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Boilermaker may be full, since they are at last year's capacity. Was there extra room last year and have you talked to the Regional Director about how many teams will be allowed in?
It's all very late this year. We got notified a week ago that we were given a slot and coming off the WPI waitlist, but the event list hasn't changed at all yet. We're going ahead now with travel plans based on the email, but it worries me. Based on last year's final capacity few events are down to zero space left. The events that are at last year's capacity (or we've been told they're full, like TN), and therefore presumably have no more room, are Boilermaker, LI, TN, NC, NYC. Maybe the Seattle double event, however, I saw a new rookie popup there on Monday. P.S. Eric, Team 84-Chuck is from Pennsylvania. It seems to me I noticed a post about helping them raise $ to compete this year. |
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Any changes to number of teams per state? Wondering if Michigan or California has came out on top yet.
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A new team 3877 from Madrid just joined and signed up for Colorado.
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Got a bit of waitlist clearance going on now.
Looks like everyone who was holding out has added teams now. 24 of 48 Regionals have updated their team lists. The Michigan Districts shuffled teams between themselves and still more have open slots now. P.S. Bomb Squad did get into Alamo to rejoin their Arkansas JC Penny rookies. This is a more realistic view of multiple events now that most waitlists have been worked over. It'll continue to change, primarily as Michigan continues to enroll up to Kickoff and then adds 64 or so State Champ teams. # Events -- # Teams 4 -------------- 5 3 ------------- 73 2 ------------ 549 1 ----------- 1405 |
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Teams that played last year but haven't returned this year (by area).
MI and CA are equivalent in size, but MI had twice the attrition rate. Loss as a % in the largest areas, Minnesota wins: (Note: reworked these using last seasons total teams)
MI ---------- 20 CA ---------- 11 OK ---------- 8 NY ---------- 8 Israel ------- 8 IL ----------- 7 OH ---------- 6 WA ---------- 5 FL ----------- 5 CO ---------- 5 CANADA-ON - 5 VA ---------- 4 TX ---------- 4 NJ ---------- 4 MA ---------- 4 IN ---------- 4 AZ ---------- 4 UT ---------- 3 PA ---------- 3 OR ---------- 3 MO ---------- 3 GA ----------- 3 CT ----------- 3 WI ----------- 2 TN ----------- 2 SC ----------- 2 NC ----------- 2 MS ----------- 2 LA ----------- 2 KS ----------- 2 HI ----------- 2 DC ----------- 2 AL ----------- 2 Turkey ------ 1 PR ----------- 1 NV ----------- 1 NM ----------- 1 Netherlands - 1 MT ----------- 1 MN ----------- 1 ME ----------- 1 MD ----------- 1 CANADA-QC - 1 CANADA-BC - 1 AK ------------ 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And on the positive side, here are the teams, by area, that are playing. Twelve countries are represented. Area ----- Registered CA ---------- 175 MI ---------- 171 TX ---------- 145 MN ---------- 130 NY ---------- 127 WA ----------- 82 VA ----------- 68 CANADA-ON - 65 NJ ----------- 64 FL ----------- 61 MA ---------- 53 MO ---------- 52 Israel ------- 48 OH ---------- 48 OK ---------- 48 PA ---------- 48 IL ---------- 44 CT ---------- 42 AZ ---------- 40 GA ---------- 38 NC ---------- 36 CO ---------- 35 IN ---------- 35 OR ---------- 35 MD ---------- 34 NH ---------- 33 WI ---------- 32 HI ---------- 26 SC ---------- 25 LA ---------- 24 KS ---------- 19 UT ---------- 18 TN ---------- 16 CANADA-QC - 14 DC ---------- 14 KY ---------- 14 ID ---------- 13 Mexico ----- 12 AL ---------- 11 MS ---------- 11 NV ---------- 11 ME ----------- 8 MT ----------- 7 Brazil -------- 5 RI ----------- 5 WV ---------- 5 AR ----------- 4 Turkey ------ 4 IA ----------- 3 ND ----------- 3 VT ----------- 3 WY ---------- 3 AK ---------- 2 DE ---------- 2 NM ---------- 2 PR ---------- 2 UNITED KINGDOM - 2 Australia ----------- 1 CANADA-AB -------- 1 Chile ---------------- 1 Germany ----------- 1 Herzegovina -------- 1 Spain --------------- 1 |
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Do you have the opposite stat? Teams that didn't play last year, but are playing this year? Just curious, because I'm helping a dormant team get reestablished this year, and I know a few other mentors starting up new teams.
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We have 16 resurrected veteran teams that did not play last season.
Last played ---- # teams 2-yr ago ---------- 6 3-yr --------------- 4 4-yr --------------- 1 5-yr --------------- 2 8-yr --------------- 1 9-yr --------------- 1 18-yr -------------- 1 I haven't gone through the rookies exhaustively to see if other old teams are hidden under new numbers. I did notice or was told of a couple. Area -- # vets resurrected NY ------------ 4 CANADA-ON - 3 CA ------------ 1 FL ------------ 1 GA ----------- 1 Israel -------- 1 MA ----------- 1 MI ------------ 1 OH ----------- 1 TX ----------- 1 WA ---------- 1 Here's where all the teams that didn't play last year are from. This includes rookies, new teams treated as vets, and resurrected vets that didn't play last season. Area ----- New Teams MI ---------- 52 TX ---------- 45 CA ---------- 33 WA ---------- 28 MN ---------- 26 FL ---------- 22 NC ---------- 19 CANADA-ON - 16 NY ---------- 15 GA ---------- 10 LA ---------- 9 Mexico ----- 9 CT ---------- 8 KY ---------- 8 TN ---------- 8 MO ---------- 7 OH ---------- 7 OK ---------- 7 CANADA-QC - 6 IL ----------- 6 Israel ------- 6 PA ---------- 6 VA ---------- 6 AZ ---------- 5 CO ---------- 5 IN ---------- 5 MA ---------- 5 MD ---------- 5 OR ---------- 5 SC ---------- 5 UT ---------- 5 AL ---------- 4 HI ---------- 4 NJ ---------- 4 AR ---------- 3 ME ---------- 3 NH ---------- 3 WI ---------- 3 ID ---------- 2 KS ---------- 2 MT ---------- 2 Turkey ----- 2 WV ---------- 2 DC ---------- 1 MS ---------- 1 RI ----------- 1 Spain ------- 1 |
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We received word a few days back that we had been added to the line-up in Lone Star. It's good to see our name on the list this morning.
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Mark, I see team 358 is on the list for WPI--I look forward to meeting you there.
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I may be disappointing in person, I fail to spout random facts.
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So watching the NFL draft is boooooriiiig. I'm going to start a campaign to get you on Sports Center to talk about the teams, who is going where and why, the relationships with rookie teams, etc.
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Both Pittsburgh and North Carolina have had teams added off the waitlist. I'm not sure if they are done yet - Pittsburgh claimed to have up to 39 total spots.
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How about this...
If some of you are willing to take a shot at your own local Regionals, where you know who's just visiting and who always comes, I could do the remainder. It would be a coarse estimate across most of the events, since we have limited local knowledge, but it could be based on where teams consistently go over the past, say three years. |
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For the Philadelphia Regional, I count about 63% under ~1 hour of travel, and 42% with around 30min or less. (That's from PA, NJ, and DE.)
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For WPI in its second year, 17 out of 34 are new to the event after the wait list was cleared.
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I would be curious how many teams in the DC regional are either in DC or within 50 miles if the city.
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I think the North Carolina regional is filled at 51 teams, up from 44 teams its first year.
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For NJ, 8 of 60 are "not from around here". Including 2 Brazilians and a Turkish team - very cool, four national anthems! (Waldo from Canada is also attending, we haven't seen them since they won Chairman's in 2008).
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Here is everywhere, including what you've all contributed.
This is rough and has no guarantee of accuracy, but it's a ballpark summary. Those who contributed understand how arbitrary the cutoff can be between home & away teams. I put the rough criteria in the attached spreadsheet with the summary data. Event --------------------- #Teams - #Local - #Away - % away - Rookies - Not at '10 Event BAE/Granite State Regional --- 53 ---- 44 ----- 9 ---- 17% ----- 8% ---------- 25% New Jersey Regional ----------- 60 ---- 44 ---- 16 ---- 27% ----- 8% ---------- 30% Finger Lakes Regional --------- 44 ---- 31 ---- 13 ---- 30% ----- 9% ---------- 27% Alamo Regional ---------------- 60 ---- 55 ----- 5 ----- 8% ---- 32% --------- 100% San Diego Regional ------------ 59 ---- 44 ---- 15 ---- 25% ---- 22% ---------- 47% Florida Regional --------------- 63 ---- 58 ----- 5 ----- 8% ---- 32% ---------- 43% WPI Regional ------------------ 34 ---- 17 ---- 17 ---- 50% ----- 6% ---------- 50% Lake Superior Regional -------- 42 ---- 41 ----- 1 ----- 2% ---- 21% --------- 100% Greater Kansas City Regional - 55 ---- 47 ----- 8 ---- 15% ----- 9% ---------- 16% Pittsburgh Regional ----------- 35 ---- 20 ---- 15 ---- 43% ---- 11% ---------- 40% Wisconsin Regional ------------ 53 ---- 32 ---- 21 ---- 40% ----- 8% ---------- 32% New York City Regional ------- 65 ---- 44 ---- 21 ---- 32% ----- 6% ---------- 28% Israel Regional ---------------- 52 ---- 50 ----- 2 ----- 4% ---- 10% ---------- 13% Arizona Regional -------------- 45 ---- 45 ----- 0 ----- 0% ---- 13% ---------- 13% Sacramento Regional ---------- 47 ---- 35 ---- 12 ---- 26% ---- 23% ---------- 47% Peachtree Regional ------------ 49 ---- 44 ----- 5 ---- 10% ---- 20% ---------- 33% Boilermaker Regional ---------- 41 ---- 35 ----- 6 ---- 15% ---- 12% ---------- 24% Bayou Regional ---------------- 40 ---- 34 ----- 6 ---- 15% ---- 30% ---------- 45% Chesapeake Regional ---------- 63 ---- 32 ---- 31 ---- 49% ----- 8% ---------- 49% Saint Louis Regional ---------- 31 ---- 25 ----- 6 ---- 19% ---- 26% ---------- 35% Oklahoma Regional ------------ 52 ---- 48 ----- 4 ----- 8% ---- 13% ---------- 19% Lone Star Regional ------------ 57 ---- 57 ----- 0 ----- 0% ---- 28% ---------- 32% Seattle Olympic Regional ------ 50 ---- 35 ---- 15 ---- 30% ---- 36% ---------- 64% Seattle Cascade Regional ------ 48 ---- 46 ----- 2 ----- 4% ---- 17% ---------- 21% Waterloo Regional ------------- 29 ---- 21 ----- 8 ---- 28% ----- 7% ---------- 34% Los Angeles Regional ---------- 63 ---- 59 ----- 4 ----- 6% ---- 11% ---------- 17% Washington DC Regional ------ 49 ---- 33 ---- 16 ---- 33% ----- 6% ---------- 33% Hawaii Regional --------------- 29 ---- 26 ----- 3 ---- 10% ---- 17% ---------- 21% Midwest Regional -------------- 51 ---- 34 ---- 17 ---- 33% ---- 12% ---------- 37% SBPLI Long Island Regional --- 50 ---- 43 ----- 7 ---- 14% ----- 6% ---------- 18% Autodesk Oregon Regional ----- 60 ---- 36 ---- 24 ---- 40% ---- 13% ---------- 30% Palmetto Regional ------------- 46 ---- 25 ---- 21 ---- 46% ---- 11% ---------- 57% Greater Toronto West Regional - 36 ---- 34 ----- 2 ----- 6% ---- 25% ---------- 36% Greater Toronto East Regional - 36 ---- 29 ----- 7 ---- 19% ---- 31% ---------- 47% Silicon Valley Regional -------- 44 ---- 42 ----- 2 ----- 5% ----- 9% ---------- 14% Connecticut Regional --------- 53 ---- 38 ---- 15 ---- 28% ---- 17% ---------- 34% 10,000 Lakes Regional -------- 62 ---- 53 ----- 9 ---- 15% ---- 15% ---------- 29% North Star Regional ----------- 59 ---- 48 ---- 11 ---- 19% ---- 14% ---------- 37% Las Vegas Regional ------------ 42 ---- 11 ---- 31 ---- 74% ----- 5% ---------- 43% Smokey Mountain Regional ---- 50 ---- 15 ---- 35 ---- 70% ---- 30% --------- 100% Colorado Regional ------------- 45 ---- 37 ----- 8 ---- 18% ---- 16% ---------- 29% Boston Regional --------------- 45 ---- 40 ----- 5 ---- 11% ---- 13% ---------- 27% North Carolina Regional ------- 51 ---- 36 ---- 15 ---- 29% ---- 33% ---------- 65% Buckeye Regional -------------- 57 ---- 42 ---- 15 ---- 26% ---- 12% ---------- 30% Philadelphia Regional ---------- 57 ---- 36 ---- 21 ---- 37% ----- 4% ---------- 35% Dallas East/West Regional ----- 48 ---- 47 ----- 1 ----- 2% ---- 33% ---------- 35% Utah Regional ----------------- 28 ---- 28 ----- 0 ----- 0% ---- 25% ---------- 25% Virginia Regional -------------- 60 ---- 53 ----- 7 ---- 12% ----- 7% ---------- 22% |
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Don't we have team from Saltillo, Mexico coming to Lone Star? FRC 3526 - Blue Ignition? (Great name and motto, guys!) 3526 Team Name General Motors Ramos Arizpe / Nortek Controls / ACS-Xerox & ITESM Campus Saltillo Team Location Saltillo, CU Mexico Rookie Season 2011 Team Nickname Blue ignition Team Motto Let's fire up science & technology...! Team Website http://www.blueignition.com.mx Jane |
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Just my arbitrary nature.
You can see the criteria I used next to each regional in the spreadsheet attached earlier. Everyone's free to reject and rework the numbers as you like. Just publish the new numbers here with the rational behind it. If you want it I have another spreadsheet I can post with excruciating team-by-team detail on who was counted as a home team and who was counted as an away team. It might be easier to rework the numbers on that. It's a messy sheet though, because I automatically generated it and then went through reviewing team-by-team to see if it made a coarse kind of sense. Yes, Texas sees a few Mexican teams this year, but since Mexico doesn't have a closer regional than Texas I arbitrarily counted it as a home team. The same thing goes for Mexico teams attending San Diego. I only counted Mexico teams as away if they hopped over a closer Regional to go someplace like Toronto. It's really extreme for IA, WY, MT, ID who have quite a drive, but no close regional to attend. For teams that don't really have a regional I just counted them as a home team if they went to the same place as last year or if they were rookies and the regional was the closest one. |
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Thanks for the kind words Kevin and the rest of you.
The best bet for NYC is to talk to someone at FIRST and maybe the Regional Director Ana Martinez in NYC to see what may be happening. NYC let one team off it's waitlist this past Thursday, but there's no telling where they've drawn the line or how many other teams are on their waitlist. It looks like there might be up to two more NYC teams that normally attend, but don't show up on the event list (yet). Complicating matters are some NYC teams that could not get into their traditional LI Regional this year. I imagine across the board FIRST will eventually ask waitlist teams if they can move to open slots at other area events. They have plenty of room in the Javits Center, but looking back at their match turn-around last year they ran late by about an hour and a half each day of the Qualifiers/Finals, and they still only got in 8 matches rather than the average 10 most other events managed. That might mean FIRST will be leery of adding too many more teams. P.S. Michigan has been adding teams today filling out more of Waterford and Niles, plus four other teams in Livonia and Troy. |
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It looks as though the time afforded FIRST finance by the holiday schedule has allowed them to work thorugh some of the delays created by the lateness of NASA grants amoung other late developing funds. Several more waitlisted teams are now registered for events.
Case in point, the Alamo event is now up to the maximum 64 team size with Michigan, Georgia, Arkansas and Mexico sending the half-dozen out of state teams to the event. Still seems to be some issues to work through or resolve in regards to the status/size of the Dallas event but it is now sitting at 49 registered teams. Lonestar appears to still have room with 57 teams registered in a venue that has room for up to 64 teams in the spacious George R. Brown Convention Center. I recall that event being a 63 team event last year. |
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Today Bill listed the events that still have room. http://frcdirector.blogspot.com/
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Taking Bill's list here's a guesstimate of how many slots are available at each of the events he mentioned. These numbers are based on a combination of last year's capacities, interpolation, and your basic guesswork. No direct knowledge of Regional attendance policies is implied.
20 - Bayou 20 - Duluth 12 - Oklahoma 11 - Wisconsin 11 - Seattle 9 -- Kansas City 9 -- Hawaii 9 -- Toronto 9 -- Las Vegas 7 -- Lone Star 7 -- Peachtree 6 -- Utah 6 -- Fingerlakes 5 -- Arizona 5 -- Palmetto 5 -- Buckeye 4 -- Oregon 4 -- Midwest 4 -- Washington DC 4 -- New Jersey 4 -- Silicon Valley 4 -- Connecticut 3 -- North Carolina 3 -- Colorado 1 -- Florida 1 -- Boston |
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Here are the average number of events that teams hailing from different places are signed up to attend as of New Year's. Delaware's two teams come out on top by attending 5 events between them. This includes Championship (less ~200 teams that will add-in after winning), but is missing the Michigan State event of course. All MI 3rd event registrations have also been backed out. All but a single team has 2 MI events, but 7 MI teams are playing at one or more outside Regionals in addition. Avg # ---- # ------- # Events - Teams - Events - Place 2.50 ------- 2 ----- 5 ----- DE 2.11 ----- 171 -- 360 ----- MI 2.00 ------- 3 ----- 6 ----- IA 2.00 ------- 1 ----- 2 ----- Chile 1.69 ------ 48 ---- 81 ----- PA 1.66 ------ 32 ---- 53 ----- NH 1.60 ------- 5 ----- 8 ----- RI 1.60 ------- 5 ----- 8 ----- WV 1.57 ------ 42 ---- 66 ----- CT 1.57 ------ 35 ---- 55 ----- IN 1.57 ------ 65 --- 102 ----- Canada-ON 1.56 ------ 32 ---- 50 ----- WI 1.56 ------ 34 ---- 53 ----- MD 1.52 ----- 175 --- 266 ----- CA 1.50 ------ 64 ---- 96 ----- NJ 1.50 ------- 4 ----- 6 ----- AR 1.44 ------ 43 ---- 62 ----- IL 1.44 ------ 25 ---- 36 ----- SC 1.40 ------- 5 ----- 7 ----- Brazil 1.36 ----- 127 --- 173 ----- NY 1.35 ------ 48 ---- 65 ----- OH 1.34 ------ 53 ---- 71 ----- MA 1.33 ------ 60 ---- 80 ----- FL 1.31 ------ 52 ---- 68 ----- MO 1.29 ------ 68 ---- 88 ----- VA 1.28 ------ 36 ---- 46 ----- NC 1.27 ------ 11 ---- 14 ----- NV 1.26 ------ 35 ---- 44 ----- OR 1.25 ------ 40 ---- 50 ----- AZ 1.25 ------- 8 ---- 10 ----- ME 1.25 ------- 4 ----- 5 ----- Turkey 1.23 ------ 26 ---- 32 ----- HI 1.21 ------ 14 ---- 17 ----- DC 1.18 ------ 82 ---- 97 ----- WA 1.18 ------ 11 ---- 13 ----- AL 1.17 ------- 6 ----- 7 ----- MT 1.16 ----- 145 --- 168 ----- TX 1.16 ------ 38 ---- 44 ----- GA 1.16 ------ 19 ---- 22 ----- KS 1.13 ----- 130 --- 147 ----- MN 1.13 ------ 48 ---- 54 ----- OK 1.11 ------ 35 ---- 39 ----- CO 1.09 ------ 11 ---- 12 ----- MS 1.08 ------ 24 ---- 26 ----- LA 1.08 ------ 13 ---- 14 ----- ID 1.07 ------ 14 ---- 15 ----- KY 1.06 ------ 16 ---- 17 ----- TN 1.06 ------ 18 ---- 19 ----- UT 1.02 ------ 49 ---- 50 ----- Israel 1.00 ------ 14 ---- 14 ----- Canada-QC 1.00 ------ 12 ---- 12 ----- Mexico 1.00 ------- 3 ----- 3 ----- ND 1.00 ------- 3 ----- 3 ----- VT 1.00 ------- 3 ----- 3 ----- WY 1.00 ------- 2 ----- 2 ----- AK 1.00 ------- 2 ----- 2 ----- NM 1.00 ------- 2 ----- 2 ----- PR 1.00 ------- 1 ----- 1 ----- Australia 1.00 ------- 1 ----- 1 ----- Bosnia 1.00 ------- 1 ----- 1 ----- Canada-AB 1.00 ------- 1 ----- 1 ----- Germany 1.00 ------- 1 ----- 1 ----- Spain 1.00 ------- 2 ----- 2 ----- Great Britain |
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(See following posts for explanation of the Seattle Shuffle. The teams will all return as they are reapportioned to evenly distribute rookies among veterans.)
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They are in the process of realigning the teams on the fields to get an even distribution of experienced teams. As part of the process, the teams are being removed from one regional and being assigned to the other. The reassignment hasn't occurred yet. We will be playing in Seattle, but were removed from the Olympic regional on Friday in preparation for the reassignment. Expect that our situation is similar to most of the teams that you have noted the loss of. Best regards, |
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Thanks for the explanation. That's a relief to know.
Paul Woo (PaW) pointed me to this link explaining what's going on in Seattle. |
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Dallas waitlisted team notification has been postponed indefinitely, so we decided to drop it today.
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We are actually going to Orlando, but during week "7" for the VEX World Championships.
We have to go to St. Louis or farther on 5 separate occasions from now to IRI. FLR would have broke our bank.:o |
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I forgot to mention earlier that the Toronto double-regional also did it's own version of the shuffle on a much smaller scale.
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Here are charts of 2011 teams by country (12 of them). Here are the 2011 international numbers/percentages: US -------------- 1925 -------- 92.50% Canada ----------- 80 ---------- 3.84% Israel ------------- 48 ---------- 2.31% Mexico ------------ 12 ---------- 0.58% Brazil -------------- 5 ---------- 0.24% Turkey ------------- 4 ---------- 0.19% United Kingdom --- 2 ---------- 0.10% Australia ----------- 1 ---------- 0.05% Chile --------------- 1 ---------- 0.05% Germany ---------- 1 ---------- 0.05% Herzegovina ------ 1 ---------- 0.05% Spain -------------- 1 ---------- 0.05% |
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The payment deadline for Championships has passed and we're now down to
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It looks like FIRST has begun to clear the Championship waitlist.
The number of teams dropped to 114 or so, now it's bounced back up to 125 as teams accept off the waitlist. There is still minor action on the Regional/District event lists. Four changed in the last 24 hours. One team has dropped out altogether. FIRST now shows 2076 teams. |
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2074 total teams, after having just lost a Lone Star rookie.
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I have to say, for a team who had waited anxiously week after week for a notification from FRC that they are now off the wait list and invited to the Championship event to have received this notice would have been the most disheartening mail to have received all year. I really feel for those teams who cannot attend yet have both the funding and desire to attend.
Back in 2000 when I attended my first "National Event" at Epcott, pretty much all you had to do was have the $ and you made it to the Nationals. Little did I know that those seemingly plentiful slots would become all so sought after as years passed. It's been a very quick 11 years. I wonder what the Championship Event will be like in 2022? How difficult will it be to get into when there are 3000+ active teams. We were so lucky to have joined when we did. Good luck to all teams attending the Championship Event. |
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So what's the magic number for the Championship this year? The team list shows 346 right now, last year there were 344, 348 in '09, 340 in '08, and 344 in '07 and '06.
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I agree. Turn 4 divisions of 85+ teams, into 8 divisions of 60 teams. That would be a total of 480 teams that could come to Championships. That's almost an additional 140 teams that could experience the Championship. It would also give teams a better chance to get to the eliminations on Saturday.
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Don't forget though...by adding 1, 2, 4 fields you're adding a HUGE amount of money that needs to be raised/spent. Not to mention you're going to need another huge lump of volunteers to setup, run, break down the fields. Not to mention more safety advisors, judges, other key volunteers to handle the extra 80 teams.
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Pros of a CMP format with 8 60-team divisions instead of 4 85-team divisions:
More teams get to go to CMP Twice as many teams get to compete in Eliminations at CMP. Everyone gets to play more qualification matches, which means the elimination alliances *should* be better quality, due to a more accurate ranking. Full elimination bracket on Einstein Cons: (For reference, an NFL field is 360x160, or 57,600 sqft) Need 13 fields. (Based on Week 3 this year, 14 Logomotion fields exist, possibly 15, since I understand FIRST HQ keeps a spare field in a truck ready to go at all times through competition season.) Need space for ~13 fields: 8 divisional fields, Einstein, plus 4 practice fields. (50x80' footprint each, 4000sq ft * 13 = 52,000sqft.) Need space for ~500 teams (10x10 pits, 50,000sqft) Need seating for ~500 teams worth of people (500 x 20 = 10,000. 10,000 people on 24" centers = 240,000" of linear space, or 20,000 ft of grandstand rows which are usually 2.5' deep, so 50,000sqft of grandstands) Thats 152,000 sqft, before you even account for aisleways, and all the sponsor booths, and FTC/(J)FLL/Collegiate stuff. 8 divisional fields, plus a 9th field (einstein), plus a 10th field sized footprint (FTC) = 40,000 sq ft. it CAN be fit onto a NFL field, especially when you consider the floor of an NFL stadium extends past the edges of the football field. (This is why i also don't understand the need to move 2 fields into the pits this year. Dome floor has TONS of space) The 10 footprints could be stacked 4 end to end, on each side, with 1 between the sides on each end. would result in a 320x180 total footprint. |
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Sorry to bring registration back into the Registration thread, but I thought an answer in another thread belonged here as well. Mostly, so it can be located next season when someone looks for it.
--------------------- 86.8% of the 2010 rookies returned to play again in 2011. (37 of 281 did not return) You need to compare that to the 2011 overall return rate of 91.5% (91.2% if you discount the rookies who did return) to make a valid comparison next year. There are some historical numbers here for how long teams last after their rookie year. It needs updating for this year and last. A description of what the chart means is given by the author here |
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Mark,
Can you explain the numbers that you used in the chart. I guess i don't understand how you get 100% from 2009, etc. and what is the 1672 represent? Quote:
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The original author of that particular chart is our webmaster and he described here how the values were generated.
See if that helps any. P.S. The 1672 should be 1677 (the total number of teams in 2009). This chart was last generated before the final registration quite settled out that year. |
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For reference, at St. Louis, the five halls are 340,000 sq. ft. not including the dome space. That space looks to be mostly used from the FIRST provided maps as to how tight it is hard to saw from the map. The dome is 105,000 - 145,000 sq ft of additional area. Is a space that would require bleachers/stands for all fields acceptable? Where would you have a near 500 team FRC group sit for the Einstein matches and awards (more if FTC and FLL groups are still around)? Ultimately, that question can be boiled down to this: is getting away from a stadium/convention center set-up acceptable? When I asked about what venues, I had in my head the stadium/convention center set up. Last year around this time, I think the three places that came up were Atlanta, St. Louis, and Indy. I may go back and look to see if any others were mentioned. |
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A late addition, here is a breakout of the 2010 teams that didn't return this season. The pie wedges are % of all of the 2011 season teams that dropped out.
The bulk (70%) of the dropouts had 4 or fewer years of experience. The average experience of all 2010 teams happens to be 4.1 years. P.S. Here are the dropouts from 2010 and 2009 just so we can see that the trend in dropouts has been gradually shrinking for the 1-year teams over the past three seasons. 3 year teams also dropped a bit this year. Two seasons ago the bulk (70%) of the dropouts had 3 or fewer years of experience. The 4-year team drop rate tripled this year alongside more modest jumps in the loss of 6 & 7-year teams. |
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It would be neat to see if any of these teams get restarted next year.
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Each year FRC recovers roughly 12% of the lost teams.
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4.3 is the mean for 2011 season ending teams, i.e., the newest teams are credited with having earned 1 year of experience. |
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Wow. That would mean the median was somewhere in the 3.6-3.8 range, by my guess. Median would probably be a better measurement of this, because age has a fixed lower bound (rookie = 0 or 1) but no fixed upper bound (except for the 20-year age of FIRST).
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The median for both 2010 and 2011 is 4.
The values I'm dealing with are only whole numbers from one to twenty. |
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I am a little confused, your 2009 and 2010 graphs have an orange bar after the 11 year drop out teams that does not seem to be on the access. 12th year drop out?
The years that make me sad are the 11 year plus drop out team. I always wonder what was the straw that broke the camels back for them. Making up a causation here: The fact the last large drop out group is the four year group, cause me to wonder if a large hump for teams is recruitment that dries up after the initial freshman graduate? [I realize that alot of these teams have issues with the other big humps(mentor retention, finances, school support, parent support, ect.), but what fun is data if you don't come to some wild conclusions] |
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FIRST's culture has historically been to celebrate rookies and seasoned veterans. Although this is starting to change, I can see a lot of 3-4 year teams falling through the cracks, when perhaps they may need the most help of all. (Yes, I realize this has been thoroughly discussed before, but that doesn't make it any less important.) |
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There doesn't seem to be any geographical correlation for the 4-year teams who dropped out in 2011. They are evenly spread out. It may be related to the original members, including the teacher/advisors/mentors/students, moving on or just looking for a new challenge to get involved in. Students are involved for ~3 to 4 years, mentors for 5.2 (according to Brandeis) - might be a correlation for people who don't place importance on succession planning - recruitment of students/mentors/teachers/advisors, fundraising for the generations that come after you, leadership & skill transferral, the wearing out of political support. P.S. No teams with more than 14 years experience have ever dropped out. |
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