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Alex Cormier 23-02-2011 01:32
Bag and Tag issues?
 
With the ship date and time here, many teams need to bag and tag while others need to crate them up.

I am wondering how many teams put the robot away with the bumpers on?

My prior experiences with bag and tag last year, showed that robots with bumpers still on them had a problem going through normal sized doors.

It's heart breaking to see a well engineered robot not be allowed into the event to compete because of the bumpers being on.


Good Luck this year!

See you soon at FLR.

MrForbes 23-02-2011 01:34
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
We got ours thru the normal sized door in the storage room. But then we make the robot two inches below max size every year....

pfreivald 23-02-2011 01:35
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
Our bumpers are on the robot, but not mounted to the frame... Does that count?

hydrocannon 23-02-2011 12:23
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
we have are bumpers on but we havent completed the blue set yet

Hallry 23-02-2011 12:36
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
Our bumpers aren't in the bag, but next to it in our storage crate. Both sets of them are completed. :D

Grim Tuesday 23-02-2011 17:54
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1030006)
Our bumpers aren't in the bag, but next to it in our storage crate. Both sets of them are completed. :D
I hope you know that bumpers are counted in the withholding allowance...


And also, only our front bumpers are on, so we can go through a door!

MagiChau 23-02-2011 18:17
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
We have our bumpers on, just so our robot looks complete until we use up part of our 6 hours to work before Traverse City.

kgzak 23-02-2011 23:03
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
Our robot has bumpers on and we can get through the a normal sized door.

BrendanB 23-02-2011 23:09
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Cormier (Post 1029768)
With the ship date and time here, many teams need to bag and tag while others need to crate them up.

I am wondering how many teams put the robot away with the bumpers on?

My prior experiences with bag and tag last year, showed that robots with bumpers still on them had a problem going through normal sized doors.

It's heart breaking to see a well engineered robot not be allowed into the event to compete because of the bumpers being on.


Good Luck this year!

See you soon at FLR.
Was there a prior situation we should know about?

Chris is me 23-02-2011 23:19
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1030006)
Our bumpers aren't in the bag, but next to it in our storage crate. Both sets of them are completed. :D
Those bumpers now count against your witholding allowance.

Hallry 23-02-2011 23:27
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1030405)
Those bumpers now count against your witholding allowance.
They are only in there (the crate in our shop) for now as means of storage, they are not in the bag itself.

pfreivald 23-02-2011 23:28
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1030409)
They are only in there (the crate in our shop) for now as means of storage, they are not in the bag itself.
Right -- which means that they now count against your withholding allowance. If they were in the bag, they would not.

ttakashima 23-02-2011 23:37
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
Could someone please show me this rule. As it states the withholding allowance is for robot subsystems etc. Where as the bumper rules state only parts permanently attached to the robot are considered as part of the robot and not the bumper. I can't find or have missed the rule where you must ship your bumpers. Or a rule stating that bumpers are considered part of your robot.

pfreivald 23-02-2011 23:40
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ttakashima (Post 1030418)
Could someone please show me this rule.
http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=17043

We're not trying to trick you, man.

MrForbes 23-02-2011 23:45
Re: Bag and Tag issues?
 
Quote:
WITHHOLDING ALLOWANCE – a limited amount of FABRICATED ITEMS that are withheld from the shipping requirements (specified in the 2011 FRC Administrative Manual, Section 5) and retained by the team following the shipping deadlines. These items are then hand-carried to a competition event by the team. The OPERATOR CONSOLE is automatically included in the WITHHOLDING ALLOWANCE. Beyond that, the incoming material maximums specified in Rule <R33> limits the amount of FABRICATED ITEMS included in the WITHHOLDING ALLOWANCE.
Does not mention bumpers.

<R11> does mention that bumpers are not included when determining the size and weight of the robot--but it does not say they are not counted against the WITHHOLDING ALLOWANCE.

Quote:
For the purposes of determining compliance with the weight and volume limitations, the items listed below are NOT considered part of the ROBOT and are NOT included in the weight and volume assessment:
...
B. BUMPER assemblies (including BUMPER covers, if appropriate) that are in
compliance with Rules <R07> and <R08>,
...


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