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just found that there is a Koko Taylor
Koko is a singer so the 1st hint would be the music thing or something
IDK maybe something to do with it

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One thing that I have noticed in game hint #1 is that " Little Eva" 's picture is mirrored to the album version of the same picture...
-Little Eva-

I don't know what this means however...

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that may be so that we couldn't just pop the picture into TinEye and do a reverse search. I flipped the image before doing the search though which is how I got results. It was really just a lucky guess.:D

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What about the locomotion music video????????????

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Each team on an alliance will get a shape, either a triangle, a square, or a circle. For example {{red alliance: square}} might be your allocated slot for the match. The goal will be to compete directly against the other teams robot(for example, {{blue alliance: square}}) while also helping out your teammates. You will score by getting your square-shaped pieces into some sort of goal on the other teams side. Pillars are in the middle of the field because this idea was running dry and i had to put pillars in somewhere.

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I've watched it. It's just a bunch of people with retro hairdos dancing the locomotion. I sure hope they aren't trying to say that our robots will be controlled with DDR mats or something like that. Although it would make things interseting :rolleyes:

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http://www.last.fm/music/Little+Eva/...+1-C5OoQadZTPk
The spot llights make the shape of a triangle

The next hints could also make the shapes of the circle and square

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OR The reversed album picture means that the field will be a reversed version of the first logo. WIN.

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If you didn't notice, that thread was in the RUMOR MILL, and was discussing an earthquake that happened in central Indiana, in jest saying that it was related to the new game.

In other words, the code name is not "Kokomotion"; in fact, I don't know if it even has a code name.

Now: I suggest that anybody thinking they found something new and obvious read the first 5-10 pages of both game hint threads. It'll take half an hour and save a lot of annoyance when you figure out that 47 people already posted the same thing, 51 hours ago.

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:(

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At a leadership meeting today we were tossing around ideas, and 1 struck me as really interesting and quite possible. The shapes are different games pieces (as has been mentioned millions of times before), and the goal of the game is to sort pieces into different train cars based on their shape. (this train is moving, by the way). To expand on this thought, the human player would control the train by pressing a button that randomly changed the speed of the train.

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Did anybody notice that star bucks change there logo too? No words around the logo, maybe the field will be covered in coffee beans. Just joking, as far hint 2. I noticed that the picture is magnified, that's probably why it looks like it is low resolution.

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I know what the game is. I'm not telling until saturday though. :rolleyes:

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I call lies:mad:

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Unless he figured out the manual password.

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I don't know if anyone else noticed this (or if it's significant) but her fourth finger on her right hand (in the first pic FIRST gave us) looks like it goes through the pole. Any significance there?

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nice try.

Though around now the special people in charge of building the game elements are given the plans to build some game elements for kick-off locations. Plenty of people know the game by now and are just good people not to say a word.

And then there is Dave who just taunts us.... :)

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Yeah noticed, did not work up a explanation as how it would fit in the game.

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Maybe he brute forced it :P

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Isn't Gracious Professionalism great?

Though, with regards to that specific example, I was once told that the field set-up people were given partial plans of specific areas on the field, with no idea how they'd go together until a few days before.

I imagine a select number of folks at AndyMark have plenty of advance knowledge of the game. They have to design and make a kit chassis every year along with many other kit parts. They must be GP champions to keep a tight lid as long as they know about the game.

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No surprises there, we should have already known that!

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The folks at AM have to sign a very strict non-disclosure statement. If they leak any info they would be out of business.

If I had a dollar for every time Mark said to me "I can't tell you" .......................

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I've often thought that those who made mock-up fields for remote Kick-Off's were probably given an entire set of field drawings, but no manual. Without game rules and knowing the game piece, anyone could be given drawings of the field and not really be able to make much use of them.

Oh, and I heard that Andy Baker already knows what 2030's game is and it already working on the kitboat for that. ;)

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This is true. I helped out for the kickoff in Rochester last year, and on the day of the reveal, a few hours early, the kit arrived and everyone who promised not to say a word helped put it all together. We just saw a top view of the field and then a page for assembling the tower, two bumps and the human player station. There was nothing that said what each part was or what it was used for, we had to guess. Didn't matter too much, 2 hours after finishing it up the webcast started.

It was really cool to actually hold that kind of serious secret position, ::rtm:: even if it was for only two hours and a webcast. haha

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Maybe this new hint has no new information, it could just be a confirmation of the "locomotion" idea. The shapes are linked like train cars...

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In 2030, we will be flying 3D CAD's of our robots via human gestures and no controls. The physics engine will be so real, the 3D technology so awesome, and the audience so large that Verizon and ATT will have to make whole new business plans to compensate for the insane increases in bandwidth to viewers' mobile devices.

Andy Baker told me so himself.

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My awesome cool friend looked at the hints and said "You might have to link something together..."

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Which when combined with Little Eva's hit single being entitled " The Loco-Motion", leads one to suspect that maybe it is related to trains in some sort, or Locomotion in general. I agree though, this could be a more subtle reaffirmation of Locomotion being involved.

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Hey everybody out there! Just to let you know the encoded manual is out...

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Remember the game couldn't invole track or trains because the 'bots would always be crashing right? Right???:eek:

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The tracks and "boxcars" (hoppers or gondolas) could be on an OVERPASS ! !

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I have a theory.

CD receives the most new members during game hint season.

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I'd venture to say that's a truth.

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@above yes i agree but i joined because my teacher said something about it not because of the hint threads...

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As opposed to robots running around anywhere on the field and crashing?

PS As a newbie, you may want to review what Gracious Professionalism means ( http://www.usfirst.org/aboutus/conte...rofessionalism ) and decide whether that applies to your signature.


EDIT: Hmm, this just popped up as a spotlight post: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...2&postcount=44 What goes around, comes around.

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Some other kids of 93 and I have decided that because it's the 20th anniversary, FIRST is going to borrow things from other seasons. Track balls from 2008, and the tetrahedron from Triple Play 2005, because of the logo being a hint. Not sure about the square game piece.

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I don't think i've seen this yet, but has anyone looked at any of the other songs on the album besides locomotion for possible game inspiration? The number of tracks on the album could also be a giveaway for something.

My personal theory is that the game will be a greatest hits of past first games, but that's just me...

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the reason that that song is so looked into is because the chain dance developed out of it.

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That album was released Feb. 2001

http://new.music.yahoo.com/little-eva/albums/

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after more research,

Little Eva's song Swing'in on a Star looks interesting

that would be new for FRC

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Hmmmm....Triple Play returns???

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This should probably be in Game Hint #1, but it seems to me that since the album is a compilation of Little Eva's songs and the image is reversed, the game would be a compilation of the previous games (Best of?) with a twist. i.e. the trackball has to roll under the ladder and the robot has to climb over or some such. And I like the idea of three game pieces.

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Last (and only?) Sqaure/Rectangular game piece were the Totes from Stack Attack which was the game in the 2003 Season.

Though, the First Logo isn't a Triangle, Circle and Sqaure, it's actually a Cone, Sphere and Cylinder...

I agree with this, I think FIRST's Greatest Hits with a Twist is far more likely than a Train inspired game. For some reason, I can't bring myself to interpret the first clue as a hint to the song "locomotion".

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I had an idea that maybe more was removed from the originals for the hints, so i found the originals and placed them side by side and played "find the differences" :P unfortunately, I couldn't see anything out of the ordinary :/

maybe someone else can see what I cannot?

Attachment 9584

Heck, there may not be anything anyway :P

(if anyone wants a bigger pic, email me and i'll send it to ya! :P ptwortman@gmail.com)

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Ive read thousands of threads before in years past on game hints but this year has been amazing. Game hint 1 is well over 800 post and climbing and now this one is soon to catch up.

My thought with this little time left before kick-off it wont matter how well or how close you guess.

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It's probably not significant, but the hint uses a brighter blue, a slightly darker red, and less color variation within the shapes.

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That actually might be significant, considering that it means that it was not a simple crop operation.

Maybe this year will have something to do with sorting colors.

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I think maybe there will be three alliances this year instead of two (red, white, and blue). Maybe with just two robots on each alliance (that's a throwback, there used to be 2 team alliances). The robots will be linked together either with your alliance, or, more interestingly, with your opponents at some point during the match. That brings in the "locomotion" concept (the name of the song by the lady in the photo in hint 1).

My opinion. I'm really just saying this so that I get bragging rights if I'm in any way correct.

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Slide 3 of this official document shows that the hint actually used the official colors of the FIRST logo. Use the CMYK/RGB values given on that slide to do a more quantitative analysis. You'll also have to account for .jpg artifacts that show up as part of the compression as well.

Do not confuse those colors with the other colors of the 'family' of programs, explained on slide 17: while the FRC color is a darker blue, that darker blue is never actually on the Square part of the logo, ever! It's only used in lettering for FRC.

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except that you weren't the first to suggest either, although I must say I do not recall anyone putting both in one post.

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http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles..._MAR262010.pdf

There's official colors in this PDF. A lot of times programs inadvertently change the colors of an image slightly on computers where the screen colors are not properly calibrated for graphic design use. Plus there's this whole thing on converting RGB screen colors to CMYK printer colors.

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someone said the interlocking pieces on this one.. and on the last clue the collumn was mentioned.. what if we have pieces of a column of some type we have to build.. and when its complete we have to hang on it for extra points.. more autonomous things too like line following to be able to get some of the pieces

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Building a column would be interesting, but difficult, depending on how many and what kind of pieces it would be broken into. Hanging on it would be too dangerous, though. Maybe something else...since the Little Eva picture was reversed, assembling some mirrors to make light paths would be a fun challenge.

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our drivers may have to put up with vision-disorienting mirrors on the field.

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could it possibly be based on her first ever song and they are using their logo to point it out? it is a stretch but anything goes right? We could also go with the linked idea that you are linked with one other bot and you are trying to hook up with as many of your alliance as you can. the only problem is, is that gracious professionalism? I read most posts but if an idea was already stated out of this, I'm sorry. there are just too many posts :)

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Start by finding the album cover with the title on it. Then we'll talk difference finding. (Oh, and quick hint: email might be better off not posted publicly. PMs and forum email work pretty well, if enabled.)

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you guys, i figured it out, it's so OBVI! the playing field is going to look exactly like the logo, but actually in 3dimentions, and it will be a race track to see who can complete 3 laps first, for the triangle you may go straight up, up the sides, or a loop in the center and return to the circle, finally, for the extra points, since the album cover is from the past, there will be a wormhole in the middle of the circle that if players reach it first (because everyone knows, only 1 thing may travel through a wormhole before it closes) they will be taken back in time 10seconds, to help complete the last lap.


what do you guys think? fool-proof right?

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[quote]I believe this has a big part to do with it. It is the type of vague thing they would go for. The greek pillar and historical background of the logo. I also believe the loco-motion idea has merit. Maybe a type of claw to get game pieces out of an elevated bin, then take it (possibily in in some kind of trainlike, cargo carrying way) to something something simialar to archimedes screw to put it in opponent's bin. Least amount of pieces wins.

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Here is the album cover:


Something interesting is that while searching, there are many other pictures of her with various columns.

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As Yoda would say:

A dead horse, you are beating.

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If i combine the two hints with how Interpret them I get this
-Locomotion (trains)
-The archenemies balance principle
I think here is your end game, all the way back from I think 2002, balance a towed something on a bridge. Although if i had to guess FIRST will make it much harder to balance the bridge or whatever it is then back in 2002.

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Dude this is the game hint we aren't beating a dead horse. We are beating the Elmer's glue bottle.

to avoid a double post, my thoughts:

1) The first hint a reflection of the album cover in question.. Or a different picture. What ever the posing suggests a reflection.

2) Low res picture.

Inference: 1 & 2 are pictures, I would expect a camera to be used in some way because of this. The reflection suggests that we may have to work with some sort of distortion to make that robot function correctly, I.E.: visible light either to the camera or person. The Low res picture strengths this argument in my opinion because it tells us we are dealing with limited data. Looks like in some way we will be signal processing IMO. That is as far as I'll venture a guess.

Edit 1:
Despite technical challenges I still maintain this game will take place either on or below water.

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I'm starting to think that maybe we are looking too deep. This is our teams first year and I don't have any experience with game hints but I think I have a point. I like the idea of old games brought back. Think about it the picture of Lil Eva is old and the FIRST logo looks like it's an older picture as well. Just a thought. Also, advice for my team would be nice:D

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I think you meant to say "Archimedes" and the spell checker offered a different word. Archenemies would be something like Batman and the Joker. I'm not aware of a balance principle, unless it has something to do with the Flying Wallendas or maybe Circ du Soliel. Some sort of balance requirement would indeed be a challenge for FRC robotics. We humans have quite some difficulties with it ourselves.:D

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Team 2057 claims putting batman ears on our bot if this is the case :ahh:

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Im so tired right now, I read what was supposed to be Archimedes as arc-e-meanies, as in really mean people. Then when I read the Joker, I thought of this joker


I need some sleep.

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Forgive me if this has already been mentioned many times but here are my thoughts.

The first hint is a picture of the Little Eva album cover for "The Complete Dimension Recordings". The album about amounts to a "greatest hits" collection. This year will be the 20th game for FIRST. The second clue is simply a picture of the FIRST logo.

Adding the two clues together I interpreted it as possibly being a "greatest hits of FIRST" so to say. With it being a landmark year for FIRST, possibly a remake of a past game or elements from previous games combined for a new game.

Then again I may be completely over analyzing the clues :D

-Sam

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Someone on team 279 suggested the almost same exact thing

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my team did some thinking of their own. the chick sang locomotion,so we may have to pulll something

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We already know this. Read the past posts

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One thing I noticed was "little" from the first hint. now that I see the second hint, all I can think of is the childs game where you have to put a circle prism in a circle hole. and most kids try to put the rectangular prism in the circle hole.

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Whipped this up for fun. Not sure what I'm really doing to it yet, but it looks intense.

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That's xcellent, how would the game play out?

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Not sure. Maybe something like Overdrive where the idea is to pass balls over the alliance's colored bars...

Or my "hook" game piece idea and you need to hang big hooks on the bars, but you get those from your triangle area.

Still thinking.

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I hope you make it on to the GDC! You would make a great addition! Thanks for all the sketches you have provided during the hint threads!

15 hours and ticking! Let the games begin! :)

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Everyone that gets the plans early have signed non-disclosure agreements and they are not supposed to tell you or anyone else what they get. And, the plans they receive do not come with the game piece (or at least not in the past 19 games) so they are probably mistaken about what they are seeing.
I guess we will know tomorrow.

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Probably wrong. They may have been talking about how it takes about an hour to build/assemble the part of the field that they have been given to set up, not the game piece.

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I don't think any of you got the comedy behind what he said!:D

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Now that it's the night before kickoff, I'll give my thoughts on these hints (I'm most likely to be wrong anyways)

The first hint strongly suggested 'loco-motion' was what they were getting at. I believe that this will reference 'crazy motion' that the robots will be forced to do, due to the requirements put on the drivetrains (see further)

The second hint suggests that something will be missing (the missing TM in the logo) that has been standard since ... well almost forever.

Hence, my belief that the drivetrains this year will not be allowed motors, and will instead be required to move through pneumatic power.

I also believe that the game will be a variant of a previous game ... keeping with the greatest hits theme and the mirrored album cover.

Here's to hoping I'm wrong :yikes:

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your post just gave me an interesting thought. The 2nd game hint is missing something at the bottom, the Little Eva hint is the album cover for her greatest hits for the past 20 years. Maybe this means we are going back to the no-bumpers option., becasue bumpers are also at the bottom of the robots.

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I'm so singing this all season long. :) Great game!

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"Missed it by this much!" - the shooting part. We really wanted to revisit Aim High, but will settle for another shot at Rack N Roll. :)

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Does anyone have any idea how many Inventor licenses we got with the kit?

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For some reason whenever i open the link it takes me to a page that says the page doesn't exist. Could someone possible repost the link or the images. thanks

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This was last years game hint...

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Thanks Brian. You got me all excited... :(

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Fail, that's probably why the page is gone. I guess i just really can't wait for the 2nd clue.

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lol it's alright. Welcome to Chief Delphi, Brian!

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ye it deal wit the titanic sinking heavy feild maybe the field moves NS ROCKS smoke stackes used as minibot tower i think so

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Can some of the mods lock this thread so we don't get utterly confused by a 2011 game hint thread when we should be utterly confused by a 2012 game hint thread?