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Brandon Holley 23-02-2011 11:03

Re: Under 1 sec mini bot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 1029830)
I am confident we will see a minibot get to the top in less than 1.4 seconds. Yes, 1.4 seconds including deployment.

I will bet a Mountain Dew on it. Any takers?

I fully agree with you Paul. We will see sub 1.4 including deployment, and it will be awesome!

-Brando

Chris is me 23-02-2011 11:03

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Originally Posted by Craig Roys (Post 1029935)
That's a sucker bet...I'm guessing that Paul has a very good reason to believe that 1.4 sec is obtainable. Say, oh...I don't know, maybe he's seen his own robot do it???

I'd happily trade a Mountain Dew to see that! :)

KeatonM 23-02-2011 11:26

Re: Under 1 sec mini bot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 1029830)
I am confident we will see a minibot get to the top in less than 1.4 seconds. Yes, 1.4 seconds including deployment.

I will bet a Mountain Dew on it. Any takers?

I'll see your Mountain Dew, and raise you a Cherry Pepsi.

I think there will be several teams capable of doing this.

Greg Young 24-02-2011 11:57

Re: Under 1 sec mini bot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 1029830)
I am confident we will see a minibot get to the top in less than 1.4 seconds. Yes, 1.4 seconds including deployment.

I will bet a Mountain Dew on it. Any takers?

But will it count? From the Q&A:
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1) There is no synchronization between the timer on the field and the robot code. The FMS-to-DS control packets do not include match time. While a team could start their own timer running on the robot when they receive the indication for Teleop start, there is no guarantee that their timer will be synced with the FMS server.

2) Deployment time will be judged based on observations in each MATCH, not on ROBOT design or programming.
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It sounds like there will be a ref watching your minibot to ensure that you don't deploy before the 10 second mark. If you wait for a field signal to start deployment you will have a reaction time in that 1.4 seconds. If you try to anticipate you run the risk of getting called for early deployment. If you depend on elapsed time you will need to build in some delay so the ref can be sure you weren't early.

I wouldn't want to be a ref this year. There are too many game deciding calls to be made.

BJC 24-02-2011 18:05

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I believe that a sub 1 second mini bot deployment and climb is possible and will be seen. I'll not say why.

BuzzMathias175 24-02-2011 18:33

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Playing a role in the developement on buzz's mini-bot i must say that deployment is by far the hardest part, but yet the most important, if you think about it the mini-bot actually has a 20 sec time period to climb the pole in, 10 secs at the end of regulation match then 10 secs beyond that.

The versatility of a deployment mechanism is what will make or break the mini-bot, it may climb it in one second however if it's not at the pole it isn't going anywhere. Reliability will be a key factor.

A 1 sec mini-bot will be done is my guess.

Fred Sayre 24-02-2011 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Young (Post 1030641)
But will it count? From the Q&A:
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1) There is no synchronization between the timer on the field and the robot code. The FMS-to-DS control packets do not include match time. While a team could start their own timer running on the robot when they receive the indication for Teleop start, there is no guarantee that their timer will be synced with the FMS server.

2) Deployment time will be judged based on observations in each MATCH, not on ROBOT design or programming.
--------------------------

It sounds like there will be a ref watching your minibot to ensure that you don't deploy before the 10 second mark. If you wait for a field signal to start deployment you will have a reaction time in that 1.4 seconds. If you try to anticipate you run the risk of getting called for early deployment. If you depend on elapsed time you will need to build in some delay so the ref can be sure you weren't early.

I wouldn't want to be a ref this year. There are too many game deciding calls to be made.

There is no time sync, but there is a indicator that your machine can pay attention to. Use the lights at the base of the tower. The robot's reaction speed can quite possibly be faster than a driver's reflexes.

V_Chip 24-02-2011 19:06

Re: Under 1 sec mini bot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BuzzMathias175 (Post 1030854)
Playing a role in the developement on buzz's mini-bot i must say that deployment is by far the hardest part, but yet the most important, if you think about it the mini-bot actually has a 20 sec time period to climb the pole in, 10 secs at the end of regulation match then 10 secs beyond that.

The versability of a deployment mechanism is what will make or break the mini-bot, it may climb it in one second however if it's not at the pole it isn't going anywhere. Reliability will be a key factor.

A 1 sec mini-bot will be done is my guess.

Agreed.

The deployment is the key to having a successful minibot. After many posts and speculation, I'm still undecided on whether or not we'll see one. . . until championships. It'll take some refining and a hard study on balance but it is hypothetically obtainable (if not already).

DonRotolo 24-02-2011 19:28

Re: Under 1 sec mini bot
 
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Originally Posted by WizenedEE (Post 1029704)
Driving into the tower can still take time. Lining up is also an issue.

Why not drive, line up and contact the tower before 10 seconds? Only the minibot can't cross the line before endgame, the hostbot has no such restriction.
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Originally Posted by Jeffy (Post 1029720)
As per the deployment, it can be done quick, say .25-.5 seconds.

I've seen it in 1/5 that time. maxmax161 even posted a video of it.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli (Post 1029830)
I will bet a Mountain Dew on it. Any takers?

Not from me :yikes:

nuggetsyl 24-02-2011 20:39

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Hey don i know i should know the answer to this but i don't. I am being told you cant not break the plain of the barrel even with the large robot.

Grim Tuesday 24-02-2011 20:59

Re: Under 1 sec mini bot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BJC (Post 1030839)
I believe that a sub 1 second mini bot deployment and climb is possible and will be seen. I'll not say why.

How has no-one noticed this blatant hint?

JaneYoung 24-02-2011 21:01

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Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1030942)
How has no-one noticed this blatant hint?

Because at this point, it doesn't matter.
If they show what their minibot can do now or they wait until their competition - the minibot will either do it or it won't.

Teasers are tiring.

Jane

JB987 24-02-2011 21:08

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Originally Posted by nuggetsyl (Post 1030924)
Hey don i know i should know the answer to this but i don't. I am being told you cant not break the plain of the barrel even with the large robot.

Shawn,

Your hostbot may cross the vertical plane of your alliance tower base any time leading up to and including the endgame...your hostbot can even touch the pole per G43...Robots and minibots may push or react against any elements of the arena provided there is no damage or disruption of the arena elements. With the exception of the tower during the endgame and while deploying a minibot, robots may not grab, grasp, grapple or attach to any arena structure".
Hope this helps!

nuggetsyl 24-02-2011 21:14

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thanks

davidthefat 24-02-2011 21:15

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Now, if a team had a minibot that was an "arrow"... I see a sub .5 sec bot


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