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Yes. There is an issue with including elims. The second alliance pick. As an example, 303 was a good enough scorer, but we (1676/2016/303) used them as a defender and they jumped from off the list to 10th on the list due to the alliance score in elims. Not really in the spirit of what you are trying to accomplish with this list.
There is value in what you are doing with this data. Thank you for sharing. I am not the kind of guy to do the full research on 25+ teams to submit a fully proper entry, but using your analysis as a starting point I may feel confident enough to submit an entry. Maybe after I see data for week 2 as well.

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Well, I only saw the eliminations at Kettering...

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Exactly :).

Its just nice to see the evidence that elim rounds should not be used when evaluating teams stats as they are not a reflection of the team but the alliance. Also once I start calculating a teams contribution in each match, the best teams will really rise to the top, more so than they already have.

Again I only view my #1 pick as a ranked pick. Simply because 217 killed it in week 1, I can comfortably say they were the best. Everyone else should be looked at as a top 25 team, but not as #6 or #9...

It will be interesting to see how teams' second regionals go. I'm personally looking out for team 40 and 33, as they are the only teams i know of going for the double autonomous, with a reasonable chance of doing it.

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I think using purely statistics to rank teams is kind of defeating the whole purpose of the website and polling. Just saying...

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Actually I agree...
But I am only one person, and I know people's opinions of robots will obviously rise to the top. I think numbers are a good place to start, and then based on that people should actually watch match videos and such. Unfortunately right now, most people can only vote based off the one or 2 regionals they watched in week 1. I'm simply trying to provide a basis for powerhouses that should be looked at :).

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I think there is value in the elims data to see what a good team can really do when put with other good teams, but not for the round 2 picks if that is possible. There was inflation, but also compression of the spread. That shows that the separation of the better teams might not be so much when playing at higher levels and team play is key.

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Unfortunately, for me there's no easy way to do this. As a twitter post comes in, I update a running sum for a given team. Unfortunately the alliance selection is not posted to twitter. Maybe something they could add to the twitter feed next year. I'm still trying to get autonomous added to it too.

If they ordered the teams on the twitter feed based on alliance selections, then I could do this, however that is not the case this year.

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There are two other teams that pulled of a double autonomous... 326 and 148... and I wouldn't be surpised to see 1114, 111, 330 or 254 having one either..

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Awesome! Yeah I don't think the limit factor on a double autonomous is programming, its actually fairly simple to code it up given the right sensors.

The limiting factor is having a very well designed robot. This is why I've always shot for the design requirement "Design for autonomous"... because if it can meet the goals of autonomous, its probably simple enough for the drivers to use quite well.

It's awesome to hear that so many of top 25 teams are getting there based on focusing on building great tube hangers, rather than great minibots. Also it seems teams who chose not to pick up from the field (my team included) made a huge mistake. Is anyone aware of a top 25 team that can't pick up off the floor?

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From the week one regionals, if you couldn't pick up from the floor you were probably a runner and a late third pick during selection... Plus with so many tubes on the ground, I don't see you wouldn't... If I was on your team, I would consider changing to one if possible...

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From what I saw, HYPER 69 was unable to pick up from the floor or preferred to obtain tubes from the feeder station.

Buzz Robotics 175 is able to pick up from the floor but prefers to be fed as well. We did not use the "flipper" at all during the competition.

We found it more effective to keep the floor clear of tubes in order to negate the opposing alliance from stealing the tubes we threw out.

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Yeah, our seasons over. Honestly one of our many poor design decisions. We live and learn. For me it was a great year to test my autonomous structure and made a lot of forward progress. I also now have a long list of requirements for my code structure.

Now its time for me to work on my ranking algorithm, its okay but could be a lot better :)

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yeah I'm thinking this was a big difference between BAE and the other competitions. Unfortunately i think the teams were weaker at BAE this year than some of the other regionals. Also the BAE strategy seemed a lot different from the other locations too.

Just for example, the best BAE teams averaged around 60, where as 217 averaged 85 points per qualifying match and 2056 almost 80. Come the championship, if you want to play with the big boys, you'll have to be able to pick up off the floor, and have autonomous too.

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Your season is never over... I would continue to improve that robot and teach those on your team... Learning is what comes of a regional, plus it doesnt hurt to have something working for an offseason event... Use that robot as a great tool for the 2012 season...

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The average may have differed greatly but there are different ways this data may be perceived. It could mean that the teams were "weaker" or that they were better balanced with respect to one another.

Like you stated, the strategies at the regionals varied and the presence of tubes from both alliances in a central location compared to that of playing conservatively will result in different results.

There is a thread about the highest score that refers to 148 and their partners scoring 135, but the opposing alliance with only a mere 8. Compare that to the first finals match at GSR with 117 over 82 and you see more of a balance. What were some of the finals scores at FLR,Alamo, NJ, and Kettering? I'd like to see some of the results.