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hans4 08-01-2011 17:24

Springs on a minibot?
 
So I have some team member wondering if springs are allowed on the minibots.
I believe that rule <r-92> says no, however part J makes me wonder if its possible.

Any ideas?

Thanks!
Nick

cbeavers6790 08-01-2011 17:26

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
i would agree with you and say no. If its not listed under the things that can be used on the mini bots then i wouldnt risk it. I would stick with the things that they say can be used. i will check the rules to make sure though

EricH 08-01-2011 17:26

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
Spring springs are not in the list.

But rubber bands and surgical tubing are (parts U and V).

Twisted rope could also act as one, but I'd go for rubber bands first.

hans4 08-01-2011 17:29

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
Thanks guys i'll let my team members know


Nick

Waffles 08-01-2011 17:29

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
It's rather questionable, considering that ruling <R92> under listed part J says:

Quote:

non-metallic rope, or cord
If you're thinking about a different materialized spring, it may be considered. Deff check with the Q&A, otherwise assume no because springs can be deemed dangerous in some way shape or form.

Just my two cents.

Duke461 08-01-2011 17:33

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hans4 (Post 993282)
So I have some team member wondering if springs are allowed on the minibots.
I believe that rule <r-92> says no, however part J makes me wonder if its possible.

Any ideas?

Thanks!
Nick

Well, unless you used a NON-metallic rope or cord for a spring (i dont know how you would, feel free to let me know) you could not use a spring; also, that would be pretty hard because your minibot has to stay in contact with the pole throughout. So
1. it'd be hard to make a non-metallic spring
2. it'd be hard to make a non-metallic spring with a enough force to get to the top
3. it'd be hard to make a non-metallic spring with a enough force to get to the top while touching the pole, which would impede in some way on the upward speed
Happy to help,
-Duke

ThePeracha 08-01-2011 17:33

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
What about launching it? Can we launch it directly from the robot to the pole?

cbeavers6790 08-01-2011 17:36

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePeracha (Post 993309)
What about launching it? Can we launch it directly from the robot to the pole?

NO that would not only be dangerous, but from what i have looked at in the rules it is not allowed please do not try it

Karibou 08-01-2011 17:37

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePeracha (Post 993309)
What about launching it? Can we launch it directly from the robot to the pole?

With a spring? As long as the spring is connected to the ROBOT/HOSTBOT, and not the MINIBOT, the spring is part of the ROBOT and would be legal.

Waffles 08-01-2011 17:43

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cbeavers6790 (Post 993313)
NO that would not only be dangerous, but from what i have looked at in the rules it is not allowed please do not try it

Can you provide a reference point from the manual? I mean, there are methods we've thought about, and considering that we're working with a steel pole, that means that there's potential for magnets as well.

Just my two cents.

jamie_1930 08-01-2011 17:46

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
If your looking for more of a compression type spring I would suggest using bent polycarbonate. Although too much compression could cause permanent defermation of the polycarbonate, so be careful (also it would be a weak spring). In addition with the mention of using rope to create a spring you could do this by utilizing the rope as torsion catapaults do.

ThePeracha 08-01-2011 18:00

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cbeavers6790 (Post 993313)
NO that would not only be dangerous, but from what i have looked at in the rules it is not allowed please do not try it

Hahaha, don't worry, my team already kind of considers my a bit loony.

But why not? It'll have to be sturdy and have a latching mechanism but that's all. Even with a cubic foot of space, we can still make it possible. Plus, we only have 10 seconds to climb 11 feet, and this is the quickest way possible.

I was thinking of using surgical tubing since that would light weight and easily stretched. With no height limit this year, it should be too difficult to make a catapult that could possible also double as an arm.

ThePeracha 08-01-2011 18:01

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Waffles (Post 993331)
Can you provide a reference point from the manual? I mean, there are methods we've thought about, and considering that we're working with a steel pole, that means that there's potential for magnets as well.

Excellent idea. But won't the magnets disrupt both the sensors and the electronics on the minibot?

ThePeracha 08-01-2011 18:06

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
From thread http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/ne...reply&p=993370:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Waffles (Post 993370)
It's not necessarily the BASE. When you "deploy":

DEPLOYMENT – the act of positioning a MINIBOT on a TOWER. DEPLOYMENT starts when the MINIBOT breaks the vertical projection of the TOWER BASE circumference during the END GAME. (Related form, DEPLOY, verb)

DEPLOYMENT LINE – located on the POST, approximately 18 inches above the top surface of the BASE.

These are the Manual definitions.

I believe you have an 18" buffer zone on which you PLACE the minibot.

(Otherwise, correct me if I'm wrong)

Does this mean it can't be thrown above the line area?

nighterfighter 08-01-2011 18:09

Re: Springs on a minibot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Waffles (Post 993331)
and considering that we're working with a steel pole, that means that there's potential for magnets as well.

Just my two cents.

I feel like using magnets would only slow you down.


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