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We received our p60's last week although ours were for the 550's. It's disheartening to hear how far behind banebots is on teams orders.

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1013176)

I'm going to do something stupid and try to design a gearbox to replace the CIMULATOR teams can make at their shops using Toughbox parts. I'll see how it goes.

You would be my hero!

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Originally Posted by sircedric4 (Post 1013170)

All of this anecdotal data is disheartening to hear. I guess I better call Banebots and see if they are even going to get to the order we put in on January 24th. We were going to use the CIM-U-LATORS and some RS775's for the second motor in our supershifter (1 CIM, 1 RS775) because we are using 1 CIM on our elevator. (Update: I was told they should ship worse case by Monday for our order date)

I wonder which will be easier, getting these before ship date or trying to lobby the GDC to allow a 5th CIM motor like they did last year?

I will have to get with the other mentor on the team and see if we can't build our own CIMULATOR. (Though I have no idea where it could fit in our current full schedule. Ordering is much better than building in a 6 week build season) Has any team already designed one and if so do you feel like going opensource with your design?

I am with you on the 5th Sim post it!

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Originally Posted by sircedric4 (Post 1013170)

(Update: I was told they should ship worse case by Monday for our order date)

If you don't mind, can you post up your order date so that other teams (including mine) can get a feel for where Banebots is at with orders?

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WOW! I didn't realize how behind these things actually were:ahh: I hope we can get something before build is over because I'm reeealy against using those window motors for what we need them for :( hope the 5th CIM happens :D

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Originally Posted by thefro526 (Post 1013359)

If you don't mind, can you post up your order date so that other teams (including mine) can get a feel for where Banebots is at with orders?

January 24 at 7:30 EST. :-) I had a pretty good conversation with whoever answered the phone. Apparantly they are working 24 hours-7 days a week trying to get the orders filled. They didn't expect as big a demand on a new product.

My guess is that FIRST did not tell them that they were only allowing 4 CIMS this year. I know we wouldn't be using the Banebot motors and thus be waiting on CIMULATORS if we could have had a 5th CIM.

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Originally Posted by sircedric4 (Post 1013367)

Im sorry but that is a total crock. FIRST included 4 different motors of theirs and they didn't expect as big a demand?? Obviously teams are going to go to the source of their motors for their gearbox solutions. I understand it is tough for businesses to anticipate an FRC season because it's 6 weeks of HIGH volume business and very little the rest of the year. However, FIRST should be getting to a point after 20 years where there is enough data to start following trends and inform suppliers/partners of anticipated demand.

Maybe FIRST should conduct a survey of where teams buy a lot of their components from.

-Brando

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Originally Posted by sircedric4 (Post 1013367)

Interesting.

We placed our order for P60's at 9AM EST on 1/19/11 and I do not believe it has shipped yet. I believe we fell into the earlier group of the now 10-15 day lead time so ours should be shipping soon, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Holley (Post 1013372)

Brando, I'm with you. If I were in charge of a company supplying 4 different variants of motors (Technically 6 if you count the 775-12 and the 550-B that are legal as of the new updates) to all of the nearly 2,000 teams in FRC then I would assume at least 75% of them would come back to place an order for something related to those supplied motors....

Shoot, if they're unable the order volume due to business size or staffing or whatever, then maybe they could look into having AndyMark carry their product line as well since AM doesn't really make many Gearboxes for the Smaller Motors and we know AndyMark is capable of handling the volume of build season order with a reasonable delay.

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Has anyone looked into adapting AM planetary gearboxes to work with RS775 motors? What about the 550s? I'm guessing the motor shaft is a bit too short to work with in both cases...

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Originally Posted by s_forbes (Post 1013387)

Has anyone looked into adapting AM planetary gearboxes to work with RS775 motors? What about the 550s? I'm guessing the motor shaft is a bit too short to work with in both cases...

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...&highlight=775

3rd post from Paul Copioli specifically.

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Our order time was 01/24/2011 13:12:46 EDT. They assured me I was in the earlier lead time. We still do not have a tracking number. We have basically given up on these arriving for our initial design. If we find they will improve our design later, maybe we will use them, but at this point we are moving on without them as best we can. Even the FP motor for the AM planetary from AM is not available yet.

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Originally Posted by mjgard (Post 1013647)

Even the FP motor for the AM planetary from AM is not available yet.

You received this motor in your Kit of Parts.

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All,

We have successfully used the AM Planetary with the RS 775. Both 217 and 148 are using the AM Planetary for their robots (and no we are not collaborating this year). IFI provides 217 with sheet metal so we returned a small part of that favor by modifying the AM input plate and the input gear to work with the RS775. We are using 4 and I think 148 is using at least 3.

I have the drawings and will post them if there are interested parties. If you are exceptionally desperate you can PM me and I can give you the address to send your plates, gears, and RS775 motors for us to modify.

Regarding the speed match ... you do not have to match at free speed if using these with CIM motors. I am using these with CIM motors and the AM gearing is just fine. Actually, if you do the math this ratio is much better for our application than matching at free speed.

Paul

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Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 1013736)

I have the drawings and will post them if there are interested parties.

2791 is VERY interested.

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Regarding the speed match ... you do not have to match at free speed if using these with CIM motors. I am using these with CIM motors and the AM gearing is just fine. Actually, if you do the math this ratio is much better for our application than matching at free speed.

Out of curiosity, what math would one do to calculate this? What is the ideal speed to match motors at?

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Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 1013736)

We have successfully used the AM Planetary with the RS 775. Both 217 and 148 are using the AM Planetary for their robots (and no we are not collaborating this year). IFI provides 217 with sheet metal so we returned a small part of that favor by modifying the AM input plate and the input gear to work with the RS775. We are using 4 and I think 148 is using at least 3.

Paul

I don't talk about YOUR robot...