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Creator Mat 15-01-2011 00:18

Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
In the rules for the mini-bots it says that Aluminum sheet is allowed. So what is the definition of a Aluminum sheet. 1" thick, 1/2" thick, or 1/4" thick piece of aluminum? Or could we get a 12" x 12" x 12" block of aluminum machine it out and call it a "sheet"? Where does a sheet of aluminum stop being a sheet and becomes a block?

MrForbes 15-01-2011 00:27

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
wikipedia is always right...it says up to 1/4 inch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_metal

sounds good to me

dtengineering 15-01-2011 00:51

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
I don't believe melting and casting are disallowed by the rules... in previous years we cast and turned wheel hubs, and at least some of the aluminum in those hubs was... in a former life... sheet.

Now, I'd probably get a Q&A ruling on this, as I'd kind of suspect that "sheet" means that it starts as sheet and stays as "sheet"... but it doesn't say so (yet) as far as I know. I'd also be prepared to document the fact that whatever cast component you make started out as sheet.

Perhaps a better way would be to use a CNC machine to cut thin layers of your project from sheet stock and build up your mechanism layer by layer... you could use aircraft grade adhesives to hold the aluminum together and then go back and do a final machining pass to get everything exactly to size.

Jason

Chris is me 15-01-2011 01:06

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
Food for thought: Vex metal was once aluminium sheet. :)

DonRotolo 15-01-2011 01:08

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 1000471)
you could use aircraft grade adhesives

There are some very strong automotive (body repair) adhesives too, probably more readily available and less costly as well.

jvriezen 15-01-2011 01:43

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 1000471)
I don't believe melting and casting are disallowed by the rules... in previous years we cast and turned wheel hubs, and at least some of the aluminum in those hubs was... in a former life... sheet.

Now, I'd probably get a Q&A ruling on this, as I'd kind of suspect that "sheet" means that it starts as sheet and stays as "sheet"... but it doesn't say so (yet) as far as I know. I'd also be prepared to document the fact that whatever cast component you make started out as sheet.

Perhaps a better way would be to use a CNC machine to cut thin layers of your project from sheet stock and build up your mechanism layer by layer... you could use aircraft grade adhesives to hold the aluminum together and then go back and do a final machining pass to get everything exactly to size.

Jason

Aircraft grade adhesive is not an allowable material, is it?

efoote868 15-01-2011 01:48

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Creator Mat (Post 1000458)
In the rules for the mini-bots it says that Aluminum sheet is allowed. So what is the definition of a Aluminum sheet. 1" thick, 1/2" thick, or 1/4" thick piece of aluminum? Or could we get a 12" x 12" x 12" block of aluminum machine it out and call it a "sheet"? Where does a sheet of aluminum stop being a sheet and becomes a block?

I'd say it stops being a sheet when you can no longer bend it with a normal shop setup.

Rion Atkinson 15-01-2011 02:47

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by efoote868 (Post 1000494)
I'd say it stops being a sheet when you can no longer bend it with a normal shop setup.

Now your question is what is a "normal shop set up." Take 148 the past few years. Sheet metal robots, just bent and riveted.

Creator Mat 15-01-2011 03:26

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 1000460)
wikipedia is always right...it says up to 1/4 inch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheet_metal

sounds good to me

Its right until I change the entry... jk. Thx for the answer i couldn't find my answer on wiki I guess a search of "sheet" doesn't cut it I have to search "sheet metal", who knew?

sanddrag 15-01-2011 03:45

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
Generally speaking, I've always regarded anything over 1/8" thick as plate. Don't they also allow any aluminum bar stock though?

MrForbes 15-01-2011 09:41

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by efoote868 (Post 1000494)
I'd say it stops being a sheet when you can no longer bend it with a normal shop setup.

I can bend 1/4" relatively easily in my press, I can bend thicker metal too, but not in very useful ways.

Even if wiki is not always right (that was a little joke) I would say 1/8" is definitely sheet metal, and 3/8" is definitely not sheet metal. So it's somewhere around 1/4" thick that it changes.

Teched3 15-01-2011 10:53

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
ihave always taught the sheet metal was differentiated from plate by having a gauge number. Consulting the engineer's handbook, go to this link for clarification and documentation:

http://www.engineershandbook.com/Tables/gauge2.htm

Notice the difference between ferrous and non- ferrous metals.:) :) :)

dlavery 15-01-2011 12:34

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1000479)
Food for thought: Vex metal was once aluminium sheet. :)

Isn't it still?




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Bob Steele 15-01-2011 12:57

Re: Definition of a Aluminum Sheet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1000479)
Food for thought: Vex metal was once aluminium sheet. :)

What Vex metal are we talking about here?
Most of the metal in my VEX kits is steel

The FTC metal is aluminum...
Has VEX changed over to aluminum?

I have some VERY expensive aluminum parts that I got a few years ago from VEX that are aluminum... that is the only aluminum I see on the VEX product site. 99.95 for an aluminum chassis kit... Do they have sheet?

just curious


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