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Must Be Drama

09-01-2011 13:59

Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

? if not how would i be able to install without an external dvd drive?

Dustin Shadbolt

09-01-2011 14:22

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

I thought that the programming things were included on the classmate re-images on the developer account. I haven't re-imaged yet, so I can't say for sure but I'm sure they are included.

Must Be Drama

09-01-2011 14:25

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

on mine theres no programming programs.. and the laptop is repartitioned into 10gigs and only 1gb is free.. and a 5 gig recovery partition with nothing on it... im wondering if i can formant that recovery partition.

Must Be Drama

09-01-2011 14:50

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

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Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 994543)

LabVIEW was on the classmate after I reimaged. It does not look like Windriver or Netbeans were, however.

=/ no labview on mines..

might have to kill that 5gb recovery partition and install labview via network

Joe Ross

09-01-2011 15:00

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

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Originally Posted by Must Be Drama (Post 994552)

=/ no labview on mines..

might have to kill that 5gb recovery partition and install labview via network

Sorry, I was wrong, mine is the same as yours.

Pausert

09-01-2011 15:04

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

We're having similar problems here at 1727.
Also, I'm worried that because the re-image is Windows 7 there will be less functionality in LabVIEW, as it is not fully supported in Windows 7.

I would just use Virtual Box or something, but I'm pretty sure that the Classmate can't handle that sort of load.

We're also having problems verifiying Window's authenticity. It keeps telling us that the registration date is past as well. So.... I think we're stuck.

Must Be Drama

09-01-2011 15:07

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

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Originally Posted by Pausert (Post 994565)

once you have internet access it activates...

and also the classmate has 3 partitions
1 main 9.79GB partition with windows
1 100MB system partition
1 5.37GB recovery partition thats 100% Free

theres no space for labview unless we reformant or convert that recovery partition.. im trying to do it without formanting it sofar nothing. i guess we will have to formant it :kanye shrug:

Pausert

09-01-2011 15:18

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

So, I logged in as Driver and the LabVIEW display came up! So, LabVIEW must be on there somewhere!

I'm going to re-image, as I believe we made a mistake with the user accounts. Somehow we ended up with 3.

kinganu123

09-01-2011 15:22

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

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Originally Posted by Pausert (Post 994587)

That's just an exe file made in labview. At least, it was last year. Therefore, you can't conclude that labview is on the computer.
Plus there's no need to reimage. Just delete the third account from Developer (we had the same thing happen to us. Windows makes you do this for some reason, I guess its because it doesn't realize that the image comes with preloaded accounts).

Must Be Drama

09-01-2011 15:27

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

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Originally Posted by kinganu123 (Post 994591)

All the reimage really does is update Windows. The rest are in the CDs.

But, this is really stupid
1. FRC gives us CDs to install the programs...
NETBOOKS DON'T HAVE CD DRIVES
(if anyone is looking for a free solution for this, use ImgBurn to create an ISO on another computer and then use Daemon Tools Lite on the Netbook to install it)
2. Windows 7 Professional takes up more than Windows 7 Starter, leaving us with what, 1 gb of space?
AN IDE WITH ALL THE NECESSARY PLUGINS TAKE UP A MAJORITY OF THIS AMOUNT, LEAVING NO SPACE FOR EXTRAS

Ok, sorry, I'm done. I'm just really frustrated. I'm trying to port our labview code to java (this is how I'm learning to program the bot), so I need both IDEs, and our school doesn't let us install any of our software on their computer, so we are stuck with this netbook and are stuck in this predicament.

That's just an exe file made in labview. At least, it was last year. Therefore, you can't conclude that labview is on the computer.
Plus there's no need to reimage. Just delete the third account from Developer (we had the same thing happen to us. Windows makes you do this for some reason, I guess its because it doesn't realize that the image comes with preloaded accounts).

the basic fix is to remove the recovery partition.. and extend the windows drive.. but im not sure if its legal lol if any thing il post up a .bat that will do it

Mark McLeod

09-01-2011 15:30

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Anyone figure out any benefit to even bothering to update the old Classmate OS from XP to Win 7?

Must Be Drama

09-01-2011 15:37

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

okay so im currently formating the partition and im going to attempt to extend it with the windows. and i may upload a labview mountable iso

kinganu123

09-01-2011 15:39

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Must Be Drama (Post 994600)

the basic fix is to remove the recovery partition.. and extend the windows drive.. but im not sure if its legal lol if any thing il post up a .bat that will do it

That'd actually be great! Please do.

Must Be Drama

09-01-2011 15:46

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

annnnnnnnnd it blue screens and doesnt boot any more....

kinganu123

09-01-2011 15:48

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

That sucks...
Just do another reimage

UPDATE
Wait, that's what you got AFTER deleting the recovery and extending the partition?

Must Be Drama

09-01-2011 15:52

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinganu123 (Post 994635)

That sucks...
Just do another reimage
And make sure you change back you boot options to HDD after you're done with the usb

UPDATE
Wait, that's what you got AFTER deleting the recovery and extending the partition?

yeah, im going to try just formanting it; i might have corrupted the mbr.. il just keep messing around since i we have a copy

Pausert

09-01-2011 15:59

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kinganu123 (Post 994591)

That's just an exe file made in labview. At least, it was last year. Therefore, you can't conclude that labview is on the computer.

Eh, I jumped the gun on that conclusion. But you do need the LabVIEW runtime to use native compiled LabVIEW exe's. So maybe we have the runtime environment but not actually LabVIEW.

Must Be Drama

09-01-2011 16:02

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

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Originally Posted by Pausert (Post 994654)

Eh, I jumped the gun on that conclusion. But you do need the LabVIEW runtime to use native compiled LabVIEW exe's. So maybe we have the runtime environment but not actually LabVIEW.

yeah we got the runtime environment but not the actual labview..
we have the vision app and etc but not the actual program

Dustin Shadbolt

09-01-2011 16:12

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

that actually kind of sucks.

Must Be Drama

09-01-2011 16:15

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

did some snooping well its right in our faces.

Quote:

select disk 0
select volume 0
set ID=27 override
exit

is on the usb key as a file called HIDERECOVERY.txt -___-

and also

Quote:

select disk 0
clean
create par pri size=5500
assign letter=R
format fs=ntfs quick label=Recovery
Create par pri size=100
active
assign letter=S
format fs=ntfs quick label=System
Create par pri
assign letter=W
Format fs=ntfs quick label=Windows

about to test a simple fix
make HIDERECOVERY.txt a blank file
and
remove

Quote:

create par pri size=5500
assign letter=R
format fs=ntfs quick label=Recovery

from DISKPARTSCRIPT.txt

lets see if it works..

Dustin Shadbolt

09-01-2011 16:22

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Must Be Drama (Post 994669)

did some snooping well its right in our faces.

is on the usb key as a file called HIDERECOVERY.txt -___-

and also

about to test a simple fix
make HIDERECOVERY.txt a blank file
and
remove

from DISKPARTSCRIPT.txt

lets see if it works..

Keep us updated.

Must Be Drama

09-01-2011 16:28

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

well i found out the R drive is where it caches the install image when its reimaging which is the partition i removed.. lets try without the hiding file. i guess il have to keep it separated.. if any body know about diskpart; post up.. im going to try to let it use that partition and then when it goes to hide it, reformant and extend the windows partition..

jhersh

10-01-2011 01:55

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pausert (Post 994587)

I'm going to re-image, as I believe we made a mistake with the user accounts. Somehow we ended up with 3.

This is just a result of the Windows 7 setup wizard. The wizard has you create a new user account the first time you boot after imaging from the thumb drive. You can just log into the developer account and delete the 3rd one.

Doug Norman

10-01-2011 10:35

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Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

To officially answer the original question. No, LabVIEW is not supposed to be on the image. It was never intended the classmate be your development machine. If you want to install it on the classmate, the easiest way might be to copy the NI DVD to a USB thumb drive.

Doug Norman

10-01-2011 11:59

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Must Be Drama (Post 994526)

I'm guessing you have a 2010 classmate? It would be good to make that clear, since rookie teams get a new classmate. I'm not seeing this on the new classmate. I'll try it on a 2010 class when my restore key returns.

Joe Ross

10-01-2011 12:36

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Norman (Post 995721)

The same thing occurred on our 2010 classmate. The drive is only 16gb. A 5gb recovery partition isn't an issue on the 2011 classmate with the larger drive, but it leaves the 2010 classmate with very little free disk space.

Dustin Shadbolt

10-01-2011 13:06

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 995752)

Oh boy.... :\

jhersh

10-01-2011 15:11

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 995752)

Quote:

ROBOCOPY \ R:\RECOVERY\ INSTALL.WIM /R:5 /W:5

I then edited the next section to look like this:

Quote:

ECHO Applying image...
IMAGEX /APPLY \INSTALL.WIM 1 W:

I'm not sure if there are any negative side effects of doing this, but it seemed to work for me the one time I tried it (on a 2010 classmate).

-Joe

Must Be Drama

10-01-2011 23:15

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhersh (Post 995895)

I just tried something that worked for me... now my C: drive has 6.6GB free.

I edited the DISKPARTSCRIPT.TXT file on the 2010 image key and changed the 5500 size of the recovery partition to 100.

Next, I edited the AUTOINSTALL.CMD file on the key...

I deleted the following line:

I then edited the next section to look like this:

I'm not sure if there are any negative side effects of doing this, but it seemed to work for me the one time I tried it (on a 2010 classmate).

-Joe

smart man, il try it when i get back to the room

A Tech

11-01-2011 00:12

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Maybe i can shine some light on this.

The small laptop doesn't come with the labview. i know it sucks :mad: ,
BUT :eek: they come with the CD and you can put it on another computer (I.E. laptop or desktop)

We are selfs have members of the programming team bring them in their own. we currently have 4 with labview and working fine. the mini laptop we are only using as the driver station and only for the driver station. beside who wants to program on such a small screen. :D

(any questions on how to set up your personal laptop to program and download the code to the robot just ask :) )

JamesD8

17-01-2011 21:56

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

First updated the main-site to include instructions on how to image your classmate without the 5Gb recovery partition on kop page.

j.cole

18-01-2011 13:01

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

To answer the questions and end this. What you need to do is go to this link (http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr....aspx?id=18530) then scroll down to control system.

Instructions
1.Plug the reimage disk (USB) into a computer (not classmate) and backup the files somewhere

2. Open up the USB folder and rename "AUTOINSTALL.CMD" to "AUTOINSTALL.CMD.BAK" and "DISKPARTSCRIPT.TXT" to "DISKPARTSCRIPT.TXT.BAK"

3. Then download the "Updated Classmate Installation Files" from that link and copy those files to the reimage disk (USB).

4. Run the reimage disk on the classmate (plug it in then hit F11)

5. Delete the user account that you created in the wizard (you only want Driver and Developer accounts)

6. Run the "Classmate Update" file on the classmate then restart the classmate. (this activates windows)

7. Download the trial version of PowerISO and make an .iso image of the LabView CD.

8. Run this .iso on the classmate

Now you have an activated Version of Windows 7 with LabView on your classmate and everything is all good.

Joseph W. Horth

18-01-2011 14:02

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Does labview need to be on the Netbook? and is there another way to activate the Windows 7 other than using the ISO for labview etc.?

Mark McLeod

18-01-2011 14:07

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Only the Driver Station update and just the FRC 2011 Tools & cRIO Drivers from the LabVIEW DVD need to be on the Classmate if you don't use the KOP stick.

What ISO for LabVIEW?
LabVIEW only comes on a DVD.

Joseph W. Horth

18-01-2011 14:16

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1002854)

I'm sorry, I misread the post talking about putting Labview on the Classmate. Thanks for the response though.

Mark McLeod

18-01-2011 14:19

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

No problem.
I just wanted to be sure we were talking about the same things.

umangv620

18-01-2011 21:45

Re: Is Labview Supposed to Be on The reimage?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1002854)

You can easily rip the LabVIEW DVD and create an ISO file, which you could transfer via USB to the classmate, mount the ISO, and install LabVIEW.

Although my team scratched the classmate, we has a similar problem with the netbook we are using to replace the classmate. However, one of our mentors who is good with networking helped us out in a creative way. We got two ethernet cables, a router, and another laptop which had a CD drive (doesn't have to be a laptop). We wired both laptops to the router via the ethernet cables, and then reset the ethernet settings so they could communicate to the router. By connecting both laptops on the same network, we were able to "share" the DVD between both laptops via the ethernet connection.

Whatever method you choose, you will need all the contents of the LabVIEW DVD copied to the hard drive of the netbook/classmate in order to properly install it.

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