3
LI -------------- 3
IN -------------- 3
IL -------------- 3
DC -------------- 3
CO -------------- 3
BAE ------------- 3
WI -------------- 2
Olympic -------- 2
TN -------------- 2
PA -------------- 2
OR -------------- 2
N. Star --------- 2
KC -------------- 2
Los Angeles ---- 2
WPI ------------- 1
VA -------------- 1
NYC ------------- 1
MO -------------- 1
FLR ------------- 1
MD -------------- 1

SteveGPage 02-11-2010 13:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 979299)

Here's everyone with rookies:

As of yesterday morning, the Chesapeake Regional - in Baltimore, MD has added a Rookie team. 3650, from Waldorf, MD.

Thanks for all your hard work in getting this data!

Steve

Mark McLeod 02-11-2010 14:16

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Thanks for the correction.
The numbers I posted were mostly as of this past weekend and only the top returns were updated this afternoon as the question occurred to me.

SteveGPage 02-11-2010 15:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 979310)
Thanks for the correction.
The numbers I posted were mostly as of this past weekend and only the top returns were updated this afternoon as the question occurred to me.

Thanks, Mark! By the way, our new rookie team is now called the "Electric Eagles"!! Not to be confused with your "Robotic Eagles"!

Steve

Meredith Novak 03-11-2010 01:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 979299)
The running for the event with the most rookies (where the vets need to work their hardest):
  • (12) Florida
  • (10) San Diego
  • (10) Alamo
Note:
Toronto East & West combined have (14) rookies

We (FRC16) have 3 rookie teams registered for Alamo and we are waitlisted. Having these teams 3-5 hours away from us in all directions is bad. Sending them to a tournament alone is absurd.

Mark McLeod 03-11-2010 08:53

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Why didn't you register for Alamo when your rookie teams did to be sure you all went to the same place?

Have you contacted the Alamo Regional Director and explained the situation linking you to the other Arkansas rookies? Alamo has a lot of space, so it may not become a problem.

You have quite a mentoring challenge with the rookies so widespread.

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The number of teams passed the 1700 mark at around 6am EST, this morning.
That's about 10 days ahead of last year. Growth has gained a little since the day 2nd event registration opened. It's reached 8% ahead of this time last year. That's about the same % gap that 2010 registratration held over 2009 registration numbers at this time.

Chesapeake and Oregon have reached initial capacity now.

Meredith Novak 03-11-2010 14:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 979385)
Why didn't you register for Alamo when your rookie teams did to be sure you all went to the same place?

Have you contacted the Alamo Regional Director and explained the situation linking you to the other Arkansas rookies? Alamo has a lot of space, so it may not become a problem.

You have quite a mentoring challenge with the rookies so widespread.

We are required by our corporate sponsor, Baxter Healthcare, to attend the Midwest Regional (sponsored by Baxter Healthcare), so we have to sign up for that first - good thing since it filled up.

I sent an email to FIRST HQ and contacted the Alamo regional folks before I got waitlisted to let them know what was going on. The local Alamo people did not know FIRST was going to do this. They are doing all they can to get us in. I have yet to get an answer from FIRST HQ.

The 3 AR rookies will be JCP teams and that is why I instructed them to register for Alamo. I did not dream they would shut out the mentor veteran team!

It has been a very stressful situation all around. No one told us about the rookie grants available to AR even though I asked directly about the JCP money for our area. I scratched around and got these 3 teams to register and got a grant submitted in a 2 day period on the weekend after the deadline had passed for the grants.

These new teams have been so tough through all of this. If they are half as good at being a robot team as they have been in this gearing up quickly process, they will be a force! I am so proud of them.

Mark McLeod 03-11-2010 15:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Meredith Novak (Post 979442)
These new teams have been so tough through all of this. If they are half as good at being a robot team as they have been in this gearing up quickly process, they will be a force! I am so proud of them.

A little too much trial by fire just to get started.
No one needs that kind of stress.

I'm sure the Alamo folks will get you registered. There's always room to squeeze another pit in.

Meredith Novak 03-11-2010 17:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 979462)
A little too much trial by fire just to get started.
No one needs that kind of stress.

I'm sure the Alamo folks will get you registered. There's always room to squeeze another pit in.

I expect they will get us in, but it has been very frustrating and hard on my team. I haven't even told the rookies about it. Maybe we can have a good laugh about it in San Antonio. ;)

We could have had many more teams in Arkansas if I had known about the grants that were set aside for us. It has been an emotionally crushing few weeks.

Mark McLeod 04-11-2010 13:16

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No big rush visible at noon when unrestricted registration began on day 35.
Some of that is probably because 70% of the events are now obscured by wait lists.

A bunch of Regionals that were close to being full went to initial capacity and started their own wait lists:
KC, SC, 10K Lakes, NC, UT, Waterloo

Only 15 events have non-waitlist, open registration.

1733 teams are registered.
243 new teams

Here's a chart of when (in days from registration opening) Regionals reached their initial capacity. Events that closed early, such as Texas & Michigan, aren't included.

JB987 04-11-2010 15:46

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Lots of room for teams at Vegas Regional guys! Everyone who has joined us has had a great time and found the trip to be economical. The Regional Planning Committee will be posting updated info soon about hotel deals, etc...Stay tuned. 987 promises to go easy on all out of state visitors;)

AdamHeard 04-11-2010 16:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 979629)
Lots of room for teams at Vegas Regional guys! Everyone who has joined us has had a great time and found the trip to be economical. The Regional Planning Committee will be posting updated info soon about hotel deals, etc...Stay tuned. 987 promises to go easy on all out of state visitors;)

Unfortunately we won't be making it to Vegas this year, but Joe is right. It's a GREAT event, 973 has been doing it for years and has always loved it. There are some really nice, cheap hotels around as well (less expensive and nicer than most hotels we've stayed at the last few years at other events). Highly reccomend it.

Mark McLeod 05-11-2010 15:57

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Things haven't moved much since unrestricted registration opened yesterday, but here are the number of teams going to 4 events, 3 events, etc.
This includes Championship/Regionals/Districts.

# Events -- # Teams
4 Events ------- 4
3 Events ------ 53
2 Events ----- 437
1 Event ----- 1246

AdamHeard 05-11-2010 16:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 979770)
Things haven't moved much since unrestricted registration opened yesterday, but here are the number of teams going to 4 events, 3 events, etc.
This includes Championship/Regionals/Districts.

# Events -- # Teams
4 Events ------- 4
3 Events ------ 53
2 Events ----- 437
1 Event ----- 1246

Are the 4 event teams all from Michigan?

Mark McLeod 05-11-2010 16:12

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Yep, Michigan teams 141, 216, 244, & 288

Andrew Schreiber 05-11-2010 17:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 979774)
Yep, Michigan teams 141, 216, 244, & 288

The interesting part I found was that 216, 244, and 288 are not registered for either MSC (can't be) or CMP yet. They are looking at a potentially 6 event year.

AdamHeard 05-11-2010 17:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 979782)
The interesting part I found was that 216, 244, and 288 are not registered for either MSC (can't be) or CMP yet. They are looking at a potentially 6 event year.

WOW. That is just absurd, they're certainly going to have some experience come champs...

Mark McLeod 07-11-2010 10:40

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NJ has reached initial capacity and joined the society of wait listed events.

Michigan (160) is close to surpassing California (161) as the monster team state.

thefro526 07-11-2010 14:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 979787)
WOW. That is just absurd, they're certainly going to have some experience come champs...

And some tired Robots as well.

I couldn't imagine going into the Championship with a Robot that has 5 Events of wear on it already.

Does anyone have registration information for the Championship? I believe we're on the wait list, so I'm curious to how long it is...

GaryVoshol 07-11-2010 22:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 979938)
Michigan (160) is close to surpassing California (161) as the monster team state.

Of course Michigan, theoretically, has no room for any more teams at the 8 Districts. (40 teams each event, each team gets 2 events)

Mark McLeod 08-11-2010 10:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 980020)
Of course Michigan, theoretically, has no room for any more teams at the 8 Districts. (40 teams each event, each team gets 2 events)

Maybe you could rent additional space from Wisconsin?
Travel would probably be better for those upper peninsula teams...:)

In past years the extreme upper peninsula team has only attended one District. I imagine because the distance to travel can be 9 hours. So, with more upper teams this year there might be more unused District slots to allow for one or two teams over the theoretical limit.

In any case there probably won't be 3rd Districts to look forward to.

Alan Anderson 08-11-2010 10:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 980020)
Of course Michigan, theoretically, has no room for any more teams at the 8 Districts.

Michigan has room for more District events. Adding another would let 180 teams have the full experience.

Mark McLeod 10-11-2010 13:27

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Michigan teams just went to 164, somewhat beyond the theoretical District limit.

That beats California's current 162 total teams.

Texas has added a few more teams to the event lists.

Buckeye reached it's initial capacity.

The Netherlands is back, but attending Seattle instead of their usual Las Vegas Regional.

Foster 10-11-2010 13:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 980364)
Michigan teams just went to 164, somewhat beyond the theoretical District limit.

FIRST is all about going past theoretical limits. :rolleyes:

Andrew Schreiber 10-11-2010 13:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 980364)
Michigan teams just went to 164, somewhat beyond the theoretical District limit.

That beats California's current 162 total teams.

Texas has added a few more teams to the event lists.

Buckeye reached it's initial capacity.

2 Districts with 42 teams in them. Not optimal but I know Kettering can handle it and it is one of the smaller venues.

IKE 10-11-2010 13:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 980366)
2 Districts with 42 teams in them. Not optimal but I know Kettering can handle it and it is one of the smaller venues.

4 teams over require 8 slots. Thus it would be 42 teams at 4 events or ... >40 teams would require extra matches. I would prefer that if they expand an event, they would wait until the later events. Kettering seems to have a lot fo field related downtime associated with it due to being a Week 1 event. I really like where Alan's going with the 9th event. That would be pretty sweet.

BJC 10-11-2010 15:49

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If they made a 9th event, I'm sure many Michigan teams would jump on the opportunity to go to a third district event. Problems arise when you start asking how to choose which teams go and how the extra district is going to effect the Michigan ranking system. I'm sure there are other less obvious problems too. Otherwise... YA!

Andrew Schreiber 10-11-2010 16:27

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IKE is right of course, I was not suggesting they come to KU merely that it, being a very small venue, can handle 42 teams so most other places should be able to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BJC (Post 980390)
If they made a 9th event, I'm sure many Michigan teams would jump on the opportunity to go to a third district event. Problems arise when you start asking how to choose which teams go and how the extra district is going to effect the Michigan ranking system. I'm sure there are other less obvious problems too. Otherwise... YA!

In 2009 when we were last allowed to register for 3 events it was first come first served and the 3rd one counted for nothing.

Karibou 10-11-2010 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber (Post 980401)
IKE is right of course, I was not suggesting they come to KU merely that it, being a very small venue, can handle 42 teams so most other places should be able to.

I agree that KU can handle 42 teams...barely. I would certainly not push it past 42. The venue IS small, and once you start dropping below 8-feet-wide pits (which is what I believe that we had at KK11), it gets frustrating. For example, by a stroke of bad luck, we had 6 and a half feet of pit space in Traverse City. I'll just say that it was not fun. Very cramped, and unsafe.

If anywhere else is smaller than KU, I'd wonder why it was chosen to host an event. The other venues that I've been to (Troy, Detroit, and TC) could certainly hold a few more teams without much of an issue, and I understand that the venue for Western MI is large as well.

Mark McLeod 13-11-2010 10:41

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Broke 1800 teams this morning.

J93Wagner 13-11-2010 12:38

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SWEET!!!! HERE'S TO EXPONENTIAL GROWTH!!! :)

(I couldn't resist the CAPS LOCK.)

Mark McLeod 15-11-2010 11:04

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Only four teams away from the number that played last year.
P.S. Reached 1808 about a day later, just before 9am EST on 11/16, the same number as played in 2010. We haven't matched the peak of 1826 from 2010 yet though. Usually, the list of teams falls back a bit from it's peak within a week or so of registration closing.
The Wisconsin Regional is also now at initially advertised capacity. That means 10 Regionals are still open book, plus the Texas events immediately show Texas teams that fit their criteria.

I'd hazard a guess that an additional 30-40 teams are simply invisible while they're cooling their heels on waitlists, and with some of the known late registering areas, i.e., Israel, we'll easily have more teams than last year. Probably not exponential though. This is definitely a slow growth year, but we'll still probably break 1900 teams.
We do have more rookie teams (280) than last year (277). Not so many resurrected vets (9) as last year (21).

P.S. I'd also guess that there are ~150 teams on the Championship waitlist, based on last year's numbers, and this year's drop in available open slots.

Here are where the missing ~300 teams are from and by their rookie years.

Still missing by rookie years (rookie year/# missing/as a % of teams remaining in 2010 from that rookie year):

1998 & earlier -- 3 --- 3%
1999 ----- 5 ------ 8%
2000 ----- 10 --- 16%
2001 ----- 1 ----- 1%
2002 ----- 6 ----- 7%
2003 ----- 5 ----- 7%
2004 ----- 18 --- 17%
2005 ----- 28 --- 24%
2006 ----- 25 --- 17%
2007 ----- 38 --- 22%
2008 ----- 31 --- 14%
2009 ----- 63 --- 23%
2010 ----- 61 --- 22%


Missing by location:
Israel ----------- 41
MI --------------- 21
NY --------------- 21
TX --------------- 21
CA --------------- 15
MN -------------- 15
OH -------------- 10
CO --------------- 9
FL ---------------- 8
IL ---------------- 8
Canada-ON ----- 7
HI ---------------- 7
MA --------------- 7
NJ --------------- 7
VA --------------- 6
AZ --------------- 5
GA --------------- 5
IN ---------------- 5
LA --------------- 5
NH --------------- 5
PA --------------- 5
WA -------------- 5
DC --------------- 4
SC --------------- 4
UT --------------- 4
CT --------------- 3
MD --------------- 3
MO --------------- 3
MT --------------- 3
NC --------------- 3
OK ---------------
3
OR --------------- 3
TN --------------- 3
AL --------------- 2
KY --------------- 2
MS --------------- 2
NM --------------- 2
NV --------------- 2
WI --------------- 2
AK --------------- 1
Canada-AB ----- 1
Canada-BC ----- 1
Canada-QC ----- 1
KS --------------- 1
ME --------------- 1
ND --------------- 1
PR --------------- 1
Turkey ---------- 1

RoboMom 15-11-2010 19:03

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Some of these teams aren't yet missing.
They are on the waitlists.

waialua359 17-11-2010 17:35

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Our team missed out on registration of a 3rd regional during week 6 since we were in Japan as we tried just one day later.
As we searched for other regionals during that week, they were all booked.
We're playing a wait and see being on a waitlist. :(

Mark McLeod 18-11-2010 14:31

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We now have more than 300 new teams counting both the rookies and new instant veteran-status teams.

California and Michigan are tied with 164 teams each.
Five areas have more than 100 teams each (century areas if you will).
  • (164) California
  • (164) Michigan
  • (118) Texas
  • (108) New York
  • (104) Minnesota
Seattle Cascade has opened up again, so there are a few more slots for willing teams.
Israel teams are trickling in, up to 17 now.
A few more Texas teams got admitted to each of the local Regionals, but there's still a lot of room for the waitlisted teams.

I was just counting the number of fields that FIRST needs this year and it looks like 14 are necessary. 13 active all at once week 3, plus the spare field they usually talk about. Maybe a separate mockup field back at HQ?

Attached is a plot of the registration progress thus far.

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I'll be off grid for a couple of weeks starting tomorrow, so feel free to talk amongst yourselves...
If some of you wouldn't mind posting the registration total every few days or so I'd appreciate it. That way, when I return, I can see what happened while I was gone.

thefro526 18-11-2010 17:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 980866)
P.S. I'd also guess that there are ~150 teams on the Championship waitlist, based on last year's numbers, and this year's drop in available open slots.

I wonder if there are even that many. I wouldn't doubt it, but according to one of our head mentors who spoke with FIRST HQ in regards to the waiting list, it sounds like Championship Registration is down this year and that many of the teams registered may not have payed yet.

My guess would be that on (EDIT) January 28th we'll see quite a few teams drop out because of lack of payment, at which point those who have the funds available will slip in.

Chris is me 18-11-2010 18:05

Re: Registration 2011
 
Payment for Championship is not due until January 28th.

thefro526 19-11-2010 13:26

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 981248)
Payment for Championship is not due until January 28th.

Thanks for correcting me.

Though I still wish it were December 2nd - I dislike waiting.

AdamHeard 19-11-2010 13:40

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thefro526 (Post 981328)
Thanks for correcting me.

Though I still wish it were December 2nd - I dislike waiting.

If you've paid, and you're on the champs list now, it's a pretty sure thing you'll get in (based on the past). I've been on teams that signed up and wait listed during regionals and still made it.

thefro526 19-11-2010 14:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 981331)
If you've paid, and you're on the champs list now, it's a pretty sure thing you'll get in (based on the past). I've been on teams that signed up and wait listed during regionals and still made it.

We've made it in off the wait list twice before, but both times required near instant payment when a spot opened up. Luckily for us, we had the money alloted in those years, and it sounds like we do this year as well.

IndySam 06-12-2010 15:33

Re: Registration 2011
 
I miss Mark.

One of you computer nerds needs to help us mechanical nerds out and publish some data please.

GaryVoshol 06-12-2010 15:38

Re: Registration 2011
 
Some data:

CA now has 171 teams.

Michigan has 172! (Which is theoretically 12 over district capacity - stay tuned)

Ether 06-12-2010 15:53

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 983923)
Michigan has 172! (Which is theoretically 12 over district capacity - stay tuned)

It's more like 2.13455108077·10^311 over district capacity :-)



synth3tk 06-12-2010 17:07

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 983922)
I miss Mark.

One of you computer nerds needs to help us mechanical nerds out and publish some data please.

2 out of 3 non-mechanical nerds believe 95% of the statistical data generated by 40% of computer nerds. 60% of the numbers in the previous statement were made-up.

biancs15 06-12-2010 20:59

Re: Registration 2011
 
A lot of the info concerning which teams have signed up for which regional can be found here : http://www.usfirst.org/whatsgoingon.aspx.

lynca 07-12-2010 00:16

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by biancs15 (Post 984024)
A lot of the info concerning which teams have signed up for which regional can be found here : http://www.usfirst.org/whatsgoingon.aspx.

All the sports facts and statistics are freely available.

But yet that basketball guy who talks about PER still draws a huge audience.

Mark, is our registration SportsCenter for FIRST ! Come back to CD Mark.

rsisk 07-12-2010 01:25

Re: Registration 2011
 
Did I miss something? What happened to Mark?

EricH 07-12-2010 01:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 981227)
I'll be off grid for a couple of weeks starting tomorrow, so feel free to talk amongst yourselves...
If some of you wouldn't mind posting the registration total every few days or so I'd appreciate it. That way, when I return, I can see what happened while I was gone.

He should be back before too long.

IndySam 07-12-2010 10:26

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Historically speaking: when will teams be moved off of regional wait-list now that registration is closed and the first payment deadline has passed?

Mark McLeod 07-12-2010 14:05

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I'm back, but half asleep and I'll be playing catchup for the next week. Guess how many threads get updated on CD in just a couple of weeks...

I just glanced at the numbers, but here's what the glance told me.
  • Unusually large gain in the days I was gone. Some due to teams being released from waitlists and Israeli teams finally registering.
  • 14.4% growth is better than in the past two years, but not as good as 2008.
  • Over 400 new teams (rookies & 9 new vets). That's about the same percentage of new/total teams as in 2009.
  • Registration is oscillating around 2069 with as many teams coming off the list as are still appearing. Must be frantic on-going payment negotiations.
  • Some waitlists have been cleared already, but many teams, including mine, still await FIRSTs final decision. Texas & MI are still playing hold-em'
  • ~8% loss of veteran team no-shows is the best ever. 166 vets are missing in action.
  • Some teams have begun dropping off the Championship team list.

waialua359 07-12-2010 15:32

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We were told decision for Dallas waitlist on Dec. 15. We are keeping fingers crossed.
Looks like they added double digit no. of rookie teams to their regional in recent weeks.

Its a cost strategy for us, since American already flies to Dallas on the way to Orlando.
VEX Worlds is the week after and our team is going there the following week on one trip if we get into Dallas.

Gary Dillard 07-12-2010 16:09

Re: Registration 2011
 
Received this yesterday

Quote:

Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:20 PM
To: frcteams
Cc: LJ Robinson
Subject: FIRST Smoky Mountain regional questions
This email is being sent to all teams registered for the Smoky Mountain regional who are also registered for another event.
We have 2 late registering local rookies who cannot get into the event because it is full.
We have no more room in the facility to increase the number of teams.
So, I am asking all of you:
Firstly, are any of you not able to attend this regional after all and are planning to cancel? If so, could you please respond right away and let us know.
Secondly, would any of you be prepared to go to another regional instead of Smoky Mountain? We have room in a number of regionals, North Carolina, Palmetto, Florida, Bayou.

If we cannot get a positive response to either of these questions, these 2 rookies will not be able to compete this year, so I appeal for your help.

Have a great season,
Ian McEwan
FIRST Vice President Regional Operations.

We're considering it, since Peachtree showed 1 opening this morning we could go there; however that is the same week as spring break.

ATannahill 07-12-2010 16:21

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 984143)
Received this yesterday



We're considering it, since Peachtree showed 1 opening this morning we could go there; however that is the same week as spring break.

Can they not fit two more teams into the event?

EricH 07-12-2010 16:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 984146)
Can they not fit two more teams into the event?

The message says there is "no more room in the facility to increase the number of teams." That means that they're probably already running 8' by 8' pits (or maybe 8' by 10' pits) to accommodate everybody, and barely have enough room for the field/storage/walkways. So, they're asking if anybody doing the event as a second event will either switch events or drop out, so that the rookies can compete.

I've got a hunch that there will be room for the rookies before terribly long, knowing FRC teams' tendency for helping other teams to compete and all.

Mark McLeod 07-12-2010 16:28

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It looks like one team dropped out of Smokey Mtn in the last day, so they'll need at least one more.
P.S.
Team 461 was the generous team that gave up their slot in TN for one of the shutout rookie teams.

As much as the event organizers strive to fit in everyone who want's to come, the time arrives when one more would spill out the door.
SBPLI has that situation this year. More teams wanted to come than we could rearrange the furniture to fit. In past year's the venue has been able to come up with creative ways to reorient the field, reduce or eliminate the practice area, relocate the A/V folks, move as much excess as possible out into the hallways. Sounds like TN would need to setup a tent outside.

DonRotolo 07-12-2010 18:25

Re: Registration 2011
 
Seem like it's time for us to build a 4-dimensional room, just for this eventuality. Or are 5 dimensions needed?

Welcome back Mark, we missed you.

Mark McLeod 08-12-2010 11:33

Re: Registration 2011
 
Here's a message of interest pertaining to the waitlist for Championship.

Quote:

Greetings Championship Wait List Team:

Now that registration has closed, we want to touch base with you and share the following to help you understand the 2011 FRC Championship wait list process:
  • Championship spot availability is based on how many merit-based qualifying teams choose to attend or decline to attend the event. You can view the merit based qualifying criteria at http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...ip+eligibility Please note, teams that decline their qualifying spot may not offer the spot to another team; declined spots are offered to wait list teams by FIRST Headquarters;
  • Some of the merit-based qualifying teams may have already registered for the Championship during open registration. This will open additional spots to wait list teams;
  • We will start making offers to wait list teams once the events are underway, around the 3rd week of competition, given there are spots to offer. However, some spots may open up after the payment deadline date (1/28/11) as some registered teams may drop the Championship due to funding issues. In this event, we will start making offers to wait list teams in early February.
  • Teams are normally moved off the wait list on a first come first served basis (i.e., date registered on the wait list.) However, and although unlikely, FIRST reserves the right to move a team into the event at its discretion;
  • We do not publish the wait list. As with the regionals, FIRST does not want any team making travel arrangements based on where they are on the wait list. There is no guarantee even the first team on the list will get a spot;
  • You may send payment for us to “hold” for you; however, this does NOT guarantee your team a spot in the Championship nor give your team preference for being moved off the wait list. In the event your team is offered a spot and you accept, we will apply the monies to your account. If your team does not get a spot your payment will be returned.
Please note all Championship wait list decisions are made at FIRST headquarters. Questions should be directed to frcteams@usfirst.org, Subject Line: Championship Wait List.

We wish each of you the best of luck this season.

Warm Regards,

FRC Teams.

Go Teams!

Mark McLeod 08-12-2010 12:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 984096)
Historically speaking: when will teams be moved off of regional wait-list now that registration is closed and the first payment deadline has passed?

Last year many Regionals had cleared their waitlists by December 5, a few days after the deadline. Everyone (half) cleared by December 8.
Michigan was a conspicuous exception, because they run to a different registration schedule. Last year Michigan finally cleared their waitlists over the year-end holidays, before Kickoff.
And of course the Championship waitlist is much later and was handled unusually last year.

This year we have more Regionals delaying their waitlists.
Presumably, due to what appears to be a very late rookie registration drive.
The most obvious are the Texas Regionals, frozen to make sure late registering Texas teams get preference. As Glenn informed us, they are scheduled to clear December 15 this year.

If you have a particular event in mind I can give you a time chart of its' 2010 registration tally.

IndySam 08-12-2010 13:38

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 984344)
Last year many Regionals had cleared their waitlists by December 5, a few days after the deadline. Everyone (half) cleared by December 8.
Michigan was a conspicuous exception, because they run to a different registration schedule. Last year Michigan finally cleared their waitlists over the year-end holidays, before Kickoff.
And of course the Championship waitlist is much later and was handled unusually last year.

This year we have more Regionals delaying their waitlists.
Presumably, due to what appears to be a very late rookie registration drive.
The most obvious are the Texas Regionals, frozen to make sure late registering Texas teams get preference. As Glenn informed us, they are scheduled to clear December 15 this year.

If you have a particular event in mind I can give you a time chart of its' 2010 registration tally.

Boilermaker
Thanks Mark
Welcome back :)

TD78 08-12-2010 13:45

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 984344)
Last year many Regionals had cleared their waitlists by December 5, a few days after the deadline. Everyone (half) cleared by December 8.
Michigan was a conspicuous exception, because they run to a different registration schedule. Last year Michigan finally cleared their waitlists over the year-end holidays, before Kickoff.
And of course the Championship waitlist is much later and was handled unusually last year.

This year we have more Regionals delaying their waitlists.
Presumably, due to what appears to be a very late rookie registration drive.
The most obvious are the Texas Regionals, frozen to make sure late registering Texas teams get preference. As Glenn informed us, they are scheduled to clear December 15 this year.

If you have a particular event in mind I can give you a time chart of its' 2010 registration tally.

looking for Boston and Connecticut...hoping one or the other is soon!
thanks.

Mark McLeod 08-12-2010 14:03

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3 Attachment(s)
I just got notified that WPI has accepted us from the waitlist, so they've started the clearing process.

Last year Regionals also did a half pass at the waitlists just prior to 2nd event registration opened up. That didn't happen this year.
Clearing the waitists may take place over several days, because they first give the waitlisted team 24 hours to accept before moving on to another team on the list.

Here are last year's registration charts for:
  • Boilermaker (cleared mostly on Dec 5 and Dec 8)
  • Boston (mostly cleared by Dec. 12)
  • Connecticut (final clearing Dec. 8)

ebarker 08-12-2010 14:29

Re: Registration 2011
 
Smokey Mountain was filled up with no hidden reserves.

This morning 1311 - Kell Robotics - withdrew from the Smokey Mountain Regional. 1311 is moving to the Palmetto which is the previous week. 1311 is going back to back - Peachtree then Palmetto....

FYI - as of this writing the empty slot at the Peachtree is now filled.

However - if you want to move from the Smokey Mountain to the Peachtree it is a very do-able thing. There is a little wiggle room there.

Ed

JohnBoucher 08-12-2010 14:43

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 984148)
Sounds like TN would need to setup a tent outside.

When Connecticut was at the Meadows venue, they had a large tent in the snow and rain for the overflow teams.

Chris is me 08-12-2010 14:43

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 984362)
I just got notified that WPI has accepted us from the waitlist, so they've started the clearing process.

Glad to hear it, but I don't see you guys on the Event page yet. Does that take awhile to update?

Mark McLeod 08-12-2010 19:32

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 984369)
Glad to hear it, but I don't see you guys on the Event page yet. Does that take awhile to update?

Don't know how long it takes to update.
Maybe they spent the afternoon sending out a bunch of invitations and will go through the responses tomorrow.

Mark McLeod 09-12-2010 12:02

Re: Registration 2011
 
One of the Smoky Mtn rookies (3856) has taken 461's slot.

1311 is still listed even though they've agreed to release their spot, and I now know of several teams including my own that have received invitations to move off other event waitlists, but have yet to appear on the respective event team lists. So there's a backlog or lag at FIRST HQ on moving teams on and off the event lists.

3 teams dropped out and 8 added in within the past few hours.

Mark McLeod 09-12-2010 22:06

Re: Registration 2011
 
Michigan has flushed its' district event waitlists about 3 weeks earlier than last year.
Kettering, Traverse City, West Michigan, Detroit, Ann Arbor, and Troy are full at 40 teams each.

Livonia has only a single space unfilled, and Niles is still only half filled.

Now to wait and see where the overflow will go?

Basel A 09-12-2010 22:33

Re: Registration 2011
 
I have it from a reputable source that they're looking for a 9th district event. Which should leave 16+ spots for 3rd district events for teams.

I'd like allowing non-MI teams to be allowed to fill those gaps (with no chance to advance or qualify for Nationals), but I don't see that happening.

Jack Jones 10-12-2010 07:32

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 984656)
I have it from a reputable source that they're looking for a 9th district event. Which should leave 16+ spots for 3rd district events for teams.

I'd like allowing non-MI teams to be allowed to fill those gaps (with no chance to advance or qualify for Nationals), but I don't see that happening.

Recieved 12-9 at 4:28 P.M.:

We have a new week 2 event (March 11-12) at:
Waterford Mott High School
1151 Scott Lake Road
Waterford, MI 48329

The event will be hosted jointly by our two Waterford teams 2612 Waterford Mott and 3098 Waterford Kettering.

Today we began clearing the waitlists for all the other events. When this is complete, there will be open spots available at Niles and Waterford, for teams that still need second events. The Waterford event is not yet open on the FIRST website. I will let you know when it is.

Mark McLeod 10-12-2010 23:10

Re: Registration 2011
 
The second late registering Tennessee rookie is finally on the Smoky Mtn. event list in place of 1311.

The Waterford District is now listed on the FIRST event site.

Still no movement as a result of the latest waitlist invitations.

Mark McLeod 13-12-2010 10:03

Re: Registration 2011
 
Here is the current tally for how many events teams are signed-up for. This includes Regionals, Districts, and Championship.

Overall ~a quarter of teams do more than one event.

# Events/#Teams
5 Count 1
4 Count 4
3 Count 61
2 Count 490
1 Count 1523

IndySam 13-12-2010 10:16

Re: Registration 2011
 
New rookie just appeared at Boilermaker, any more pop up over the weekend?

AdamHeard 13-12-2010 10:29

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 985278)
Here is the current tally for how many events teams are signed-up for. This includes Regionals, Districts, and Championship.

Overall ~a quarter of teams do more than one event.

# Events/#Teams
5 Count 1
4 Count 4
3 Count 61
2 Count 490
1 Count 1523

Who is the 5 count?

Mark McLeod 13-12-2010 10:31

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 985280)
New rookie just appeared at Boilermaker, any more pop up over the weekend?

8 new rookies appeared over the weekend counting the new Indiana team, one rookie dropped out.

Right now it looks like JC Penny is sponsoring 129 rookies.
They seem to account for the big increase in rookie teams this year.

Rookie team 3785 is being sponsored by #64 The Gila Monsters, remember them?
The Gila Monsters last played in 2005 and were somewhat replaced by team 39 who have not re-registered to play this season.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 985283)
Who is the 5 count?

Team 141

Mark McLeod 13-12-2010 11:51

Re: Registration 2011
 
Here are the registration fees teams have/will pay so far:
  • Initial fee (vet): 1657 teams @ $5,000 = $8,285,000
  • Initial fee (newish): 423 teams @ $6,500 = $2,749,500
  • 2nd+ events: 482 event slots @ $4,000 = $1,928,000
  • MI 3rd events: 6 teams @ $500 = $3,000
  • Championship: 140 teams @ $5,000 = $700,000
Total FRC registration fees = $13,665,500

KrazyCarl92 13-12-2010 21:47

Re: Registration 2011
 
Is this the largest single year growth in the number of FRC teams so far?

Vikesrock 13-12-2010 22:02

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 985293)
MI 3rd events: 0 teams @ $500 = $0

I'm not sure how many MI teams are signed up for 3 events, but I know at least 2337 and 141 are registered for 3 right now.

Basel A 13-12-2010 22:18

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikesrock (Post 985446)
I'm not sure how many MI teams are signed up for 3 events, but I know at least 2337 and 141 are registered for 3 right now.

Man, Clint (head mentor) is fast... I wasn't even aware of this!

lynca 14-12-2010 00:36

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 985293)
Here are the registration fees teams have/will pay so far:
  • Initial fee (vet): 1657 teams @ $5,000 = $8,285,000
  • Initial fee (newish): 423 teams @ $6,500 = $2,749,500
  • 2nd+ events: 488 event slots @ $4,000 = $1,952,000
  • MI 3rd events: 0 teams @ $500 = $0
  • Championship: 140 teams @ $5,000 = $700,000
Total FRC registration fees = $13,686,500

Impressive amount of money! Makes me wonder how much is spent on FIRST fields and how much more money regionals have to raise. :ahh:

Andrew Schreiber 14-12-2010 09:42

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lynca (Post 985470)
Impressive amount of money! Makes me wonder how much is spent on FIRST fields and how much more money regionals have to raise. :ahh:

http://usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Who...bsite_Copy.pdf May answer some of your questions.

Edit: Or http://usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Who...Report2009.pdf

Mark McLeod 14-12-2010 10:23

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikesrock (Post 985446)
I'm not sure how many MI teams are signed up for 3 events, but I know at least 2337 and 141 are registered for 3 right now.

Thanks for catching that, I was assuming...
53 teams are still only registered for a single District event, and I forgot 3rd District sign-up opened while I was away.

Six Michigan teams have already been registered for third events.
Teams: 27, 123, 141, 302, 904, 2337

Mark McLeod 15-12-2010 13:55

Re: Registration 2011
 
We just lost the Netherlands, as well as Team 84, Chuck.

Alex Cormier 15-12-2010 14:06

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 985769)
as well as Team 84, Chuck.

That one is a surprise. Any news on why?

waialua359 15-12-2010 14:40

Re: Registration 2011
 
We were told by FIRST that they would let us know by tomorrow afternoon now. Lots of rookie teams going to Dallas as they are reserving spots.
We hope we get in, as I just got a quote for $430 round trip to Dallas, which is pretty cheap from HI. I hope the rate remains for a few days longer.

JaneYoung 15-12-2010 14:46

Re: Registration 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by waialua359 (Post 985775)
We were told by FIRST that they would let us know by tomorrow afternoon now. Lots of rookie teams going to Dallas as they are reserving spots.
We hope we get in, as I just got a quote for $430 round trip to Dallas, which is pretty cheap from HI. I hope the rate remains for a few days longer.

Glenn,

It would be so awesome to compete with you guys in Dallas! That fare is amazing! Let us know as soon as you find something out. :) You would be such an inspiration to all of the rookies! They would love it.

Jane

IndySam 15-12-2010 15:03

Re: Registration 2011
 
Mark
How many regionals have cleared waiting lists we are still waiting for Boilermaker?


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