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r2davis2 21-12-2010 18:51

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Originally Posted by SealedSeven (Post 987418)
Did you get that Idea while playing Team Fortress 2? XD

no sir never played it

JaneYoung 21-12-2010 18:52

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I didn't find an Acropolis but I found an Astropolis earlier. A book written in 2009 about The Grand Conjunction. (I think). Anyway when searching for it again, I came across this.

acrease77 21-12-2010 18:52

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idk if anyone said this but the locomotion is a line dance, and they say "lets form a chain now"
,ay have to form a line to pass something from one bot to another?

GGCO 21-12-2010 18:53

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Originally Posted by Tyler Hicks (Post 987417)
The game piece is still a mystery....I'm going to assume it's not a ball.

Yeah, I really liked the idea of disks or "albums" being stacked on a pole which was mentioned on page 2 or 3. Then someone went ahead and posted the lyrics.... and now we're talking about planets and craziness!

Anyways, do you know if FIRST will acknowledge/explain the clue post-kickoff?

Tom Ore 21-12-2010 19:02

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"Little Eva" is also an area in Western Australia with gold and copper deposits. A Penn tennis ball may be the "gold". Some sort of mining game maybe...

unionylibertad 21-12-2010 19:02

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we're getting tired arent we?/ it's been nine minutes!

unionylibertad 21-12-2010 19:03

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Quote:

"Little Eva" is also an area in Western Australia with gold and copper deposits. A Penn tennis ball may be the "gold". Some sort of mining game maybe...
what are the chances?...

GGCO 21-12-2010 19:13

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Originally Posted by Tom Ore (Post 987429)
"Little Eva" is also an area in Western Australia with gold and copper deposits. A Penn tennis ball may be the "gold". Some sort of mining game maybe...

Really far fetched, but any thing is possible at this point.

hihi11111 21-12-2010 19:15

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so i have been reading this thread all day haha and what i think the game might be your bot is a train and you go around picking up things (tennis ball sized) and put it into your cart , but you have more then one cart attached to you. the one thats closer to you you get points but the one farther away oponents can put items into to take points away.



though this is an odd idea this game i know will be definely fun!


18 days!!

flippy147852 21-12-2010 19:23

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OK, from spending the last hour reading this entire thread front to back, this is what I think:

1. Locomotion will be the name of the game
2. Robots will attempt to move game pieces (tennis balls?) along a series of predetermined paths to goals that turn on/off. Robots will have to choose the right path to reach the right goal before the goal changes status.
3. The only water in this game will be in bottles. :(
4. The endgame will involve changing levels (hanging?)

Just my $0.02

r2davis2 21-12-2010 19:28

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Originally Posted by hihi11111 (Post 987436)
so i have been reading this thread all day haha and what i think the game might be your bot is a train and you go around picking up things (tennis ball sized) and put it into your cart , but you have more then one cart attached to you. the one thats closer to you you get points but the one farther away oponents can put items into to take points away.



though this is an odd idea this game i know will be definely fun!


18 days!!

sounds like a more insane Lunacy ;P

Basel A 21-12-2010 19:29

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Guys, you're missing something here..
The picture has a person in it; doesn't matter who it is
because all people have some things in common.
For example, all people are roughly 70% water..
So I propose the field will be covered by water 70%. Final 30% will probably be some sort of carpet..
But regardless, water game!

r2davis2 21-12-2010 19:34

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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 987440)
Guys, you're missing something here..
The picture has a person in it; doesn't matter who it is
because all people have some things in common.
For example, all people are roughly 70% water..
So I propose the field will be covered by water 70%. Final 30% will probably be some sort of carpet..
But regardless, water game!

no no no the other 30% of the game is flying

davidthefat 21-12-2010 19:43

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Is it Diana Ross? My team captain thinks so

D.Allred 21-12-2010 19:45

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Wow. More than 300 posts already. I guess everyone was desperate for a hint.

I think the Loco-Motion theme is still the front runner so far, although the game could still be anything. The theme does seem to fit the "Penn" Station theory from the Red Herring thread.

The Loco-Motion is a great song. How about dancing robots! (Come on hipsterjr ... "Your bot can score, but can it dance!")

You know, choreographed back up singers were a big deal in the 60's. Hmm... Co-opertition anyone?

jblay 21-12-2010 19:48

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The song locomotion was featured in the 1993 film Matinee staring John Goodman. John Goodman was in the 2009 film Beyond All Boundaries starring Kevin Bacon.

This years game piece is Kevin Bacon. Only one will be put in each team's kop.

Basel A 21-12-2010 19:48

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It's absolutely Little Eva. De-flipped, uncropped picture here

davidthefat 21-12-2010 19:49

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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 987448)
It's absolutely Little Eva. De-flipped, uncropped picture here

Oh Ok Then, not Diana Ross

andreboos 21-12-2010 20:09

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Originally Posted by jblay (Post 987447)
This years game piece is Kevin Bacon. Only one will be put in each team's kop.

Does using Kevin Bacon in a robot increase one's Bacon Number?

Clourchn07 21-12-2010 20:11

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After reading the enitre thread, all 21 pages!
First off: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Eva
Then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom%27s_Cabin#Eva

The Eva in uncle tom's cabin talks about drowning, So Water Game!

But all jokes aside:
The picture is reversed, today is the winter solstice the clock gets reversed, today is 12/21 which is reversed, and this is '11 which is reversed!
The autonomous is at the end or the game switches or reverses some how, maybe like the offense defense in Aim High

I like the idea of the bonus for the robot locomotion limbs, just note the pnuematic muscle only contracts about two inches at 60 psi

I also like the idea of a second elevated field, maybe something to pull back and forth for a multiplier or release, mini robots on top, or an overhead railway system

Whatever the game is and whatever this hint means, I am now very excited for the new season!

Only 18 more days and a few really long speeches until we know if we were right!

Edit: I just missed number 316 my team's number!

DonRotolo 21-12-2010 20:16

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Originally Posted by Clourchn07 (Post 987452)
After reading the enitre thread, all 21 pages!

You are a better person than I. I'm simply unwilling to read all that.

From past years' experience: The "best" hit on what the hint means has always come in the first three pages pf CD posts. Everything after that does not get any better. Therefore, I'm sticking to the first 3 5 pages of posts; i.e., Locomotion.

By the way, what is the etymology of Locomotion? Anything to do with the Spanish word "loco"? :p

spartan058 21-12-2010 20:17

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Maybe it has something to do with the UN declaring that 2011 will be International year of Forests, and International year of Chemistry?

Or maybe it's related to Uncle Tom's Cabin somehow? Little Eva is the name of a character from Uncle Tom's Cabin, and the performer who's in the pic had the stage name of Little Eva...

JaneYoung 21-12-2010 20:21

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Originally Posted by Don Rotolo (Post 987455)
From past years' experience: The "best" hit on what the hint means has always come in the first three pages pf CD posts. Everything after that does not get any better. Therefore, I'm sticking to the first 3 pages of posts; i.e., Locomotion.

We weren't even warmed up at page 3. You're missing all the good stuff.

Jane

PAR_WIG1350 21-12-2010 20:33

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Originally Posted by r2davis2 (Post 987442)
no no no the other 30% of the game is flying

Are you implying that we are all full of hot air, because you might be on to something there.:]

Karibou 21-12-2010 20:33

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Originally Posted by Clourchn07 (Post 987452)
The picture is reversed, today is the winter solstice the clock gets reversed, today is 12/21 which is reversed, and this is '11 which is reversed!

I don't know if I can believe that to be a coincidence.

synth3tk 21-12-2010 20:35

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Originally Posted by JaneYoung (Post 987458)
We weren't even warmed up at page 3. You're missing all the good stuff.

Jane

In fact, that's when we found the initial info.

EricH 21-12-2010 20:38

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Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 987466)
I don't know if I can believe that to be a coincidence.

Reverse Robotics. Fastest team to unscore the entire 2004 game, starting on the bar, wins. And by unscore, I mean put the field back to the way it looked at the start of the game.

Then the field crew gets to "reset" the entire game.

torihoelscher 21-12-2010 20:40

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Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 987052)


You know we already are! :) Talk to you soon! :P

jyh947 21-12-2010 20:41

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Haagen Dazs-Began in 1961
Little Eva's Locomotive- Released in 1962
1961-Fifty years before 2011.

Anyone wanna do more research about 1961?

synth3tk 21-12-2010 20:42

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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 987471)
Reverse Robotics. Fastest team to unscore the entire 2004 game, starting on the bar, wins. And by unscore, I mean put the field back to the way it looked at the start of the game.

Then the field crew gets to "reset" the entire game.

Consider my mind blown. ::rtm::

davidthefat 21-12-2010 20:51

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Little Eva -> Uncle Tom's Cabin -> Civil War + Water -> Uss Monitor v Css Virginia -> Iron clad Game

DonRotolo 21-12-2010 20:55

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Originally Posted by JaneYoung (Post 987458)
We weren't even warmed up at page 3. You're missing all the good stuff.

I won't do it, I won't. I have more important things to .... (ooh! Squirrel!) :ahh:

unionylibertad 21-12-2010 20:59

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Little Eva -> Uncle Tom's Cabin -> Civil War + Water -> Uss Monitor v Css Virginia -> Iron clad Game
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD!!!! :D

unionylibertad 21-12-2010 21:01

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Anyone wanna do more research about 1961?
well yuri gagarin is the obvious thing that pops into my mind

Grim Tuesday 21-12-2010 21:12

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My theory revolves around the concept of the picture being reversed, or mirrored. I may or may not have gone a bit overboard on it, but whatever.

OK, so there are two types of symmetry: Rotational and Reflective. While working with videogames, I have discovered a fine example of the two: The game Team Fortress 2, which I map for.

Anyways, every FRC game so far has had both types of symmetry, which while fair, is a bit boring. Enter stage left my hand dandy drawing. I didnt feel like making all other games, but trust me, they are all rotated, and have both types of symmetry.



In my time working with TF2, I discovered a different type of symmetry: The reflection, which reflects the base over a line of symmetry.


This is an example of rotational (only) symmetry. It allows someone on the red team to turn left at the exact same place that a member of the blue team turns left on their side. This allows people to only have to memorize half the field, or map in this case. Note the crossing arrows. If someone wants to go to the opposite identical portion of the field, then they must cross fully through the middle.


This on the other hand, is reflectional symmetry. Both sides are reflected over the axis. If one team's player turns left, then the other right, and vise versa. It allows for a slightly more dynamic gameplay, possibly for the sole reason that it is not the norm. It is just different, and although one may not realize it, it will create a very different game.

Now, you may say, how may this apply to FIRST, how could they make a reflectively symmetrical field? It would also allow them to use angled elements, something that is not possible in a rotationally symmetrical game. It should also be notes that it is quite hard to make a game piece through the LOS in a reflectively symmetrical field.
My example of a field in this type:


Anyways, Food for Thought.

Other possibilities of the reflection:

-Light based game

-Red herring

-It was simply there to stop people from reverse searching it

-"Competitive co-op" There is a mirror across the field, and your team races vs the other team to complete an objective that doesn't require contact.

r2davis2 21-12-2010 21:13

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Originally Posted by unionylibertad (Post 987483)
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD!!!! :D

about 8 straight hours of posting every few seconds

JaneYoung 21-12-2010 21:18

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Originally Posted by Don Rotolo (Post 987482)
I won't do it, I won't. I have more important things to .... (ooh! Squirrel!) :ahh:


Don,
Just get a nice big box of chocolate-covered maraschino cherries and a cup of coffee and settle yourself down for a fun read. You'll be amazed at the ideas that you are going to have pop into your head.

Jane

lmgarg5 21-12-2010 21:18

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HER MIDDLE NAME IS NARSSASIS THAT IS ALSO THE NAME OF A GREEK LEGEND IN WHICH A MAN IS SO PREOCUPIED WITH HIMSELF HE ALWAYS CARRIES A MIRROR...ALSO THE IMAGE IS FLIPPED (LIKE A MIRROR IMAGE) LASTLY SHE IS LEANING ON A COLUMN COLUMNS=GREEK :D

dag0620 21-12-2010 21:23

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The thing I think I'm going to say is everyone should probably sleep on this! (If your not going to sleep soon you should, the time for little sleep will come in 18 days).

Closing thoughts for the day until I resume alot of thinking and discussion tommrow.

- Locomotion, must be involved with the name, or uses some sort of train.

- The Pillar, I know alot of people are putting it aside, but I don't know guys, I feel like it has some importance.

- Wackiest clue yet - Probably, my intial reactions was pretty off.

We have alot to consider, but hopefully the next hint will clarify things. As I said before, I look forward to going back after the 8th and seeing how right or wrong we all were.


oh and I wish I had a round table going tonight ... darn :P

PAR_WIG1350 21-12-2010 21:23

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Nobody has mentioned beehives. We must be out of practice with our over-analysis.

Yes, I searched the thread

Grim Tuesday 21-12-2010 21:30

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Originally Posted by PAR_WIG1350 (Post 987494)
Nobody has mentioned beehives. We must be out of practice with our over-analysis.

Yes, I searched the thread

What about them?

I think we should list everything we haven't mentioned. Just in case we miss something.

davidthefat 21-12-2010 21:36

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Im still going with the Iron Clad idea... Mirror = Split right in the middle. So the Union and the Confederacy was split in the middle. Some one mentioned Eva being a character in Uncle Tom's Cabin that thought of drowning. Water + Civil war = Iron clad. Loco motion is railroads, that is how the Union won, with rail roads. 1962 = 100 + 1862, the second year of the civil war. Pillar = holding the house up. Without unity, the Union will ultimately fail.

JaneYoung 21-12-2010 21:39

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Originally Posted by PAR_WIG1350 (Post 987494)
Nobody has mentioned beehives. We must be out of practice with our over-analysis.

Yes, I searched the thread

That's not a beehive, it is more along the lines of a poof.

IndySam 21-12-2010 21:41

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This is when these threads become useless.

People start posting things that have already been posted because they don't have the common courtesy to read first, or even try a simple search.

Oh well, see you after the next hint.

maltz1881 21-12-2010 21:42

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Originally Posted by jyh947 (Post 987475)
Haagen Dazs-Began in 1961
Little Eva's Locomotive- Released in 1962
1961-Fifty years before 2011.

Anyone wanna do more research about 1961?

I was born!! OOPS.. Did I say that?? I will deny that..My 26 year old son still believes that I am 29!!!:eek:

Grim Tuesday 21-12-2010 21:46

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Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 987501)
This is when these threads become useless.

People start posting things that have already been posted because they don't have the common courtesy to read first, or even try a simple search.

Oh well, see you after the next hint.

Hey I read it all. I hope noone mentioned my mirror idea that I missed.

Someone should really do a compilation thread (note, seperate thread where the top post is updated with the latest info) Maybe il do it tomorow.

Dragon Princess 21-12-2010 21:58

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Originally Posted by unionylibertad (Post 987367)
c'mon guys...remember that the game has be accessible to rookies (which there are a record number of) and cannot cost FIRST a fortune (like leasing and hauling train cars into sports arena)

they don't need to rent real train carts, they could just have boxes that they put onto prefabricated 'train cart' chassis

Karibou 21-12-2010 21:59

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Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 987504)
Hey I read it all. I hope noone mentioned my mirror idea that I missed.

Someone should really do a compilation thread (note, seperate thread where the top post is updated with the latest info) Maybe il do it tomorow.

I doubt that there will be much of an update to be posted after today. Really, all of the points mentioned in this thread were mentioned at least twice. Most things were mentioned 3 or more times.

(however, I did type up a brief summary that I posted on Facebook for a few friends that hit the main points. If anyone wants it, let me know)

Bochek 21-12-2010 22:05

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Just to stir up the thoughts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQYD5TVCGlY

Luke3161 21-12-2010 22:06

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Hi,
Here are my thoughts about the game in descending order of likelihood.

A water game is completely unreasonable because these robots cost several thousand dollars. Frying a CRIO is not something FIRST wants to be responsible for. Also, with robots getting wet, water would get all over the pits, field and competition area in general. Again, there are things like cameras, computers and other expensive electronics FIRST will not want to replace.

Irregular terrain on the field. This was already seen last year, and played a big role in the success of teams who were able to work together and maneuver easily. This kind on small irregularity on the field is likely to appear again to "appease the crowd" (think of robots flipping). Also, it ties into to new drive trains and helping rookie teams have just as fresh a start as the other teams. I do not think there will be multiple floors, but maybe a small raised area maybe a foot or so off the general playing field level. Perhaps partly with a cliff type area and a ramp for entrance.

Tennis balls being used as game pieces. They are cheap and available everywhere. This would be especially good for rookie teams who have not done a lot of fundraising or have few sponsors. It ties in with FIRST's drive for more teams with the paying for registration and such.

Moving game pieces. There have not been independently moving pieces ever from what I can see, and I do not think that those will be introduced because they would be prone to breaking, especially with the forces made by the 120 pound robots, so I would rule out trains or moving carts. However, I think it is within reason to have buckets or trolleys which could be moved or pushed by the robots, potentially with tennis contained to score points.

Chris Fultz 21-12-2010 22:21

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Originally Posted by FIRSTtm134 (Post 987121)
It was an image reversed... So basically what we saw was not reality.

But how do you know the GDC reversed the image. Maybe the original was reversed, and the GDC put it back the way it was supposed to be?

gorillamonky 21-12-2010 22:29

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the tennis ball was not a real game hint right?

Karibou 21-12-2010 22:35

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Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 987514)
But how do you know the GDC reversed the image. Maybe the original was reversed, and the GDC put it back the way it was supposed to be?

I think that we have to assume that the picture on the album cover is in the correct orientation. One of the first things that we learned in journalism regarding photos is that you NEVER flip photos, ever. When you flip photos, all of the sudden person X writes with their right hand instead of their left. I think the same is probably true for this situation.


Edit: This seems to be the image that was flipped, in higher quality. The top cuts off at approximately the same spot on both pictures.

Whateveryousay 21-12-2010 22:52

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Originally Posted by Bochek (Post 987510)
Just to stir up the thoughts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQYD5TVCGlY

This is something that I am interested in, FIRST has been trying to tie it with sports, and this is definitly something that we want to look at.

Gir_450 21-12-2010 23:04

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Originally Posted by Karibou (Post 987519)
I think that we have to assume that the picture on the album cover is in the correct orientation. One of the first things that we learned in journalism regarding photos is that you NEVER flip photos, ever. When you flip photos, all of the sudden person X writes with their right hand instead of their left. I think the same is probably true for this situation.


Edit: This seems to be the image that was flipped, in higher quality. The top cuts off at approximately the same spot on both pictures.

Our programers found this picture and IT IS indeed reversed, the GDC is messing with us again this year on this one. :ahh:

BACONDUDE1902 21-12-2010 23:12

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i think the name of the game well be "The Loco-Motion":yikes:


http://www.history-of-rock.com/little_eva.htm

Chris Fultz 21-12-2010 23:14

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I have read all 350+ posts, this is pretty interesting stuff.

The locomotion seems too easy. What about some of the other songs or other links to EVA?

I like the thoughts on the mirrors and reverses, the date 12-21, etc.

Lots of cool thought and well worth the time to read!

Gir_450 21-12-2010 23:17

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What our team has found that is a huge event in history is the triple conjunction between Uranus and Jupiter (This happens in January). These planets, as we all know, were named after roman gods. The pillar in the hint appears to be of roman architect. Now here's where conjunction comes in, the woman is Little Eva, whose biggest hit was in 1962 and it was titled "Loco-Motion". Locomotion can refer to trains, and trains can refer to conjunctions. Therefore, we are possibly dealing with some sort of train game =P

unionylibertad 21-12-2010 23:22

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Originally Posted by gorillamonky (Post 987516)
the tennis ball was not a real game hint right?

it was a red herring, meaning that it was kinda distractor...prolly only a less noticed part (or "aspect) of the image was a "clue"

unionylibertad 21-12-2010 23:24

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Originally Posted by Chris Fultz (Post 987530)
The locomotion seems too easy. What about some of the other songs or other links to EVA?

the hints FIRST gives out are never too complex...someone has always guessed them correctly in some way or form...chances are that the real nature of the clue has already been touched on in this thread ;)

hihi11111 21-12-2010 23:34

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Originally Posted by unionylibertad (Post 987535)
the hints FIRST gives out are never too complex...someone has always guessed them correctly in some way or form...chances are that the real nature of the clue has already been touched on in this thread ;)

thats the GDC for ya :P

DiscoKittyPrime 21-12-2010 23:34

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Ok, I have made it through a little over half of the pages and one thing that keeps popping up to me is that they might be reusing parts from previous years. If they want to do that and stick to the locomotion hints of making it harder to move around, then the inaugural challenge of FIRST (Maize Craze) comes to mind. For those who don't know the first year's challenge, go to this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize_craze.

The basic summary of this challenge was picking up TENNIS BALLS and scoring them in either the corner or into a central column that was in the center of the field if i understand it correctly. Also, the field was not carpeted, it was covered in 1-2 inches of corn (thus the MAIZE spelling).

I highly doubt that they would do this challenge exactly but if they are really wanting to do a throwback to a historical game, what better than the first year's challenge of moving on corn? And now with that, my mind is spinning with ideas of making robots navigate through a child's ball pin.

Any ideas off of this or am i just repeating something posted in the second half of this thread?

also, a link to the only video I could find of that first year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-m1QBOxsfg

216Robochick288 21-12-2010 23:35

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These are my random thoughts before my parents FORCE me off the computer.... There will be more tommorow.

Since the RoboDawG logo was drawn, I have never changed my computer background.
Now its a picture of a lady [little Eve] by a pole. XP
Google is probably puzzled why the hits on "Little Eve" are off the charts this very second.....


I dont think the game will go smaller or being hanging from something simply because FIRST is trying to be more non-FIRST people friendly, and sitting in the back of the stands looking at tiny robots does not sound people friendly.

I dont think they will be doing another Space style game... unless its a "Grand Review" of all games..
All FRC games are lining up?
FRC mash? Bash? Party? Loco-motion?
Are we bringing our robots to Robo-prom????
...sorry... I got carried away.....

Sweater and pole have bumpy surfaces, and tennis ball covering? Oppisite of 2009?
E.V.A.... maybe a planet with huge amounts of gravity that uses this stuff to provide more resistance/harder to move?

mirror Image... Reverse Engineering? taking stuff apart?

I dont think it will be walking robots either. No offense to Rookie teams out there, but that is a tad ridiculous to expect to be able to do, let alone get money for materials and stable designs... ect..

Some happenings in 1962:
The president then set a goal of landing a man on the moon before the end of the decade-- game review? word-I-must-not-say-includes-slippery-fields-and-white-wheels again?::rtm::
12 European countries form European Space Agency----larger alliances YET?!?!?! O_O smaller bots so we can fit every bot on feild? ehh doubt it
US Airforce investigates using lasers to intercept missiles----- laser guided goals??

hihi11111 21-12-2010 23:43

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this is a good full picture of her that was said eairler http://www.spectropop.com/gallery/v/...e+Eva.jpg.html

mattiej 21-12-2010 23:46

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Just for fun:

Column=tall
tall=height
height=altitude
altitude=sky
sky=rain
rain=water

Therefore, this year's game will be a water game.

BIGWILLI2081 21-12-2010 23:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jblay (Post 987447)
The song locomotion was featured in the 1993 film Matinee staring John Goodman. John Goodman was in the 2009 film Beyond All Boundaries starring Kevin Bacon.

This years game piece is Kevin Bacon. Only one will be put in each team's kop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh33bGAxl58

masoug 22-12-2010 00:41

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Wow! Everyone is like trying to do "CSI" work and concocting theories of what this means, when it might as well have almost nothing to do with the game...

Team#2057-Vegas 22-12-2010 00:48

Re: 2011 Game Hint #1
 
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Originally Posted by Bochek (Post 987510)
Just to stir up the thoughts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQYD5TVCGlY

bochek.. you just sent my insanity level skyrocketing.. football game is brought up again o___O

hmm

Chickenonastick 22-12-2010 01:04

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The name Little Eva was derived from a character in Uncle Tom's Cabin.

Harriet Beecher Stowe wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin to promote the abolition of slavery in the United States.

The abolition of slavery was one of the many goals of the Civil War.

During the Civil War, the most popular sport soldiers played was horse racing.

Thus by deductive reasoning, the game will involve horses and racing. :ahh:

ENIAC 22-12-2010 01:09

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I saw something earlier about black and white? And Line following? And Trains? What about line following trains during autonomous? Have a marker on a robot, IR beacon, what have you, follow line, link, have it be half the match to allow for time.

IanW 22-12-2010 01:09

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As Luke3161 said in post #347, everyone is postulating games that are too complex. You have to consider that every piece needs to be constructed for the regionals, so expense really is an issue. In addition, the GDC will be thinking about teams that do not have a ton of money to blow on replicating a super complex field. And has been said several times, I think many teams, rookie and veteran, would have a difficult time producing an entirely new form of drive train. Most teams just do not have access to the resources necessary to build walking robots, especially as many have invested so much in making ones based on wheels.
However, I do think the Locomotion (as a name) and mirroring are probably some of the best ideas so far.

masoug 22-12-2010 01:21

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Pole dancing robots...

GDC is reading this thread and laughing at us now...

Are you SURE that its a column? NOT something else?

dlavery 22-12-2010 01:34

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Originally Posted by masoug (Post 987560)
GDC is reading this thread and laughing at us now...

Naaaah, I doubt it. I am pretty sure they are all fast asleep right now. They are not even thinking about this stuff any more, right up until kick-off.



OK, whew, I'm back now. Just needed that one little moment of fantasy to get through the next two weeks... :)

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Mike AA 22-12-2010 01:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dlavery (Post 987562)
Naaaah, I doubt it. I am pretty sure they are all fast asleep right now. They are not even thinking about this stuff any more, right up until kick-off.


.

So whats your excuse?

synth3tk 22-12-2010 02:07

Re: 2011 Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by masoug (Post 987555)
Wow! Everyone is like trying to do "CSI" work and concocting theories of what this means, when it might as well have almost nothing to do with the game...

Welcome to ChiefDelphi a month before Kick-Off. This is an annual traditional experience for quite a few regulars.

rahilm 22-12-2010 02:21

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I'm in the Extra-Vehicular Activity camp. Too much points to that:
-Little EVA
-Group 1 for FIRST Choice is an FTC kit and nothing else. You have to get it.
-FIRST was providing incentive earlier for FRC teams to get involved in FTC

My guess is we have to build an second smaller bot (Tetrix required maybe?) that gets deployed by the main FRC bot. The second bot would be what the human player controls.

Now as to what this second bot does (or the first for that matter) I'm just as clueless as the GDC wants us all to be.

EricH 22-12-2010 02:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rahilm (Post 987569)
-Group 1 for FIRST Choice is an FTC kit and nothing else. You have to get it.
-FIRST was providing incentive earlier for FRC teams to get involved in FTC

Actually, you don't have to get anything in Group 1. (Or Groups 2-4). FIRST Choice is optional, and you can pick 3 items, as long as each is from a different group.

I'm thinking that the FTC kit is just to help FRC teams get people involved in FTC.

Could it be that there's a mini-robot, required or as a bonus? Possible. But if it has to remain tethered to the main robot... welcome to the biggest violations of the entanglement rule since 2002 (and then some). A number of tethers were run over that year. Some had mini-bots on the end.

JB987 22-12-2010 02:39

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Seems everyone is fixated on locomotion/train based thoughts or thinking there is some relevance to the column,etc...Maybe the person in the picture isn't significant but the letters in the name are? How about looking at the name Little Eva as an anagram? ... elevate L, levitate Lt...??? Let's start looking beyond the assumed obvious and branch out with some new lines of thinking.

1086VEX 22-12-2010 02:41

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after reading most of this thread i like the idea of a compilation game. so what were some of the most notable game features from FIRST's history?

1990's games- many involved tall cylindrical goals
2001- 4v0 and see-saw
2002- mini tether bots
2004- stairs
2006- game periods
2007- ramp bots and weight classes
2000, 2004, 2010- hanging (doubt theyd bring it back after one year unless they made us hang on a column:rolleyes:)

just a few to think about... but personally i think that we were supposed to get locomotion from this hint as the game name.

GaryVoshol 22-12-2010 07:29

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Suppose the picture of Little Eva is only the starting point. It's not about Little Eva herself, or her songs. Maybe it's about some other Eva.

Eva Braun - Nah, let's not go there lest someone invokes Godwin's Law.

Eva Peron - No, not an Argentinian-themed game - although using bolas as a game piece would be fun! I followed some word-association paths, but got lost once I got to Team 245 AdamBots.

Eva Gabor - Here's where it starts to make sense:
  • Eva Gabor starred in Green Acres
  • Arnold the pig was a character in Green Acres
  • The most famous pig in FIRST is Suzy Q, kissed by Paul C at IRI
  • One of the sponsors of IRI is Team 45, one of the original and sustaining teams; Andy Baker supplied the pig
  • This points to a 20th anniversary game - Maize Craze
  • And pigs eat corn!

JaneYoung 22-12-2010 07:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 987594)
Suppose the picture of Little Eva is only the starting point. It's not about Little Eva herself, or her songs. Maybe it's about some other Eva.

Eva Braun - Nah, let's not go there lest someone invokes Godwin's Law.

Eva Peron - No, not an Argentinian-themed game - although using bolas as a game piece would be fun! I followed some word-association paths, but got lost once I got to Team 245 AdamBots.

Eva Gabor - Here's where it starts to make sense:
  • Eva Gabor starred in Green Acres
  • Arnold the pig was a character in Green Acres
  • The most famous pig in FIRST is Suzy Q, kissed by Paul C at IRI
  • One of the sponsors of IRI is Team 45, one of the original and sustaining teams; Andy Baker supplied the pig
  • This points to a 20th anniversary game - Maize Craze
  • And pigs eat corn!

It is way too early in the morning...

Al Skierkiewicz 22-12-2010 07:59

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Does anybody think this is going to be a Dancin' with the Robots year?

My favorite Little Eva song is "Some Kind of Wonderful" but the version by Grand Funk Railroad is better!

Mike o. 22-12-2010 08:00

Re: 2011 Game Hint #1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol (Post 987594)
..........
Eva Gabor - Here's where it starts to make sense:
  • Eva Gabor starred in Green Acres
  • Arnold the pig was a character in Green Acres
  • The most famous pig in FIRST is Suzy Q, kissed by Paul C at IRI
  • One of the sponsors of IRI is Team 45, one of the original and sustaining teams; Andy Baker supplied the pig
  • This points to a 20th anniversary game - Maize Craze
  • And pigs eat corn!

And what was the game element for Maize Craze you say? Why it was tennis balls. Hmmmmm.....yet another supporting factor that we may just see those jumbo PENN balls this year.

lim shi hao 22-12-2010 08:35

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my guess is :
1. robot have to pick up cylinder like object and play a game of 'chess'
2.maybe try fighthing to bring 'pillars' to the alliance side of the field.

This is what I could think of for nowhttp://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/images/smilies/read-the-manual.gif

TD912 22-12-2010 08:55

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xufxKCC1NJ8

thefro526 22-12-2010 09:02

Re: 2011 Game Hint #1
 
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Originally Posted by Mike o. (Post 987599)
And what was the game element for Maize Craze you say? Why it was tennis balls. Hmmmmm.....yet another supporting factor that we may just see those jumbo PENN balls this year.

I think drawing comparison to Maize Craze might just be one of the most logical ideas I've read in this thread.

Though, I'd hate to play another Ball game... it's been 3 years since we've had a game piece that wasn't a Ball.

Corn scattered across the field could make for and interesting game though.

GaryVoshol 22-12-2010 09:09

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Originally Posted by JaneYoung (Post 987597)
It is way too early in the morning...

But I'm a time zone ahead of you ...

Anyone care to venture how I got from Eva Peron to AdamBots? Only 2 degrees of separation.

KHall 22-12-2010 09:58

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I’ve got it!

The game will be to reach up to a series of branches supported by a central column. The robot will have to locate and retrieve small red balls that are hanging from these branches. The balls will be about the size of an apple. In the last 20 seconds of the game, the robot will have to deliver as many of the red balls as possible to the “Adam” containers at the corners of the field. The name of this year’s game will be “Genesis”!

HA!
Enjoy and Happy Holidays Everyone!

K Hall
Mentor FRC 2171, FLL 1528

Bill_B 22-12-2010 10:04

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All very entertaining folks. At 2 cents for each opinion, it still adds up to only about a buck two ninety-eight? So I'll add mine to round out the mix.

Not enough emphasis on the "loco" part of the motion. Let's try off-center special wheels that will truly supply loco-motion and the chugga-chugga motion like a railroad train as in the song lyric. It won't matter if the playing field is level. All the robots will be bopping around.

I hope you all bought a good supply of pool noodles as Bill advised way long ago.

Peter Matteson 22-12-2010 10:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz (Post 987598)
My favorite Little Eva song is "Some Kind of Wonderful" but the version by Grand Funk Railroad is better!

Agreed, and their version of Loco-motion is also better in my opinion.

216Robochick288 22-12-2010 10:33

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Is anyone else REALLY tempted to look at Wiki Leaks...?

I want to say that this is a giant composition of the FIRST communities favourite games of the past, but then wouldnt the poll have come earlier so they could put it all together... or maybe they REALLY dont make the game til December. They post the hint then look at responses and make the game and...

I dont know anymore. I had an idea last night but I forget what it was. I wrote it down but cant read the handwriting. I can, however, read my half-poem that reads:
"4 days before Christmas the game Hint's released
I wont have a life 'til April I think!"

johnr 22-12-2010 10:36

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Looks like she is protecting/ holding onto a giant pool noodle. One of those 4 sided ones.

rsisk 22-12-2010 10:58

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Interesting anagrams from Little Eva and Locomotion

Leave Tilt
Latte Live
Latte Evil
Latte Vile
Valet Tile

Cool Motion
Coin Lot Moo
Icon Lot Moo

I see several references to Latte and Moo. Maybe we get an espresso machine in the KOP this year

Or, the more relevant anagrams LEAVE TILT, COOL MOTION. Maybe you have to go across a tilting mechanism to leave an area of the field. Scorekeepers award extra points for cool dance moves during the bonus period at the end of the match.

Mike Rizzo 22-12-2010 11:02

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So I was actually able to catch up to the posts, turn your head to do some work and your 30 posts behind…

Anyway I wanted to explore the avenue (you’ll see the pun in a second) of the reverse, since the picture was reversed I decided lets reverse her name as well, so EVA becomes AVE (see)

Ave, some of the top hits got a Google search are in regards to high speed trains and rail systems

Another options it could stand for is Advanced Vehicle Engineers

ALSO Ave is a Roman salutation

Now I also had other ideas like FIRST Ave and such like that but I just wanted to post this to see if I could stir up any new Ideas

As for the game piece – Ave Little - Ave L.- ‘D’ave L.

...This year’s game piece is Dave Lavery :)

IKE 22-12-2010 11:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Rizzo (Post 987638)
So...This year’s game piece is Dave Lavery :)

I checked and Walmart is currently out of stock of Dave Lavery. Maybe its a summer item.:mad:

AlftanSr 22-12-2010 11:30

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All these analyses...your english teachers must be proud of your essays!

Chris Fultz 22-12-2010 11:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Rizzo (Post 987638)
...This year’s game piece is Dave Lavery :)

There will be cutouts of Dave scattered around the field, each in a different color hawaiian shirt. Before eachmatch, the color randomizer identifies which color dave is the goal. Your robot has to hear* this color, then adapt the logic to go only to that color Dave.


* Since we are all so good at using the cameras, the GDC is incorporating sound identification into the mix.... :ahh:

mattiej 22-12-2010 11:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Rizzo (Post 987638)
ALSO Ave is a Roman salutation

2 thing about this:

1. By Roman you mean latin and
2. Salutem would be a better greeting. Ave isn't used often.

Dustin Shadbolt 22-12-2010 11:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 216Robochick288 (Post 987631)
Is anyone else REALLY tempted to look at Wiki Leaks...?

Win :D

JewishDan18 22-12-2010 11:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mattiej (Post 987644)
2 thing about this:
2. There is no V in the latin alphabet. The word you are meaning to say is Age! But that means come. If you want to say a greeting, saw Salve to a single person or Salvete to multiple people.
Source: I take latin in school.

Isn't there a v in salve :P ? I think you mean there is no v sound in latin. Ave certainly is a latin greeting.


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