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Re: FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

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Originally Posted by apalrd (Post 996339)

Remember, that is a distance of over 50 feet each way, in oncoming traffic.

I understand what you are hinting to, but I can see a majority of people interpreting this in a very different way.

If I know 33 at all, I know you guys will have a strong strategy, and will make sure it works, and I am inclined to think the same way you are at this point.

Re: FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 996070)

Ed, don't make me tell you to go read the manual. It's W-L-T, then ranking score (2X unpenalized loser's for the winner, penalized loser's for the loser, 2x alliance score for a tie).

oops.
my bad

Re: FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 996070)

Ed, don't make me tell you to go read the manual. It's W-L-T, then ranking score (2X unpenalized loser's for the winner, penalized loser's for the loser, 2x alliance score for a tie).

5.3.4 Ranking Score (RS)

Each TEAM on the winning ALLIANCE will receive a number of ranking points equal to the unpenalized score (the score without any assessed penalties) of the losing ALLIANCE.

Each TEAM on the losing ALLIANCE will receive a number of ranking points equal to their final score (with any assessed penalties).
In the case of a tie, all participating TEAMS will receive a number of ranking points equal to their ALLIANCE score (with any assessed penalties).

Re: FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

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Originally Posted by Seathan93 (Post 996331)

I don't like that FIRST is making it all about the FIRST brand. I get why they are, but Dean Kamen can't just say "it's not just about the robots" as an excuse as to why they're doing shameless branding. The whole point of last year was that FIRST was expanding to make it a "spectator sport" and I feel they're going backwards with this game.

If they weren't doing it for the 20th anniversary, they would for the 25th. The "Triangle, Circle and Square as Game Pieces in a single Game" has been thrown around to death and I'm really glad they are doing it. One reason, is to get the idea out there and years beyond this the notion won't be brought up again, at least for another 4-5 years.

The only Branding part I see is the use of FTC parts for the Mini-Bot. I don't think it could ever be a problem that FIRST is going to celebrate FIRST for all that FIRST has done for those who have found great success with FIRST. I understand the nausea of having to suffer though more speeches, but as I got older I found the speeches to actually be relevant and true. It would just help if they were more like Tooth.

As for being a spectator sport, I think simply telling a spectator that the goal of the game is to "create as many FIRST logos as possible" would be enough to get someone into the game...and what greater spectacle is there in the Mini-bot race? I think FIRST is ok with keeping everyone pumped for watching games they aren't in.

Re: FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

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Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 996663)

5.3.4 Ranking Score (RS)

Look directly above you at Qualification Score (QS)

Re: FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 996731)

Look directly above you at Qualification Score (QS)

I think Travis is just pointing out that Eric incorrectly listed the ranking score. It's just the losers unpenalized score for the winners, the loser's penalized score for the losers, and your score for a tie, as opposed to having multipliers like it had in the past. :)

Re: FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

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Originally Posted by Seathan93 (Post 996331)

I respectfully, completely disagree.

They're not doing "shameless branding" just so they can say that it's not just about the robot. Does Ford stick a logo on everything they do to say "it's not just about the cars?" If they do, I'd be surprised. FIRST isn't using the logo pieces to get teams to show more team spirit, put more effort into their business plans, or do more for their community. They're not even doing it to get teams to display logos (the individual team's or FIRST's) everywhere as a promotional tool (and really, I don't see why any company wouldn't want to get their name out there and get themselves easily recognized. Isn't that why logos exist?).

I think that using the logo as game pieces for an anniversary-year game is very appropriate. It's a celebration of the organization of the whole, as well as a tribute to Jack Kamen (Dean's father), who designed the logo. Plus, you can't deny that having game pieces in three different shapes is a wonderful challenge, and I can't think of three better shapes for the situation.

Re: FRC 2011: Logomotion [Initial Impressions]

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Originally Posted by synth3tk (Post 994045)

Yeah, what if they can't afford free?

http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...ome%20Page.pdf

Free works great... except for the teams outside of the continental US.. you know, the ones who have to deal with getting their KOP 3rd week because it is held up in customs? The ones who have to pay to import all their COTS parts? There is probably not a country with an FRC team that doesn't have a local metal supplier but I would bet you there are a few that don't have a local FTC kit supplier.

I like the game, if they clear up the 60" discrepancy the way I hope they do I will be content. I love multiple game pieces. I love we will be able to score without being hit constantly. I love that there is still defense. The Minibots (FTC politics aside) are a welcome addition, FRC endgames were getting a little stale imho. In short, I haven't found a major flaw yet but I'll wait until the first set of updates and some Q&A before passing final judgement (on the rules, I can't judge gameplay until I see Einstein).