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RoboDesigners 03-11-2010 20:45

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Oh, I got another one...
(I know this is pointless, but... :))
Ok, here goes:
1. A tennis ball is a sphere.
2. Spheres are one of the three "special shapes" that Archimedes studied
3. The FIRST logo is based on those three "special shapes"
4. The number 4 is cropping up everywhere

Therefore, the game will be played with 4 game items:
1. Sphere (circle)
2. Pyramid (triangle)
3. Cube (square)
4. A foam construction of the word "FIRST"

Side note:
What if the GDC uses these threads for designing future games? That could be scary! :)

Side note 2:
Have any of dlavery's comments/hints ever made sense (relating to the actual game)?

Katie_UPS 03-11-2010 22:05

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
My silly cents:
In 07 one game hint was the arm for the center rack... a game piece.
In 08 one game hint was the tortoise and the hare statues in Boston. That game was a "race"
In 09 one game hint was the fish. The MOON fish. LUNAcy.
In 10 the game hint was the middle gate, and the ball return... Both were parts of the field.

*Note: The GDC has no real consistency.*

Judging off that, my guess is a game piece. Unless we want to go the lunacy route, and assume the name of the object has something to do with the game. Tennis-ball surface, anyone? Reverse lunacy-TOO MUCH FRICTION TO EVEN MOVE.

Brandon_L 03-11-2010 22:05

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Oh boy. Its this time of year already?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboDesigners (Post 979517)
Side note 2:
Have any of dlavery's comments/hints ever made sense (relating to the actual game)?

Yep. Er, only the ones I remember at least.

Fish - If I remember correctly it was a moon fish. Lunacy=Moon theme, floor=low gravity simulation

2010 picture of section of the field - showed the turf we were going to play on, as well as showing what WASN'T in that part of the field (bumps, tower)

All I remember off the top of my head

EricH 03-11-2010 22:27

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RoboDesigners (Post 979517)
Side note 2:
Have any of dlavery's comments/hints ever made sense (relating to the actual game)?

Yes and no. His red herrings in 2006, in hindsight, fit the game perfectly. Someone actually came close to the game, but was still quite far out. (A couple of the hints were actually a link to the un-diabolically-twisted game idea, if you followed them right. One was placed in a caption contest, run by the guy who posted the "inspiration"...)

Of course, this only made sense after a couple days after Kickoff...

On the official hints:
2009 also had a riddle that told the type of surface, the location of the maker of the game objects, the existence of the trailers (again, between the lines), and something else, I forget what.
2008 had 3 hints; the last one was the letters for the encryption key (but not the symbols) and included a reference to one of the actions. I forget what the first one was.
2006 was a riddle in the shape of the game piece telling about bumpers, lights, and other miscellaneous details.
2003 was the scoring algorithm.
2004 was a line from "Stairway to Heaven" telling about the stairs and "heaven" (10' high bar) in the middle of the field.
2005 was a riddle having to do with the number 3 and the game name.

NickE 03-11-2010 23:06

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildcat (Post 979480)
in connection to the 4 discussion and the tennis ball, maybe it means that we will be playing on a field equivalent to a full size tennis court since it is about .4 times larger than a standard frc field

With FIRST already struggling to fit enough fields inside the arena in St. Louis, I doubt the physical fields will grow.

Karibou 03-11-2010 23:11

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 979540)
2008 had 3 hints; the last one was the letters for the encryption key (but not the symbols) and included a reference to one of the actions. I forget what the first one was.

The first hint from 2008 was the IR sensors that were shipped out to a few teams (http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ght=game+hint).

The second hint, which was already mentioned in this thread, was a set of coordinates pointing to a statue which referenced a race

pandamonium 03-11-2010 23:31

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
06-For aim high a clue was a "shovels show" one person figured it out! David spade... Just shoot me = shooting game (granted he didn't know he came up with it though)

many people figured out the race and the moonfish

a few people got the tube clue from a picture of the animation that was sent out and the soccer ball from the picture of the track mount that was sent out...

if Dave did give us the game piece it was probably for one of two reasons
#1. he knew we would over analyze it and possibly even overlook it
#2. This game is so crazy that he could ship us all tennis balls maybe even come right out and tell us that this game uses them but we would still not have the slightest idea of the crazy game concept.


*I was in the 5th grade classroom of the lego team I help with and had an idea so simple it hit me. The little chairs have tenis balls on the feet so they slide and don't make noise* = Moveable Goals!

blackiceskier 03-11-2010 23:34

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyberphil (Post 979501)
I have a speculation for you all:

What if it was not the actual ball he was referring to, but rather the stringy material on the outside of the ball. I am sure that material would be easily picked up by hook Velcro.

Lets see how far this goes. . . .

a spin off of this could be the field is the felt of the tennis ball kind of like the fish hint for lunacy was a reference to the slick field, maybe the field is going to be felt like

Just a FTCers opinion on the topic

r2davis2 04-11-2010 00:21

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Okay so here's a rather long and detailed trail of clues I've picked up so bear with me.

1. Penn ball - Sean Penn actor
2. Sean Penn - famous for Rainman
3. Rainman obsesses of "who is on first base"
4. when one types "first base" into google the 4th result is http://students.autodesk.com/?nd=first_home which is the autodesk page for FIRST robotics.

Thats were I ran out of clues but maybe someone else can pick up the trail, and yes I realize this is a huge stretch.

r2davis2 04-11-2010 00:30

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Okay so this one's a stretch, but does have some interesting coincidences, so here goes.

1. Penn ball = Sean Penn
2. Sean Penn is famous for his acting in Rainman
3. In Rainman Penn's character is obsessed "who is on first base"
4. when one types first base into google the 4th result is http://students.autodesk.com/?nd=first_home the autodesk FIRST robotics home
5.(this is where it gets even more sketchy) when you go under training resources two names are mentioned, Phil Dollan and Ted Boardman, and when these names are searched on google the 4th result is on of their blogs which has a google description that mentions FIRST and the Georgia Dome

Thats where I lost the "trail" if you can call it that, but maybe someone else can pick up another clue from this chain of "coincidences".

synth3tk 04-11-2010 00:45

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pandamonium (Post 979556)
if Dave did give us the game piece it was probably for one of two reasons
#1. he knew we would over analyze it and possibly even overlook it
#2. This game is so crazy that he could ship us all tennis balls maybe even come right out and tell us that this game uses them but we would still not have the slightest idea of the crazy game concept.

Running with #2, we wouldn't know what was legal. For all we know, we may be able to herd the balls, but not shoot them. Or, we may not be allowed to use vacuum/suction. There's just way too many factors of an FRC game to make any assumptions.

EricH 04-11-2010 01:12

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pandamonium (Post 979556)
06-For aim high a clue was a "shovels show" one person figured it out! David spade... Just shoot me = shooting game (granted he didn't know he came up with it though)

Actually, the game hint for 2006 was as follows:

____Five bots tangling with pasta
A game piece obsessed with a shovel's show
__And seeing Montana's green heights

The breakdown:
5 bots: during 2 periods of the game, only 5 robots could be on a side of the field. 2 were playing defense, hence the tangling. Pasta referred to the pool noodles used in bumpers.
Shovel's show: Just Shoot Me
Montana's green heights: High target, marked with a green light that could be seen. For bonus points, Joe Montana was an NFL quarterback, who threw footballs during 4 game periods every time he played.

Dave also referenced a "fox in the henhouse" (game objects tended to scatter when a robot came through, and the robots ate the balls before shooting them) and "hovercraft and the English Channel" (nice wide space in the middle of the field that had to be crossed to score) prior to the 2006 Kickoff.

Courtneyb1023 04-11-2010 08:27

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 979570)
Montana's green heights: High target, marked with a green light that could be seen.

That tennis ball looks suspiciously green-ish to me :)

Wayne TenBrink 04-11-2010 13:39

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Here's a radical thought: Maybe Dave was just wondering if the "universal robotic gripper" (different thread) with its smooth, high friction, vacuum forming, conforming skin could pick up something fuzzy, comparatively large, and flexible - like a tennis ball. He does have an inquisitive mind, after all. Perhaps it has nothing to do with the 2011 game.

But where's the fun in that???

pandamonium 04-11-2010 14:14

Re: 2011 Red Herring #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 979327)
The official game hint does not come out until December.

oops the first Dave comment in the first post was in reply to this post. which indicates that it may come early :)


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