Re: Banebots RS-775 Case Short
 

The AndyMarks, BaneBots, and FPs are all in the same class.

Re: Banebots RS-775 Case Short
 

Point being we get rid of banebots and increase the quantity of another type of motor. Or find a different type of motor.

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Halfway there! The AM motors are new this year. (And don't forget the ARA motor allowance.)

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BaneBots is giving $30 worth of free materials to all 2,354 registered teams to use as they see fit. That's a donation of over $70k. Not small change, and I'm sure BB does even more for FIRST that is not covered in this one donation. I don't know that FIRST is ready to thumb their collective nose at a gold sponsor with years of involvement in competition robotics (not just FRC) and many other worthwhile products. The 550-series motors, the gearboxes, the wheels - they're all quality products.

I agree, take the 775s for a long walk off a short pier. The customer service at BB leaves something to be desired (to be fair we're pretty spoiled by VEXPro and AndyMark). But to dump a strong supporting company of FIRST? That's just not good business.

Re: Banebots RS-775 Case Short
 

Selling faulty motors is not good business either. But I see your point. I know we will be using that $30 credit just because its free.

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Our team has a no Banebots products policy.
We will not even use the voucher. If every team did this, a message would be sent about customer service and fair business practices.

Re: Banebots RS-775 Case Short
 

Putting the 775's aside (as we are this year) you can still use:
4-550s
4 AndyMark Motors
2 FP (from a selection of 4, many of which teams have spares from prior years)
4 Cims
4 Windows
+ vex & Densos
1 Compressor

No team should have trouble finding enough (reliable) power for their drivetrain & mechanisms from the above selection.

Re: Banebots RS-775 Case Short
 

To be completely fair, their cost for those motors is clearly less than the retail price. Also, they can be reasonably certain that many teams will not participate in the voucher program, and that they will recoup a portion of their costs because they're in a monopoly position (because they don't disclose their supplier, which effectively limits our ability to get these motors on the open market, potentially at a better price).

I'd have a hard time believing that they do not turn a profit as a result of the FRC season. Contrast that to many of the other KOP suppliers, like Fisher-Price, which are only grudgingly in the business of selling parts to the public at all.

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AndyMark is out of the FP-673's [am-0821]. Because it's also a FIRST Choice item, are they not going to be restocked? If not, the 550's might be the only other option for a >200W lightweight motor on the shooters. I'd love to join a Banebots boycott on principle but unless AM gets more FP's in, we won't really have a choice.

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They gave me $30. I gave them almost $500 in return, and I'm not even comfortable with my quantity of spares at that dollar amount. If anyone else is buying like I am, I'd assume BaneBots is doing just fine.

Other than order processing slower than molasses in an Alaskan winter, I haven't had a problem with them yet. I'm giving them another shot, since there really is no other competitor in their niche market.

Re: Banebots RS-775 Case Short
 

Straight from AM's website:
http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-0821.htm

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We are a bit confused by the constant stream of BaneBots bashing on this forum. We understand that some people have concerns with the RS-775 so let me give a bit from our perspective.

We sold the RS-775 18V motor for 3 years prior to introducing it to FIRST last year with no problems and believed it to be a robust and reliable product. As a result of experiences by FIRST teams last year, we have been testing every RS-775 prior to shipping. We have had conversations with only one customer concerning manufacturing defects with an RS-775 purchased this year and replacements were sent out the same day.

Given the number of RS-775 motors shipped since implementing the 100% testing practice and the very low reported number of problems we believed our testing adequate. It should be noted that no attempt is made to fix any motor that fails testing - failures are removed from product inventory and isolated where they can not be accidentally mixed in with tested product. It would appear from posts in this thread that we may need to review parts of this process. We would ask for a bit of help from teams that have made posts about recent failures with RS-775s. We are particularly interested in posts by the following teams:

Team 1114 (post 224)
Team 1323 (post 231)

as both reported 100% failure on motors recently received and we have had no contact from them. Can someone from each of these two teams please post or send us your order number for the order you received these in and a detailed description of how you conducted your tests. Your order number will let us track to a particular lot of motors and your testing procedure may help us to enhance ours. We thank you in advance for your prompt response to this request.

As for some of the other stuff in this thread and on this forum in general, I'm not sure what to think. At a minimum it makes me question our continued support of FIRST. I'd ask that folks step back and read some of what is being posted from an objective view point and consider what kind of impression it leaves not only on BaneBots but on this forum and FIRST.

Re: Banebots RS-775 Case Short
 

we have been quite satisfied with banebots this year, all the 775s we ordered work perfectly as do the gearboxes, we were also very satisfied with the shipping time we ordered and within a week or so had the order in time. from our teams opinion banebots has been doing an infinitely better job as compared to last years problems.

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We're for sure using our 550's for our bot, not matter what. While we personally haven't had any 775 problems, we decided to put off our orders for now. Along with that, we don't really need a 775 motor on our bot at the moment; The 550's work great for what we need!

Re: Banebots RS-775 Case Short
 

Order #7163022

All motors showed a small resistance (less than 2 ohms) between the terminals and the case. This is the same symptom we saw from our motors last year. Our order numbers from last year were: 7151274, 7150067 and 7145378.