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ATannahill 08-01-2011 23:35

G02 clarification
 
I think this is a subject for the Q&A but I want to pass it by CD while the Q&A is closed.

G02 states

Quote:

Originally Posted by Section 3 - The Game
<G02> The AUTONOMOUS PERIOD ends when the ARENA timer displays zero seconds. The MATCH ends if all TOWERS are TRIGGERED or when the ARENA timer displays zero seconds, whichever comes first.

Will the match end when all towers are triggered or disabled, or just triggered? i.e. If I accidentally let the minibot go early onto the pole, will that prevent the match from ending early?

mcrawford 08-01-2011 23:43

Re: G02 clarification
 
It says nothing about disabling a tower so No. They all have to be TRIGGERED or the time runs out. Besides the towers could all be disabled as early as during autonomous is four teams were really stupid and wanted to get penalties.

quinxorin 08-01-2011 23:44

Re: G02 clarification
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 993946)
Will the match end when all towers are triggered or disabled, or just triggered? i.e. If I accidentally let the minibot go early onto the pole, will that prevent the match from ending early?

I would assume disabled would also count, logically, even though its not specified exactly. Of course, the GDC won't realize this if they don't hear about it, so you'd better ask them.

ATannahill 08-01-2011 23:46

Re: G02 clarification
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mcrawford (Post 993961)
It says nothing about disabling a tower so No. They all have to be TRIGGERED or the time runs out. Besides the towers could all be disabled as early as during autonomous is four teams were really stupid and wanted to get penalties.

Under G17, G20 and G22 (the rules that disable the tower) there are no penalties.

1631JD 09-01-2011 03:10

Re: G02 clarification
 
It is a matter of seconds difference; however, I think that if a tower is disabled then all active towers triggered will stop the game.

GBIT 09-01-2011 06:27

Re: G02 clarification
 
<G02> The AUTONOMOUS PERIOD ends when the ARENA timer displays zero seconds. The MATCH ends if all TOWERS are TRIGGERED or when the ARENA timer displays zero seconds, whichever comes first.

I have found in past years it really does come down to the wording. In this case ,though it is literally a matter of seconds, the match will end only if they are TRIGGERED or the timer runs to 0. The fact that it doesn't state the disabled state means it is not likely to be considered...

Taylor 12-01-2011 12:15

Re: G02 clarification
 
So to make sure I've got my head wrapped around this rule:
Bluabots 1 & 2 and Redabot 1 has deployed their minibots, and have triggered.
Redabot 3 has a game piece and it will take them 4 seconds to score.
Redabot 2 is deploying its minibot, it takes 3.5 seconds to reach the trigger.
There are 5 seconds left in the match.

--

Redabot 3 will not score, correct?

ATannahill 12-01-2011 12:17

Re: G02 clarification
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 997997)
So to make sure I've got my head wrapped around this rule:
Bluabots 1 & 2 and Redabot 1 has deployed their minibots, and have triggered.
Redabot 3 has a game piece and it will take them 4 seconds to score.
Redabot 2 is deploying its minibot, it takes 3.5 seconds to reach the trigger.
There are 5 seconds left in the match.

--

Redabot 3 will not score, correct?

That is exactly how I read it.

Alan Anderson 12-01-2011 12:32

Re: G02 clarification
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 997997)
So to make sure I've got my head wrapped around this rule:
Bluabots 1 & 2 and Redabot 1 has deployed their minibots, and have triggered.
Redabot 3 has a game piece and it will take them 4 seconds to score.
Redabot 2 is deploying its minibot, it takes 3.5 seconds to reach the trigger.
There are 5 seconds left in the match.

--

Redabot 3 will not score, correct?

If Redabot 3's last half second of scoring action requires powered full control of the robot, I do believe you are correct.

If the robot is in the process of doing something when the match ends, and if that something can continue on its own momentum with the game piece ending up on the peg with the robot no longer touching it a second or so later, the crowd will cheer and the piece will be scored.

Jimmy Nichols 12-01-2011 12:59

Re: G02 clarification
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 998011)
If Redabot 3's last half second of scoring action requires powered full control of the robot, I do believe you are correct.

If the robot is in the process of doing something when the match ends, and if that something can continue on its own momentum with the game piece ending up on the peg with the robot no longer touching it a second or so later, the crowd will cheer and the piece will be scored.

In 2007 the robot could not be touching the tube, so if the momentum carries it to the peg and the "gripper" has no contact then it could score.

This Game rule is a significant change from previous years. I would expect some more clarification on this one. Especially given that only 4 bots can deploy minibots, the other 2 should be trying to score tubes. A few seconds can win or lose a match.


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