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Bjenks548 20-02-2011 12:30

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Are there any videos of these Scrimmages. 6 weeks of waiting to see a full match played, I don't really want to wait another 2. Also what were the average scores?

Vikesrock 20-02-2011 12:40

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Originally Posted by MarcD79 (Post 1027415)
As the rules state, the tube is measured at the smallest section & can be between 7-8 inches. We had the official "C" shaped template that slid over the tube as you inflate them. When the tube was inflated to make contact with the template, the inflation was completed. If the corners (triangle tube) appeared to be larger than the sides, that was considered acceptable.

That makes things even more interesting. Perhaps it is the FIRST spec that needs to change then.

I have no problem with the size of the tubes being different than what teams have been working with, the specs have been there the whole time. I do have a problem with tubes not fitting through the slots, that just doesn't make any sense.

cdechant9 20-02-2011 13:14

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At the team San Diego pre-ship expo, we noticed it was nearly impossible to place over inflated tubes over uber tubes.

Over inflated tubes were ever easily knocked off.

Andy A. 20-02-2011 16:49

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Originally Posted by Bjenks548 (Post 1027421)
Are there any videos of these Scrimmages. 6 weeks of waiting to see a full match played, I don't really want to wait another 2. Also what were the average scores?

I have some videos of the matches played in New Hampshire. I still need to edit and upload. The camera I set up ended up getting mistakenly panned over at some point, so many matches only have one side of the field in frame. Better then nothing.

I'll post links when they're up.

Edit: here is the link for a few match videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2hk6SWQfRw

Tetraman 20-02-2011 17:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MarcD79 (Post 1027415)
As the rules state, the tube is measured at the smallest section & can be between 7-8 inches. We had the official "C" shaped template that slid over the tube as you inflate them. When the tube was inflated to make contact with the template, the inflation was completed. If the corners (triangle tube) appeared to be larger than the sides, that was considered acceptable.

If I remember correctly, 2007 had a similar object, but it was pressure that was required so we barely used it.

I figure field reset will be told to inflate the tubes somewhere between the 7-8 inch thickness, or until the tubes are inflated to their shape and firm to the touch.

davidthefat 20-02-2011 20:46

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At Harvey Mudd:
I learned that my original design would have been very successful. Most teams could only do about one or two tubes per match. Might be because of the lack of power houses.

edit: I also learned that college has GREAT food... Just on the pricer side.

plnyyanks 20-02-2011 21:03

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we learned the hard way about the importance of having a digital sidecar free of metal shavings

GCentola 20-02-2011 23:54

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Our team found that there is no rule for human interaction preventing the inflation or deflation of tubes. If a logo piece is overninflated and cannot fit, can it be deflated slightly by the feeder?

MrForbes 21-02-2011 00:02

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I love this place!

:D

Peter Matteson 21-02-2011 11:04

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Originally Posted by plnyyanks (Post 1027861)
we learned the hard way about the importance of having a digital sidecar free of metal shavings

We learned that at the Championship last year during the qual matches...

MaxMax161 21-02-2011 12:33

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Did anyone's gripper, grabber, rollers ect get mangled during any of these matches? What about elevators?

PaW 21-02-2011 12:57

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Originally Posted by MaxMax161 (Post 1028350)
Did anyone's gripper, grabber, rollers ect get mangled during any of these matches? What about elevators?

Not quite what you're asking ... but

At Skunkworks Practice Field (FRC 1983), I did see an elevator system almost "take out" the lowest peg. The horizontal crossbar of their mechanism, on the way down, slightly whacked the top of the lowest peg before the driver noticed. The driver re-elevated, backed up, then lowered their mechanism.

AcesJames 21-02-2011 13:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxMax161 (Post 1028350)
Did anyone's gripper, grabber, rollers ect get mangled during any of these matches? What about elevators?

176's gripper mechanism got whacked sideways as 88 was driving past us yesterday @ Suffield. It was purely accidental, as our operator should have folded our gripper inside the frame, but couldn't because of CAN errors.

Long story short, our bottom half of the gripper twisted sideways, and had to be unbent quite a bit before it could be used again.

We're lucky that the strike didn't effect the rest of the wrist, which in turn would have twisted our wrist gearbox, and probably pushed it off the linear slider on our elevator, making a huge, time consuming mess.

nikeairmancurry 21-02-2011 13:15

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Originally Posted by PaW (Post 1028369)
Not quite what you're asking ... but

At Skunkworks Practice Field (FRC 1983), I did see an elevator system almost "take out" the lowest peg. The horizontal crossbar of their mechanism, on the way down, slightly whacked the top of the lowest peg before the driver noticed. The driver re-elevated, backed up, then lowered their mechanism.

What they are asking is did and endefectors or claws get destroyed in the heat of battle... Many teams were afraid to floor load because of the idea of it getting destroyed... From the matches I saw.. No... But a minibot took quite a beating

Michael Corsetto 21-02-2011 13:52

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Wow, Human Players really do NOT know how to throw these tubes...

At both the Fembots and Poof/Space Cookies practice days, our HP was able throw tubes to our side of the field, sometimes all the way to the ZONE with a good roll. I wish our HP could take the other one's tubes...

A well made/positioned rolly grabber can pick up tubes no problem. We pick up tubes without a hitch. So much faster than driving cross field!


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