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renglish 19-12-2010 14:50

Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
We are building a prototype to test 6 wheel drive. Could someone tell us the best way to arrange the drive chains?

R.C. 19-12-2010 14:52

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
Can you put up a picture of what your current drive configuration is?

-RC

EricH 19-12-2010 19:00

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
Depends. Where is the gearbox?

wilsonmw04 19-12-2010 21:00

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
here are are a few photos of our rookie year drive train. You might get a few ideas from this:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/27588

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/27587

TJ Cawley 20-12-2010 10:20

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
does this method of chains work well?
i've been prototyping chain drives and never though of 6-wheel power but it seems like a good design. do you use 3 chains per side? you could extend the drive chain so that it wrapped around the first two wheels, like on a caterpillar. that way you'd only be using two chains.

wilsonmw04 20-12-2010 10:28

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
two chains were used. 1 drove two wheels and was powered by one CIM. The other chain drove the front wheel getting power from the middle.

EricH 20-12-2010 11:50

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
330's setup has typically been 2 chains off the gearbox, one to rear, one to middle, and 1 chain from middle to front. Gearboxes were aft, which helped the robot settle on that side for slightly more stable driving. (6WD drop center)

buildmaster5000 20-12-2010 15:06

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 986829)
330's setup has typically been 2 chains off the gearbox, one to rear, one to middle, and 1 chain from middle to front. Gearboxes were aft, which helped the robot settle on that side for slightly more stable driving. (6WD drop center)

We used a similar setup this year. Two chains from the gearbox (to middle and rear wheels) and one chain from the middle to the front. Again, gearboxes were aft of center, but tensioning was a nightmare (we were using #35 chain).

wilsonmw04 20-12-2010 15:12

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by buildmaster5000 (Post 986880)
We used a similar setup this year. Two chains from the gearbox (to middle and rear wheels) and one chain from the middle to the front. Again, gearboxes were aft of center, but tensioning was a nightmare (we were using #35 chain).

Our set was way easy to tension. All we had to do was slide the motor shaft fore or aft to tension the back chain. The front chain was tensioned by sliding a small PVC pipe along the length of the chain and zip tying in place.

Ether 20-12-2010 15:19

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 986881)
Our set was way easy to tension. All we had to do was slide the motor shaft fore or aft to tension the back chain. The front chain was tensioned by sliding a small PVC pipe along the length of the chain and zip tying in place.

Have you been following the discussion in this thread? Static (ie non-rotating) tensioners are not receiving a favorable assessment over there.




Chris is me 20-12-2010 15:26

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
It's a lot easier to use one chain per connection than it is to use a single chain for multiple wheels. So 2 chains off the box and one chain from a wheel to another wheel.

billbo911 20-12-2010 15:39

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
Another alternative that I don't believe has been mentioned yet is:
Direct drive one set of wheels, then use chain to drive the sets.
For instance, direct drive the center set, then run a chain from center set to the front set and another from the center to the rear set. This can also be done by driving either the front or rear set of wheels and then chaining up the remaining sets. If you use #25 chain, this will also yield the lightest use of chain.
We have used this setup, as well as many other teams, with great success. The one caveat is to make certain your alignment and tensions are correct.

One not so obvious advantage to this design is that a single chain break will not cripple your drive train. In fact, multiple breaks might not either.

s_forbes 20-12-2010 16:43

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
You can really route your chains just about any way that you want, provided you have enough chain wrap around each sprocket. Teams have had success with just about everything.

My favorite method so far is a using just a single chain to provide power to all the drive wheels on one side (example here). It makes for a nice simple system that's easy to work on, but if the wheel sprockets are slightly eccentric it can be a pain to tension correctly.

wilsonmw04 20-12-2010 18:21

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 986885)
Another alternative that I don't believe has been mentioned yet is:
Direct drive one set of wheels, then use chain to drive the sets.

We used that same approach for Lunacy. it worked very well.

Clem1640 20-12-2010 18:50

Re: Chains for 6 wheel drive
 
We did 6wd for Lunacy.

We drive the center wheels directly. Fronts and back wheels were driven by individual chains each slaved to the center wheel master. The center wheel, in addition to being directly driven, had dual sprockets. This worked well, kept chain lengths short, and limited the impact of losing a chain in a game (which never happened, anyway).



Spacers on the sprockets kept the chain runs straight.


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