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SamRI 17-01-2011 18:16

Mini bot Brain
 
Is the brain for the mini bot really a Nxt brain or is it something else, and also what is the programming language we can use to program the mini robot?

Emanforlife 17-01-2011 19:10

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
The Lego NXT is the brain, and you can use what the FTC team's use which is RobotC to program the robot.

EricH 17-01-2011 19:15

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
Depends on whether you opt to use the NXT. Yes, it is optional. I'm sure you can come up with something using a pair of light switches and/or some limit switches if you wanted to. If you do use the NXT controller, don't forget to disable Bluetooth.

Techhexium 17-01-2011 20:42

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
As others have mentioned the NXT is the brain, and you can either program in RobotC or in LabView. To program the motors with the NXT and RobotC / Labview, you will need a HiTechnic Motor Controller for TETRIX which cost $80 ($55 if you're in FTC team).

wilsonmw04 17-01-2011 20:46

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
Can the NXT handle the shock of hitting the top?

Techhexium 17-01-2011 21:28

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
Although one of my team members once dropped a NXT to the floor and it still works, I doubt it because the NXT would have to withstand the shock multiple times. Most FTC teams cover their NXT so it that it is visible and protected by metal rather than leaving it exposed.

jamie_1930 17-01-2011 21:37

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
I've been thinking about this lately and have come to the conclusion that you could just wire up the mini bot to always be turning the motors, if that's how you're doing it, and completely get rid of the brain. It would save weight and space. Also being someone who is loaning out mini bots it saves me the worry of what would happen if a NXT brick were to fall from over 10 feet. I don't know about you guys, but I don't think it will be a good result. And to stop what is going to be the immediate next question if I don't answer it now. Yes, you could shield the brain to survive that fall, but again you add weight and space, as well as extra design time that could be used instead for practice.

The only problem I see with this is it would drain the battery during a match, but then again we have light switches we can use so why not turn it on when it hits the pole.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1002354)
Can the NXT handle the shock of hitting the top?

Hitting the top should be fine, but not hitting the bottom from the top

wilsonmw04 17-01-2011 21:38

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Techhexium (Post 1002386)
Although one of my team members once dropped a NXT to the floor and it still works, I doubt it because the NXT would have to withstand the shock multiple times. Most FTC teams cover their NXT so it that it is visible and protected by metal rather than leaving it exposed.

I run FIRST FTC 35. It's not the exposure that worries me. It's the acceleration/forces that the brain will be regularly subjected to while riding on the backs of FRC bots. We have had several occurrences of our NXT freezing after a hit during FTC season. I am hesitant to rely on them at this moment.

Dad1279 17-01-2011 22:31

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
I suspect many mini-bot brains will have 1 bit memory, and the processor will only understand 1 instruction....

Grim Tuesday 17-01-2011 22:33

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
I see no reason whatsoever to add an NXT.

wilsonmw04 17-01-2011 22:37

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1002460)
I see no reason whatsoever to add an NXT.

Here's one: Weight = more work needed to reach the top. If power is constant among the minibots, then the one that is lightest will win.

bobosalad 17-01-2011 23:40

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
so do we need to have a "brain" in the mini bot or can it be simple switch electronics?

EricH 17-01-2011 23:43

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobosalad (Post 1002523)
so do we need to have a "brain" in the mini bot or can it be simple switch electronics?

Brain optional. IIRC, Q&A clarified this already.

Chris is me 17-01-2011 23:51

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1002464)
Here's one: Weight = more work needed to reach the top. If power is constant among the minibots, then the one that is lightest will win.

Adding an NXT would not remove weight.

wilsonmw04 18-01-2011 06:47

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1002533)
Adding an NXT would not remove weight.

Yeah, funny what you think when you don't see the negative in a statement, hmm? My Bad.

DarrinMunter 18-01-2011 08:17

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsonmw04 (Post 1002397)
I run FIRST FTC 35. It's not the exposure that worries me. It's the acceleration/forces that the brain will be regularly subjected to while riding on the backs of FRC bots. We have had several occurrences of our NXT freezing after a hit during FTC season. I am hesitant to rely on them at this moment.

You could use some of the rubber tubing and make shock mounts for the NXT.

TheGuyz 20-01-2011 00:47

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
So we dont need a brain to run the minibot?

JB987 20-01-2011 01:00

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGuyz (Post 1004059)
So we dont need a brain to run the minibot?

You need a brain to design and build the robot but not to run it...no, you don't need the NXT if you make use of the 2 allowed standard light switches.

Andrew Zeller 20-01-2011 20:46

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
You are exactly right. All you need is a light switch facing upward on the top of the mini bot to stop it once it hits the top of the pole and one that is pushed when the minibot is "attached" to the pole and ready to go up. Simple circuitry

bls0620 20-01-2011 21:45

Re: Mini bot Brain
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SamRI (Post 1002250)
Is the brain for the mini bot really a Nxt brain or is it something else, and also what is the programming language we can use to program the mini robot?

You could use RobotC or LabVIEW depending on your preference. What I can tell you is programming in LabVIEW isn't hard at all. You can download the NXT toolkit here (and you need this!)


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