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Chris is me 10-01-2011 23:20
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jspatz1 (Post 996307)
The rule gives you two possible diameters that your robot must stay within, 60" or 213.4 cm. I know which one we're using.

Seriously, I have a strong hunch the correction will turn out to be 84". Looking at the table, it is easy to imagine how the 60" could have been a typo, mixed up with the 60" in the starting height box. How likely is it that you would accidentally pull the number 213.4 out of the air as a typo?
The rule last year was 84 inches. Probably a copy paste.

I really hope it's 60", because all this design work would be for nothing.

Nick Lawrence 11-01-2011 08:50
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 996344)
The rule last year was 84 inches. Probably a copy paste.

I really hope it's 60", because all this design work would be for nothing.
It's only day 4. I would think you would jump for joy over this rule being changed to be more forgiving. :P

-Nick

Richard Wallace 11-01-2011 15:50
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
I'm also hoping for 60".

The larger (84" cylinder) maximum playing configuration would allow, and thereby virtually guarantee, robots with appendages extending ~3 ft. beyond their bumper perimeters and held >8 ft. above the floor, while driving at >10 ft/sec, and swerving all over the field. Imagine the Three Stooges running around with ladders on their shoulders while changing direction every couple of seconds. It would be will be sheer mayhem!

Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck. :cool:

See Team Update #1.

IndySam 11-01-2011 15:54
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard (Post 997034)
I'm also hoping for 60".

The larger (84" cylinder) maximum playing configuration would allow, and thereby virtually guarantee, robots with appendages extending ~3 ft. beyond their bumper perimeters and held >8 ft. above the floor, while driving at >10 ft/sec, and swerving all over the field. Imagine the Three Stooges running around with ladders on their shoulders while changing direction every couple of seconds. It would be sheer mayhem!

Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck. :cool:
But mayhem can be fun!

I hope they keep it at 60" too.

Grim Tuesday 11-01-2011 15:56
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
I, too hope they keep it at 60, since your strategy is based on blocking other robots, and that would be made harder to do if they can extend huge appendages.

BJC 11-01-2011 16:01
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
Edit: My Bad, this is FALSE. In my excitment I identified the height of the robot as opposed to the expansion cylinder.

The cylinder is indeed 84 inches across. Again, my bad.

ATannahill 11-01-2011 16:03
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BJC (Post 997046)
If you redownload the manuel from USFIRST.org it has been corrected to 152.40 cm which is 60 in. I think this is pretty clear. 60 inches will be the cylinder.
Sounds like an update is coming that will correct it.

jblay 11-01-2011 16:04
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
I also hope they keep it at 60 inches because it makes the game different from 07. copying 67 or 233 from that year was my original thought but this completely changes the game and makes you have to engineer around the constraint.

It does however very much annoy that it is unclear what the rule is because we cannot finalize a design until the rule iis clarified.

Grim Tuesday 11-01-2011 16:04
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BJC (Post 997046)
If you redownload the manuel from USFIRST.org it has been corrected to 152.40 cm which is 60 in. I think this is pretty clear. 60 inches will be the cylinder.
No, it hasnt changed at all. Why do people keep on saying that it does?

Racer26 11-01-2011 16:09
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Agree. Has not yet been changed. Today is Tuesday though, and its 4:09pm. No update in sight yet. Is it not supposed to be released by 5pm, typically?

Richard Wallace 11-01-2011 16:20
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
From the 2011 Manual, Section 2.6.1 Getting Answers To Your Competition Questions
...
Team Updates – will be posted at: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...nt.aspx?id=450
After the Kickoff FIRST will start posting Team Updates on line, Tuesdays by 5:00 PM and Fridays by 5:00 PM. Team Updates provide rules updates, important information about parts and administrative reminders/deadlines. Please note:
 Unexpected circumstances may, on occasion, delay this publication;
 Additional updates may be released, if necessary; and
 Occasionally, FIRST will publish revisions to manual sections.

zbanks 11-01-2011 16:39
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
It has changed. When the posted the unencrypted manual, they fixed a few typos.

Page 9 of:

http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...bot%20Rev-.pdf

via (Section 4, The Robot - Rev)

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...nt.aspx?id=452

Ricky Q. 11-01-2011 17:15
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zbanks (Post 997081)
It has changed. When the posted the unencrypted manual, they fixed a few typos.

Page 9 of:

http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...bot%20Rev-.pdf

via (Section 4, The Robot - Rev)

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...nt.aspx?id=452
It is the same on both of those links you posted.

Starting Configuration is correct at 60" (152.4cm)

Playing Configuration is in disagreement at 60" (213.4cm)

GaryVoshol 11-01-2011 18:10
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 997042)
I, too hope they keep it at 60, since your strategy is based on blocking other robots, and that would be made harder to do if they can extend huge appendages.
Where are you planning on blocking them, when a huge appendage would stymie your block?

GaryVoshol 11-01-2011 18:13
Re: <R11> Dimension wrong?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BJC (Post 997046)
If you redownload the manuel from USFIRST.org it has been corrected to 152.40 cm which is 60 in. I think this is pretty clear. 60 inches will be the cylinder.
That's the STARTING CONFIGURATION height, which has always been that way.

The PLAYING CONFIGURATION cylinder still has 213.4 cm. as of two minutes ago.


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