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JohnBoucher 31-01-2011 12:29

Mother Nature and the 6 weeks
 
Mother Nature does not care that FIRST teams are on a tight schedule. We have lost many days and I suspect we will lose most of this week.

Please remember to be safe this week. Use your time off to develop scouting sheets, to run game scenarios and to work on awards. This is part of the challenge, don't take unnecessary risks.

nikeairmancurry 31-01-2011 12:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnBoucher (Post 1012437)
Mother Nature does not care that FIRST teams are on a tight schedule. We have lost many days and I suspect we will lose most of this week.

Please remember to be safe this week. Use your time off to develop scouting sheets, to run game scenarios and to work on awards. This is part of the challenge, don't take unnecessary risks.

100% agreed this upcoming storm will affect probably 60% plus of robotics teams...

Jared Russell 31-01-2011 12:34

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It may sound cliched, but there have been instances where not being able to get into our shop due to weather has actually been helpful to our team! It's an opportunity to re-think the choices you have made, and sometimes being forced to put down the tools leads to better design decisions (at least it has for our team!)

thefro526 31-01-2011 12:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 1012441)
It may sound cliched, but there have been instances where not being able to get into our shop due to weather has actually been helpful to our team! It's an opportunity to re-think the choices you have made, and sometimes being forced to put down the tools leads to better design decisions (at least it has for our team!)

It also gives tired mentors a time to take a well deserved nap.

JamesCH95 31-01-2011 12:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thefro526 (Post 1012442)
It also gives tired mentors a time to take a well deserved nap.

This.

Dustin Shadbolt 31-01-2011 13:10

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Yeah we're going to lose this week most likely due to this storm. 20inches in a rural area just sucks.

Alan Anderson 31-01-2011 15:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dShad (Post 1012467)
Yeah we're going to lose this week most likely due to this storm. 20inches in a rural area just sucks.

Heck, 20 inches at once in an urban area (where that's twice what they're prepared for) is going to shut things down for a while.

fox46 31-01-2011 18:12

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To us this is a blessing! The team doesnt have to go to school and I dont have to go to work so we get at least 24 hrs straight to get as much done as we can. Bring on the white stuff!

Chris is me 31-01-2011 18:22

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I'm not exactly excited about losing a meeting to 30 inches of snow - especially because I personally only get two meetings a week and this cuts one of them :(

yodameister 31-01-2011 18:37

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We are also looking at losing tomorrow afternoon (after school activities canceled) as well as Wednesday due to the storm.

IndySam 31-01-2011 19:15

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We were sent home early tonight and the rest of the week looks bad. Loosing week four is gonna suck big time. I'm so glad we are not doing a week one regional this year,

1986titans 31-01-2011 19:58

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Last year, we didn't lose too much to the snow, as the major snowstorms of the year dumped between Christmas and the week before kickoff.

This year, we haven't been so lucky. We've had about a week of snow days since build season has begun, and we're getting "Snowpocalypse" tomorrow that will wipe out even more days of the build season.

That being said, I'm glad the snow is coming now instead of week 6.

MagiChau 31-01-2011 20:11

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Luckily, when the big snow storm hits us we really only have a chance for a snowday on the only schoolday we don't build, wednesday.

pfreivald 31-01-2011 20:22

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Given the time Banebots has already cost us, what's a little snow?

SGK 01-02-2011 07:53

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Day #9 off today; Day #10 tomorrow!!

Al Skierkiewicz 01-02-2011 08:34

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We'll see how things go here. I had 2-3 inches on the ground at home this morning with 12-24 more on the way this afternoon.

rsegrest 01-02-2011 08:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pfreivald (Post 1012824)
Given the time Banebots has already cost us, what's a little snow?

Amen to that my friend ;)

Andrew Schreiber 01-02-2011 09:18

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Hey, a day or two off would be great for me. Course, living across from KU I have the benefit of having a full machine shop within walking distance, sounds like I should take the parts that need machining home with me tonight.

I second the comment about BB costing us more time than snow since we will only lose (at most) 4 days to this snow storm (Wed, Thur, Fri, Sat).

gyroscopeRaptor 01-02-2011 09:49

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Right as I open this thread, my sister yells down that school is canceled.

We didn't get much done yesterday, so clearign our minds will be helpful.

Southern MN has 3 ft on the ground in most places (screw driveway, i've got a freaking canyon!) but they were all on weekends, save for today's. The upshot of this is no snow predicted this weekend for our area. Pizza build, woo!

JohnBoucher 01-02-2011 09:52

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We have lost 1/3 of our build time. It's all part of the challenge :D

Brian Ha 01-02-2011 09:57

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Man, our First Team got lucky, basically up in here, up in here, up in there, we are getting snow tonight and tomorrow, luckily for us, meetings are mondays, tuesdays, thursdays, fridays, and saturdays. Unfortunately at the moment it seems to look like we wont have school thursday which puts poop in our schedule. =(

dricks 01-02-2011 10:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1012593)
Heck, 20 inches at once in an urban area (where that's twice what they're prepared for) is going to shut things down for a while.

That doesn't make our 1/4" of ice seem so bad!

AcesJames 01-02-2011 10:19

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Up here we've got about thirty inches on the ground from the storms over the past month and we're expected to get another eighteen or so between today and tomorrow. We've had five nights locked out of the school due to snow and two more due to maintenance on the roof of the school cleaning that snow off. Today and tomorrow only add to that meaning by the end of week four, we will have been locked out nine out of twenty eight build days.

rsisk 01-02-2011 10:23

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At the risk of cursing our build, all I have to say is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zESYDjWrpbA :D

Racer26 01-02-2011 10:31

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We've been told to expect 8-18 inches here over the next 24 hours. I'm still betting its unlikely to shut down schools here. The GTA is usually fairly prepared for snow like that. Well, the municipalities are, anyway. The drivers... well, they all seem to forget how to drive, every time theres more than a micron of snow on the ground.

pfreivald 01-02-2011 12:03

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We'll probably get a snow day tomorrow, and depending on how the storm tracks, maybe the next day...

...so we'll just work longer/harder to make up for it. It's not like we have, erm, what are those things again? Oh, right: options.

Koko Ed 01-02-2011 12:51

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In my 10 years of FIRST I can only recall my team cancelling one meeting due to the weather (if the mentors can go to Xeorx to work they can go the site afterwards. The kids were given the option of showing up if they wished if the conditions were bad) but now that we are in a site run by the City school district we have had a meeting cancelled and a work day (no meeting scheduled but we could have had access to the site to work) with the very likely possibility of having tomorrow's meeting cancelled as well.
This year has definately been challenging to say the least.

Sunshine 01-02-2011 13:52

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They just canceled school for tomorrow and all after school activities for today and tomorrow. We can not meet (school rule) when activities are canceled. We were planning on meeting both days because we are behind schedule from back orders from vendor (s).

Now we'll see what Thursday will bring. :eek:

pfreivald 01-02-2011 15:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1013311)
In my 10 years of FIRST I can only recall my team cancelling one meeting due to the weather (if the mentors can go to Xeorx to work they can go the site afterwards. The kids were given the option of showing up if they wished if the conditions were bad) but now that we are in a site run by the City school district we have had a meeting cancelled and a work day (no meeting scheduled but we could have had access to the site to work) with the very likely possibility of having tomorrow's meeting cancelled as well.
This year has definately been challenging to say the least.

In NYS it is illegal to hold extracurricular activities on a day when school has been canceled due to weather... Thus, Naples loses about three days a year due to snow/cancellations.

Koko Ed 01-02-2011 15:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pfreivald (Post 1013439)
In NYS it is illegal to hold extracurricular activities on a day when school has been canceled due to weather... Thus, Naples loses about three days a year due to snow/cancellations.

We never made the kids come. We just gave them the option if they wanted to come.
Because we had our own site the school district had no say on when we could or could not have the site open.

JaneYoung 01-02-2011 15:50

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I wonder who holds the record for days lost due to weather.

Al Skierkiewicz 01-02-2011 17:26

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Well,
It is snowing here in Chicago, and schools are now closed. No after schools events and no school tomorrow. I am home now but after traveling most of the way home at a normal pace, the snow began to fall and it has taken me 1.5 hours to go the last seven miles. Visibility a couple of hundred feet at best with wind gusting to at least thirty. Higher winds coming with waves on Lake Michigan predicted to be 18-25 feet by tonight. Surfs up dudes!

IceStorm 01-02-2011 19:02

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We were shut down on sat. due to the snow even though I didn't think the roads were all that bad outside. Building administration wouldn't even let us just delay the meeting.

Then today with the impending "snow storm of the century" we were told that all after school activities were canceled. We normally only meet until 6 on Tuesdays and it hasn't even started snowing here yet an hour after the kids would have left and gotten home.

We've now lost 2 Saturdays and 2 after school days due to weather or other activities happening in the building.

Even with all of this for only being a 2nd year team I still feel like were mostly on schedule. We've been waiting for parts to arrive or materials to be welded up anyways.

Guess we just add more days to make up for the lost days. Nothing else that you can really do about it when you live in the snowy climates.

davepowers 01-02-2011 20:35

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My team has missed multiple meetings due to snow, and I predict we'll lose another tomorrow:(. This isn't going to be fun. But on the bright side, it allows mentors and all of the kids to take a well deserved rest and re-think designs.

Dave, GUS 228, team228.org

ouellet348 01-02-2011 20:49

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We've lost four days so far, and will probably lose another two this week alone. The only good thing is that we're waiting for the final parts to arrive and it's given us valuable time to work over the CAD designs. Since we can't get into the school with the snow, we've resorted to having the three "all-star" machinist on the team take a plow truck and go to the engineering shop of our fantastically generous engineer and mentor. I must say the sight of a bunch of nerds getting in a big truck with robot parts and riding out into the storm must be pretty funny. At least it's only week four.

Andrew Schreiber 01-02-2011 20:54

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Tomorrow might be our first snow day I say might because last we checked the school was still open despite KU already being closed tomorrow. (If any of you doubt that I rubbed that one in the students' faces you really don't know me)

A lot of our stuff is waiting on orders (BB I am looking at you) or waiting on machining. As such ICanCountTo19 and I will try to hole ourselves up in a nice warm machine shop tomorrow (after sleeping in until 12) to do those parts. If we have our way we will actually come out ahead of schedule because of this snow day.

MarcD79 01-02-2011 21:01

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Not liking this storm after storm routine. With Week "0" scrimmage coming up in 2.5 weeks, I hope this doesn't continue. Not only does our team have to build a robot, it has to prepare for the Scrimmage......fun is!

klmx30302 01-02-2011 21:34

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Our team has lost 4 days as of now because even though we had school today after school activities were canceled so we could not meet, we've lost 15 hrs of build time and only made up 3 hours so far. And because were definitely not having school tomorrow we've lost 5 days now and a total of 18 build hours. There's also the possibility that we'll have no school on Thursday as well which would bring the total to 6 days and 21 build hours lost to snow.

Grim Tuesday 01-02-2011 21:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pfreivald (Post 1013439)
In NYS it is illegal to hold extracurricular activities on a day when school has been canceled due to weather... Thus, Naples loses about three days a year due to snow/cancellations.

We know how you guys feel! In Ithaca, they tend to cancel after school activites (even though we arent until 5-9), and we must abide. Tomorow will be our third missed day, since they preemptively cancelled school.

I guess we all have the same handicap at FLR!

Tetraman 01-02-2011 21:51

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Hopefully the drive to FLR won't be evil to everyone.

My only advice is to email FIRST and simply explain that your team has lost X number of work days. I'm sure that if FIRST receives enough non-whiny emails about the weather situation, they will add an extension of a day like they did one year.

wjr1965 01-02-2011 22:07

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Our team is in the Detroit area and we will already have lost three days - maybe more by the end of this week.

pfreivald 01-02-2011 22:59

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A. Ed, I didn't mean to imply you were doing anything illegal! :eek:

B. I'm not too worried about it. It is what it is, and shall be what it shall be. We have a snow day tomorrow, with a small possibility of one Thursday as well. I am eating a chocolate biscotti made by my wife, while sipping tea next to the wood stove -- tea made with honey from my bees, no less -- while my faithful hounds sleep at my feet.

C. It is impossible to be grumpy about anything when eating biscotti made by one's beautiful wife, drinking tea sweetened by one's own honey, warmed by a wood stove, and with a dog asleep on one's foot. Simply impossible.

Al Skierkiewicz 02-02-2011 06:18

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Can you pass over a another biscotti please?

Tetraman 02-02-2011 07:58

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Liverpool schools are closed today. Not a deal-breaker as 174 takes Wednesdays off to give mentors a break.

*takes a break*

pfreivald 02-02-2011 10:27

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Al, I've been known to occasionally mail honey to other FIRST mentors...

Tetraman: How much snow did you get? We have a snow day, but the roads are clean and dry after the whopping 2" we were pounded with last night.

JohnBoucher 02-02-2011 11:28

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Wow... Chicago is really getting hit hard. Winds damaged Wrigley Field roof.

It's an ice storm here in Watertown.

JesseK 02-02-2011 11:36

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I feel ya Chris, we lose one every now and then and it always seems to be on one of my two days with the team. We have a garage to work in right now, and while hand tools are doing fine I do miss the nice straight cuts of the power tools. I'm almost addicted to the smell of fresh cut metal at 7am on Saturday :o.

Al Skierkiewicz 02-02-2011 19:02

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Well,
I think we are mostly dug out now. Drifts in my front yard were over my waist. The sun came out this afternoon but temps are now going into the minus region tonight and wind chills may be as low as -25 to -30 F. Plows have only come within three feet of the curb because they can't push anymore snow.

SteveGPage 02-02-2011 19:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetraman (Post 1013803)
My only advice is to email FIRST and simply explain that your team has lost X number of work days. I'm sure that if FIRST receives enough non-whiny emails about the weather situation, they will add an extension of a day like they did one year.

Let me make a prediction. No extension, only an increase in withholding allowance. In the DC area last year, we had almost 4 feet of snow in less than a week. We lost 15 days because of weather. There was so much snow on the roof of our building, we were told we couldn't even go into the building to get parts to work on, because of the fear of a roof collapse. We sent plenty of non-whiny emails, and there was no extension. My guess is, we'll see the same this year.

This year, we've been on the sleet, freezing rain and very little snow side of the storms, so we've only lost 2 days. I feel for you all out in the Mid-west and in New England.

We will be competing in the BAE Granite State Regional in Week 1. Any teams that will be competing there, and need assistance, give us a shout. We're happy to roll up our sleeves and help you all out. Last year there were plenty of teams that did that for us. That's what "family" does for each other!

Hang in there and be safe above all else!

Steve

KC1AJT 02-02-2011 19:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveGPage (Post 1014447)
Let me make a prediction. No extension, only an increase in withholding allowance. In the DC area last year, we had almost 4 feet of snow in less than a week. We lost 15 days because of weather. There was so much snow on the roof of our building, we were told we couldn't even go into the building to get parts to work on, because of the fear of a roof collapse. We sent plenty of non-whiny emails, and there was no extension. My guess is, we'll see the same this year.

This year, we've been on the sleet, freezing rain and very little snow side of the storms, so we've only lost 2 days. I feel for you all out in the Mid-west and in New England.

We will be competing in the BAE Granite State Regional in Week 1. Any teams that will be competing there, and need assistance, give us a shout. We're happy to roll up our sleeves and help you all out. Last year there were plenty of teams that did that for us. That's what "family" does for each other!

Hang in there and be safe above all else!

Steve

We'll see you at BAE this year, hopefully we'll be able to get some work done tomorrow at the school. Theres massive ice issues here in MA i just had to chop an ice dam off my roof with a hatchet!


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