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EricH

01-02-2011 21:56

Re: Team Update #7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.G (Post 1013808)

QandA is not the rules.....QandA is to help people understand the rules. The rules are the rules.

Their answer in QandA totally contridicted the rules and thus ment nothing.

Please read <G68> and THEN tell me whether or not it contradicted the rules. They made that ruling based on <G68>.

Roboham

01-02-2011 21:56

Re: Team Update #7

The update says

Quote:

An image of the hook that will be used by FIELD crew to remove MINIBOTS from the TOWER has been posted
under Section 3 – The Game at www.usfirst.org/frc/competitionmanual.

I have checked section 3 and cannot seem to find it. :confused: Does anyone know where it might be?

nitneylion452

01-02-2011 21:57

Re: Team Update #7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.G (Post 1013808)

QandA is not the rules.....QandA is to help people understand the rules. The rules are the rules.

Their answer in QandA totally contridicted the rules and thus ment nothing.

The Q&A is an OFFICIAL RULING by the GDC. Whatever they say in the Q&A becomes the rule regardless of what the manual says.::rtm::

EricH

01-02-2011 21:57

Re: Team Update #7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roboham (Post 1013817)

The update says

I have checked section 3 and cannot seem to find it. :confused: Does anyone know where it might be?

I think they jumped the gun on saying it had been posted. Hopefully it'll be up in a day or so.

Mr.G	01-02-2011 22:00

Re: Team Update #7

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1013814)

Please read <G68> and THEN tell me whether or not it contradicted the rules. They made that ruling based on <G68>.

<G68> The minimum MATCH SCORE is zero points.

Not sure what you are meaning?

MarkoRamius1086

01-02-2011 22:00

Re: Team Update #7

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitneylion452 (Post 1013798)

I don't know if this is what you meant, but it seems to me that the field crew will be doing the removing of the MINIBOT, not the teams themselves.

::rtm:: I got the same impression... I doubt the GDC would go so far as to make a statement such as "We do not want you to strive for getting your MINIBOT to the bottom of the pole under its own power."

Best of luck this year!
Petrie

EricH

01-02-2011 22:01

Re: Team Update #7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.G (Post 1013823)

<G68> The minimum MATCH SCORE is zero points.

Not sure what you are meaning?

Nice try. You quoted <G69>.

Quote:

<G68> Scores will be assessed when the MATCH ends and all objects in motion come to rest, or 10 seconds elapses, whichever comes first.

Mr.G	01-02-2011 22:02

Re: Team Update #7

Quote:

Originally Posted by nitneylion452 (Post 1013818)

The Q&A is an OFFICIAL RULING by the GDC. Whatever they say in the Q&A becomes the rule regardless of what the manual says.::rtm::

Where does it say that?

Mr.G	01-02-2011 22:03

Re: Team Update #7

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1013826)

Nice try. You quoted <G69>.

I pulled up the latest rules and that is what G68 is.

nitneylion452

01-02-2011 22:04

Re: Team Update #7

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1013826)

Nice try. You quoted <G69>.

Actually, as per RevG, that is indeed <G68>, it is <G67>.

EricH

01-02-2011 22:05

Re: Team Update #7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.G (Post 1013828)

Where does it say that?

It doesn't.

But, when was the last time a Supreme Court ruling wasn't treated as law? The Q&A is the Supreme Court of FRC. It's where you go for intent behind the rule and interpretation of the rule.

Henzado

01-02-2011 22:06

Re: Team Update #7

<G69> is the rule of the minimum match score, <G68> is how the scores will be assesed.

nitneylion452

01-02-2011 22:07

Re: Team Update #7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henzado (Post 1013835)

<G69> is the rule of the minimum match score, <G68> is how the scores will be assesed.

Read RevG of the manual

Quote:

<G67> Scores will be assessed when the MATCH ends and all objects in motion come to rest, or 10 seconds elapses, whichever comes first.

<G68> The minimum MATCH SCORE is zero points.

zbanks

01-02-2011 22:08

Re: Team Update #7

Oddly enough, R96 was deleted:

Quote:

<R96> At the time of inspection, teams must submit an electronic copy of their Bill Of Materials (BOM) of all items used in the construction of their MINIBOT to the inspector. BOMs must be transferred to inspectors at the event via USB drive (inspector or team provided)

It seems strange to release an update regarding how KOP items are recorded on the BOM, then eliminate the BOM as part of inspection? What's the point?

EDIT: Oops, R96 was redundant to R82!

GaryVoshol

01-02-2011 22:09

Re: Team Update #7

Oops! When they fixed <G59> in RevG, they deleted <G60>. All rules below that have been decremented by 1.

So the Old <G68>, which is <G67> in RevG, reads:

Quote:

Scores will be assessed when the MATCH ends and all objects in motion come to rest, or 10 seconds elapses, whichever comes first.

Just as with the 60"/84" issue, there was a conflict within the rules. Someone asked Q&A, and it eventually was corrected.

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