Max Score Speculation
 

I came to a figure of 158 as the highest hypothetical score in a single match. Related math to double check. Don't forget to check my math or figure out a way to make it higher.

18 Pts for scoring all three ubertubes on the top row (6pts per ubertube x 3)
Assuming such, All 6 rows must have logo bonus.
Grid 1 Row 1 3pt6pt3pt * 2 for row bonus = 24
Grid 2 Row 1 6pt3pt6pt * 2 for row bonus = 30
Grids 1 and 2 Row 2 2pt2pt2pt * 2 row bonus = 12 and 12
Grids 1 and 2 Row 3 1pt1pt1pt * 2 row bonus = 6 and 6

Race 1st place bonus = 30
Race 2nd Place Bonus = 20

18+24+30+12+12+6+6+30+20= 158 Maximum points.

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I believe that figure should be much higher because you can double stack tubes. There is a maximum of two tubes per post, so you could have two logos on one row.

I could be wrong, but that is what I have garnered so far from looking through the manual.

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Good point. Didn't think about that. That's the base figure I came up to without double stacking. We'll have to investigate as the FIRST site comes back up.

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rule <G63> if the GAME PIECES are HANGING from a single SCORING PEG, the outermost GAME PIECE will be counted for scoring purposes.
section 3.3 pg 9
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because of this, the max score should be 158, this is the same number we figured out here.

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Ahh, thanks for the clarification. Missed that one.

158 looks good then!

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top row(first grid): 3 uber tubes in back: 6 x 3 = 18, 6 for each tube on top of them: 6 x 3 = 18, and double the top row for logo bonus 18 x 2 = 36, so top row: 18 + 36 = 54 points
top row(second grid): 3 points per tube, double for logo bonus: 3 x 3 x 2 = 18 points
middle rows: 2 points per tube, 3 tubes per row (2 rows) and double for the logo bonus: 2 x 3 x 2 x 2 = 24 points
bottom rows: 1 point per tube, 3 tubes per row (2 rows) and double for the logo bonus: 1 x 2 x 3 x 2 = 12 points

with the top two mini bots at: 30 and 20, 30 + 20 = 50 points

so the top score being: 50 + 12 + 24 + 18 + 54 = 158, so you were correct with the 158.

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The most interesting thing about that, is in an insanely high scoring game, having two good minibots will net you 32% of the points. And that number just goes up the lower the total score...

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We're trying to determine if the logo bonus doubles the points that the ubertubes scored from the autonomous period.

Rule <G66> states "If three LOGO PIECES form a LOGO, the assigned points from the SCORING PEGS in that row of that SCORING GRID are given as an additional LOGO BONUS, effectively doubling the score of the row."

Notice that it states "the assigned points from the SCORING PEGS" and not simply "the PEG SCORE". As it is written, we are thinking that the logo bonus would double both the original ubertube points (from <G64>) as well as the peg score (from <G65>).

What do you think?

Andrew Merrill, team 1540, the Flaming Chickens

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Assuming the minibot from either the 1st or 2nd place finisher can come back down from the pole, what if then the 3rd alliance member deploys its minibot and reaches the target before anyone from the opposing alliance? That's another 15 points, increasing the max total to 173!

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From what I saw of the field, this wouldn't work since each tower locks to 1st-4th place once it is triggered, and I doubt this can be reset (or we'd have minibots going up then down then up then down to get 1st-4th place)

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In response to the question about Ubertubes being doubled in a row...

G62 states that Autonomous scores are calculated immediately at the end of the Autonomous period so their values could not be doubled.

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Our programmer created a score calculator for the pegs including Ubertubes, and logo combinations.

You can find it here:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=88417

I hope this helps you all.

By the way, with this calculator, the max score it once again 158, with 3 Ubertubes, and a FIRST logo on each set of pegs and winning 1st and 2nd in the end game.

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Uber-6 Uber-6 Uber-6: 18

Grid 1 Row 3: (if all ubers are on this row)
Tri.-6 Circle-6 Square-6: 18
then double for Logo = 36

Grid 2 Row 3: 18 (if logo)

Grid 1&2 Row 2: 12 (if logo)

Grid 1&2 Row 1: 6 (if logo)

You can tie for first in the MINIBOT race so you could potentially get 60pts for the end game.

Total: 36+18+18+12+12+6+6+60=168pts!

Granted this is highly unlikely but, it could still happen.
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Logo does not double ubers
Ubers are in auton score, Logos can only affect Teleop score.

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I've reviewed the manual a few times now, and I am 97% positive that the 18 received by placing ubertubes on during the autonomous period counts solely towards an autonomous score.
This would be added in the following fashion:
autonomous score + teleop score + race score
Thus the original figure is correct. (Although I suppose a technical error *could* occur with the minibot race, but it's doubtful.)

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<G67> The RACE SCORE is assigned to each ALLIANCE based on the place of finish in the MINBOT RACE (ties each receive the points for that place)

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if every field element performs optimally, then there will be no ties. I assume we're assuming since no tubes will break, the sensors will do their jobs, and everything else goes smoothly?

Though to be absolutely technical, yes, you could potentially get 168.

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Does anything ever go smoothly at a regional? haha

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I'm speculating that Murphy will rule at least one match, resulting in a four-way tie for first. 30 points each for the climbs that reach the top but not timed.

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I highly doubt there will be a tie. Too many variables to ensure that your two mini-bots will hit at the very exact same time. That is, unless if a bot was able to hit the top .1 second slower then first also is given first, then it might be different.

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Let's say, just for fun, that your alliance has 3 ubertubes on the top row of one station, covered by a circle and square in their respective spots. There's 12 seconds left in the match. Do you place the triangle or deploy the minibot (your robot design and placement on the field don't allow for both to occur in this timeframe)?

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*Speculation*

If you place the triangle you get

a. 6 points for the traingle over an uber tube
b. 18 points as double because of the logo

If you go for the minibot you will get 30, 20, 15 or 10.

At first glance, the only way the minibot wins out is if you get the 30.

But look again, if you go for the minibot you will take 10 possible points away from the other alliance.

I would go for the minibot.

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Beginning of the regional, I would go for the minibot if you believe you have a chance at 1st or 2nd place in the race. It allows your drivers to get used to placing it under pressure, shows off your capabilities and is a small gamble.

After each team has played 2 or 3 matches this answer should come from scouting data. You should have at least some idea how your minibot stacks up against your opponents and that will dictate which choice to make.

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I'd want to know how good each team's mini-bot is.

If our alliance couldn't pull off first or second, I'm going tube. If I felt we could at least grab 2nd and 3rd, I'm going Minibot.

If it's a qualifying match, Mini-bot regardless. No reason not to show off that you have a mini-bot that can keep up with the others. However if the mini-bot is terrible and will get 4th or not even finish, might want to go for the tube.

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Scouting mini-bots will have an added twist, to say the least, because teams are allowed (and enticed by Coopertition Points) to lend out their minibots. If teams succeed in establishing some universality for minibot deployment, as other CD threads are calling for, then you may not know which minibots you're facing, regardless of which team's hostbot you're facing, until you're practically on queue for your match.