Re: How Will Logomotion Play Out and Develop?
 

...and if, in that time, the defensive robot has scored nothing, the offensive robot that has a good minibot deployment will still win.

My half of what it could be vs. your nothing benefits me every time.

I'm not saying that defense doesn't matter -- it most certainly does -- but I would rather see three offensive robots than two offense and one defense on my alliance, and either on of those is preferable to two defense and one offense.

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Who says that said defensive robot doesnt have a better minibot? And because it was built to be defensive, it is able to power through your defense on it's way to the tower.

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It actually does not need to, since the defensive bot would be on the side with their designated towers the whole game.

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We already have ideas of alliances. They know the rules.

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I think that MINIBOT is orthogonal to offense/defense.

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If your alliance's minibots are better than the opposing alliances's minbots, then it is advantageous for your alliance to have a lower scoring game that includes defense.

Orthogonally is not in play for that case.

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...and that's a big 'if'. MINIBOTs are, like everything else, subjective to the vagaries of the alliances.

If your minibots are better than your opponents' minibots, then depressing the score of the game only matters insofar as your opponents' tube scoring is better than your tube scoring...

...so if you are concentrating on keeping their score down, you are not concentrating on increasing your own score.

Defense, thus, is a winning strategy only for alliances that are outclassed offensively but also have strong minibots...

...but I have a hard time believing that teams that focused on 'defense + minibots' will categorically have better minibots than teams that focused on 'offense + minibots'.

Re: How Will Logomotion Play Out and Develop?
 

One thing: If there's a dragonfly ( :eek: ) then the pivoting arm would be able to get a tube over it, while an elevator would not.

Re: How Will Logomotion Play Out and Develop?
 

I have not heard anyone that is arguing for including defense that is also advocating that the strategy should be all defense plus minibots. Those here advocating including defense are typically proposing two-thirds LOGO offensive strategy versus a three-thirds LOGO offensive strategy.

The definition of orthogonality is that it should not have any influence on the strategy independent of the cases or circumstances. I pointed to a realistic case, even if it were unlikely, it still disproves the claimed orthogonality.
Conversely, if an alliance knows they have a disadvantage in minibots, then they want higher LOGO scoring and may want a third robot focused on offense to try and maximize the score prior to END GAME.

The LOGO scoring will be highly variable: on the other hand, I suspect the full 75 minibot points will generally be scored in the finals and semifinals.

For LOGO scoring, the top row will likely be the only one that matters- Great offensive teams will go for 48-54 points based on 2 or 3 ubertubes and 2 complete logos. Getting that third and fourth complete logos are only 12 points each.

Re: How Will Logomotion Play Out and Develop?
 

I don't think that prognostication and proof have a place in the same discussion. I understand the point you are making, but I disagree with it.

Time will tell -- of that we can both be certain.

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That's what our robot does!

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Don't assume that. A dragonfly robot would not be a problem for us (elevator robot) if we were to employ a runner strategy; our roller claw can "spit out" tubes four to six feet.

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Just don't complain when that defender engages your robot with your CG that high.

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I think this strategy is going to be quite dominant at regionals. A lot of teams can score if they're left alone, but surprisingly few will be able to pass tubes around defenders.

We're looking for teams like that when scouting at WPI. Just saying. :)

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I think that everyone is forgetting that defense may not need to be employed until the ENDGAME. unless you are preventing a bot from scoring the last tube to a LOGO, you are wasting your time (assuming that you have all of your logos complete). I think that the dominant strategy will be running until the endgame and you prevent another team from putting their minibot onto the tower, thus denying them their potential thirty/twenty point bonus. And as for choosing alliances, we are looking for a good runner and a good, consistent scorer both with CONSISTENT minibots (both must be well versed in the rules).