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PAR_WIG1350 06-02-2011 18:04

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Originally Posted by Eagleeyedan (Post 1016965)
Well, the students on our team really appriciate all the work our mentors do for us. Here's a big thanks to all mentors who give up their time to build our futures! THANKS!!!

:eek: IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU!!!

PAR_WIG1350 06-02-2011 18:06

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Originally Posted by spacepenguine (Post 1017024)
How does the withholding allowance work between competitions? I couldn't find any mention of it in the rules. Like, if you brought 30lbs of manufactured parts in to your first competition which you then bag with your robot at the conclusion of the competition, can you then bring in 30 new lbs of parts for the next competition (limited, of course, by the 120lb hostbot limit)?

I believe it is 30 lbs per event, but I'm not 100% sure.

zbanks 06-02-2011 23:25

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Originally Posted by Vikesrock (Post 1016561)
Yes, 30lbs + Minibot + Operator Console + Batteries, wire and Anderson connector

Where does it say that the Minibot is automatically included in the withholding allowance?

I remember looking through the rules to determine if it was or not, but based on what I found, the MINIBOT is part of the ROBOT and is thus included in the 30lbs.

Either way, it'd make sense to withhold the minibot.

Vikesrock 07-02-2011 07:32

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Originally Posted by zbanks (Post 1017333)
Where does it say that the Minibot is automatically included in the withholding allowance?

<R33-b>

GaryVoshol 07-02-2011 09:18

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Originally Posted by zbanks (Post 1017333)
Where does it say that the Minibot is automatically included in the withholding allowance?

The rules (Intro, 1.6, Definitions) do not specifically say the MINIBOT is in the WITHHOLDING ALLOWANCE; it is stated that the OPERATING CONSOLE is automatically in the ALLOWANCE. <R33> confirms that the MINIBOT weight is not counted against the 30 pounds. However there was a Q&A that confirmed the MINIBOT is in the ALLOWANCE.

Jibsy 21-02-2011 14:36

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What is included with the operator console? Is that just the computer/joysticks (or whatever the team decides to use)? I'm assuming this doesn't include the crio? There was an email that we received as a rookie team letting us know about withholding, it said that the robot control system was included in this. We are *hoping* we will be able to continue working on our autonomous programming, but didn't want to make a rookie mistake and keep the crio and cause bigger problems :yikes:

Alan Anderson 21-02-2011 14:40

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Originally Posted by Jibsy (Post 1028430)
What is included with the operator console?

The Operator Console is basically everything physically connected to what you'll be carrying to the alliance station and placing on the shelf there. It doesn't include anything on the robot.

Danny Diaz 21-02-2011 15:23

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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1028432)
The Operator Console is basically everything physically connected to what you'll be carrying to the alliance station and placing on the shelf there. It doesn't include anything on the robot.

While this is true, I highly recommend holding on to the cRIO as well. It is worth its weight in Krispy Kreme donuts to the programming team when it works out of the box on competition day.

-Danny

Alan Anderson 21-02-2011 15:56

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Keep in mind that the cRIO as supplied is a COTS (Commercial, Off The Shelf) component. As long as you haven't modified it -- and you most definitely should not have modified it -- its weight doesn't count against your withholding allowance of FABRICATED stuff anyway.

ZipTie3182 22-02-2011 09:25

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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1028480)
Keep in mind that the cRIO as supplied is a COTS (Commercial, Off The Shelf) component. As long as you haven't modified it -- and you most definitely should not have modified it -- its weight doesn't count against your withholding allowance of FABRICATED stuff anyway.

This is what I was actually wondering. Are we sure on this? I mean, it makes sense since the rule says:

Teams may bring a maximum of 30 pounds of custom FABRICATED ITEMS (SPARE
PARTS, REPLACEMENT PARTS, and UPGRADE PARTS, plus all WITHHOLDING
ALLOWANCE items) to each competition event to be used to repair and/or upgrade their
ROBOT at the competition site.

but I just want to clarify on this, are we sure that you can bring your cRIO in say a separate box and they won't stop you for it? How exactly would you bring it in along with other COTS items such as maybe the radio, and some spare parts like gearboxes and motors?

-Anna


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