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nikeairmancurry 07-04-2011 22:32

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjenks548 (Post 1050620)
One problem I am noticing for strategy is the robots are too good. Its very difficult to score with all three robots scoring, and the robots are good enough that all of them should be. Its bad telling a robot I just saw score 4 tubes on the top row that there going to have to play defense/ feeder this match.

I don't think so.. In the 109-106.. All 6 robots were scoring easily... Its all about knowing where your putting the tube... And you can easily stay out of others way...

JB987 07-04-2011 22:48

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Whatever happened to "tube starvation" strategies?

Alex Dinsmoor 07-04-2011 22:53

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 1050632)
Whatever happened to "tube starvation" strategies?

We still see some starvation strategies, but for the most part we are seeing a flood.

As the matches get more important, we will see more and more starvation.

Chris Hibner 07-04-2011 22:53

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 1050632)
Whatever happened to "tube starvation" strategies?

The human players are too good. Too many human players that can throw the length of the field.


No one has mentioned it yet, but there was a practice match where the entire rack was filled with logos on the red side, and two red minibots made it up the pole.

nikeairmancurry 07-04-2011 22:55

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hibner (Post 1050635)
The human players are too good. Too many human players that can throw the length of the field.


No one has mentioned it yet, but there was a practice match where the entire rack was filled with logos on the red side, and two red minibots made it up the pole.

There were 4 practice matches with 5 logos

Coach Tom 08-04-2011 09:46

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Is the webcast working? I get to the page of Coderedrobotics but no video or audio? Address?

JABot67 08-04-2011 09:52

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Tom (Post 1050717)
Is the webcast working? I get to the page of Coderedrobotics but no video or audio? Address?

http://www.coderedrobotics.com/webca...-Championship/ works for me!

By the way, Q38 was 134-102. 236 total points!

kgzak 08-04-2011 14:19

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Can anyone post the link to the standings? I am on my dads blackberry and it won't let me get to it through the FIRST websites.

RMiller 08-04-2011 14:24

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kgzak (Post 1050755)
Can anyone post the link to the standings? I am on my dads blackberry and it won't let me get to it through the FIRST websites.

Is this what you want? http://www2.usfirst.org/2011comp/eve.../rankings.html

CassCity2081 08-04-2011 14:24

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Here are the standings http://www2.usfirst.org/2011comp/eve.../rankings.html

Also, is it lunch break or is the webcast down?

musicspeaks 08-04-2011 14:30

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CassCity2081 (Post 1050757)
Here are the standings http://www2.usfirst.org/2011comp/eve.../rankings.html

Also, is it lunch break or is the webcast down?

It was down, but it's back up now :)

Nemo 08-04-2011 16:49

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Very impressive competition at Michigan. Wow.

How does that group of teams compare to the field we'll see in St. Louis? Are we going to see an average winning alliance score approaching 100 there?

rsisk 08-04-2011 19:35

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Kudos to all the Michigan teams, what an awesome day of competition. I had the webcast up against a couple other regionals and there was no comparison. It was like watching Einstein compared to a Week 1 regional. Wow!

nikeairmancurry 08-04-2011 19:47

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
I love watching matches were a group of teams can score 100 points and lose... It's so much fun to watch this... Did I mention the 6 tube auton???!!!

548swimmer 08-04-2011 20:36

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry (Post 1050818)
I love watching matches were a group of teams can score 100 points and lose... It's so much fun to watch this... Did I mention the 6 tube auton???!!!

We had one! And MSC is a truly amazing competition, and I'm looking forward to elims tomorrow!

nikeairmancurry 08-04-2011 20:56

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
All matches to this point are online, thanks to 2337!

http://www.youtube.com/user/FIRSTinMichigan

kwotremb 08-04-2011 22:11

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
These matches are a blast to watch. When you see a team score over 100 and lose in multiple qualification matches, you know there are some high quality teams there. Glad I went in to support my team rather than head into work. Cant wait to watch the elimination matches. There should be at least one match then with all 6 ubertubes and all 4 minibots. Good luck to all the teams that make it to eliminations. Curious to see how everything will work out with the semi and finals being recorded. Definitely going to DVR that next weekend.

Does anyone else think we might see an entire side of the field covered with logos? I think the most was 5 of the 6 logos made during one match which was ridiculous.

FoleyParent 09-04-2011 00:20

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
It seemed like the scores were running really high at the MSC. This made wonder what the average alliance score was. So I quickly averaged the red alliance and blue alliance scores from the match results. They currently are 75.8 and 79.9, respectively!!! This doesn't even include the elimination results. I wonder how that compares to other regionals running this same weekend?

Travis Hoffman 09-04-2011 01:00

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FoleyParent (Post 1050872)
It seemed like the scores were running really high at the MSC. This made wonder what the average alliance score was. So I quickly averaged the red alliance and blue alliance scores from the match results. They currently are 75.8 and 79.9, respectively!!! This doesn't even include the elimination results. I wonder how that compares to other regionals running this same weekend?

Considering the MSC is comprised of teams who've had to earn their way there via a qualifying process vs. Week 6 regionals (or any other regionals) where anything goes, trying to compare them is rather irrelevant.

Naturally, OPR's reflect the "filtered" nature of the MSC:

Code:

0      OPR    217    63.1971
1      OPR    2054    54.3076
2      OPR    3539    51.9337
3      OPR    469    51.4599
4      OPR    548    46.708
5      OPR    27      45.4467
6      OPR    2137    42.8841
7      OPR    33      42.7585
8      OPR    2337    42.5653
9      OPR    1023    42.492
10      OPR    245    41.9155
11      OPR    67      41.8466
12      OPR    74      41.7564
13      OPR    2000    37.6843
14      OPR    1918    37.6422
15      OPR    494    37.0665
16      OPR    68      36.9266
17      OPR    1250    36.1123
18      OPR    573    35.3035
19      OPR    1718    35.2787
20      OPR    201    34.3753
21      OPR    51      32.1326
22      OPR    302    31.4854
23      OPR    3547    31.3266
24      OPR    326    31.0389
25      OPR    2145    29.8776
26      OPR    70      29.6905
27      OPR    3098    28.276
28      OPR    910    27.9009
29      OPR    308    26.945
30      OPR    3234    24.4481
31      OPR    2612    24.1668
32      OPR    1528    23.906
33      OPR    280    22.7003
34      OPR    1684    20.9915
35      OPR    226    20.7288
36      OPR    85      20.3404
37      OPR    2959    17.1181
38      OPR    2832    16.5081
39      OPR    3542    16.3976
40      OPR    3536    15.9605
41      OPR    2834    15.8259
42      OPR    2619    15.7058
43      OPR    2767    15.6863
44      OPR    1243    15.6028
45      OPR    3535    15.1242
46      OPR    1      15.091
47      OPR    2474    14.8213
48      OPR    2246    14.6719
49      OPR    66      14.5963
50      OPR    1941    13.7935
51      OPR    2586    13.6906
52      OPR    1504    13.588
53      OPR    830    12.5419
54      OPR    3548    11.0763
55      OPR    141    10.9416
56      OPR    503    9.56611
57      OPR    3620    9.46045
58      OPR    3688    9.36553
59      OPR    1596    9.30376
60      OPR    247    8.34541
61      OPR    1322    6.8221
62      OPR    818    2.41628
63      OPR    2604    -0.676305


eyu100 09-04-2011 10:37

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

2 OPR 3539 51.9337
Wow, they are really good! Even better than 1718...

ScottM 09-04-2011 12:23

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Gotta love 201's acceptance speech :)

SavtaKenneth 09-04-2011 13:35

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottM (Post 1050912)
Gotta love 201's acceptance speech :)

Could you elaborate for those of us who missed it?

eyu100 09-04-2011 13:36

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
It was one word - "yes."

CalTran 09-04-2011 15:23

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
The major upset of Michigan State Championships:
#FRCGL TY E MC 9 RF 91 BF 122 RE 469 201 217 BL 3098 74 548 RB 15 BB 50 RP 0 BP 0

The #1 Alliance gets knocked out by the #8 Alliance

flippy147852 09-04-2011 15:38

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1050925)

The #1 Alliance gets knocked out by the #8 Alliance

Only in Michigan... ;)

JB987 09-04-2011 20:16

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flippy147852 (Post 1050927)
Only in Michigan... ;)

And 2007 Championship:D :D

548swimmer 09-04-2011 20:42

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1050925)
The major upset of Michigan State Championships:
#FRCGL TY E MC 9 RF 91 BF 122 RE 469 201 217 BL 3098 74 548 RB 15 BB 50 RP 0 BP 0

The #1 Alliance gets knocked out by the #8 Alliance

We try to do our best to mix things up :).

Thanks to 74 and the 3098, we couldn't have done it without you!

MagiChau 09-04-2011 20:54

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Anyone mind telling me who won the Autodesk Animation peer vote? We had to leave early.

Vikesrock 09-04-2011 20:59

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MagiChau (Post 1051010)
Anyone mind telling me who won the Autodesk Animation peer vote? We had to leave early.

3547 won the Autodesk award.

MagiChau 09-04-2011 21:30

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikesrock (Post 1051013)
3547 won the Autodesk award.

I meant the animation contest about changing the world of the iikos, not the excellence in design. Sorry about that miscommunication.

Vikesrock 09-04-2011 21:51

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MagiChau (Post 1051026)
I meant the animation contest about changing the world of the iikos, not the excellence in design. Sorry about that miscommunication.

That animation contest about changing the world of the iikos is the Autodesk Excellence in Design Award

MagiChau 09-04-2011 22:01

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikesrock (Post 1051034)
That animation contest about changing the world of the iikos is the Autodesk Excellence in Design Award

okay then, sorry about that.

TEE 09-04-2011 22:05

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1050925)

The #1 Alliance gets knocked out by the #8 Alliance

This competition was not good to us... just check our qualification match schedule. Oh, and we're only 1 team away from qualifying for nationals -__-

Gaurav27 10-04-2011 00:10

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
This is probably the first time, I've been inspired just by looking at numbers, truly "strength in numbers."

woody 10-04-2011 02:04

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 1050998)
And 2007 Championship:D :D

Just had to remind me, didn't you? : )

Tom Line 10-04-2011 09:30

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eyu100 (Post 1050901)
Wow, they are really good! Even better than 1718...

We're very very proud of 3539's performance. They were chosen for the eliminations, and made it to nationals based on points!

(For those who didn't know, very few teams are eligible for the nationals from Michigan based on their points: I believe it's something like 12).

Now they're desperately scrambling to put together the funding. Go BULLDOGS!

For a hint of how hard it is to get in from Michigan, 3539 won a district (Waterford), were the finalists at Troy, won 2 Rookie allstar awards.... and was the LAST robot to make it to nationals in Michigan based on points.

IKE 10-04-2011 09:31

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
What a wonderful event. The actions was absolutely unbelieveable. This Link really says it all:
http://www2.usfirst.org/2011comp/eve.../rankings.html
With an average RS of 60.3 points!!!!!!! That means the average "losing" score was over 60 points before penalties.
I was in the TV truck a good deal of the weekend, and the footage should be amazing.
Thank you to all 64 teams for putting on a great show. It was truly a sight to behold.
Eliminations were as to be expected... Complete wild cards. 2 weeks ago I looked at the stats and saw that there would likely be 7 alliances capable of 100+ points. Then a couple more teams stepped up, and there were 8 alliances that really could have taken it yesterday. There were only 2 pairings that only went to 2. The QF were so exciting. 3/4 going to 3 matches. Semis were amazing as well. Then the finals really could have gone either way.

Bjenks548 10-04-2011 09:36

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Are videos posted anywhere of all the matches? Also thanks to 74 and again to 3098. Congrates to 33, 67, and 70 (just realized all 2 digit teams).

Ether 10-04-2011 09:39

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjenks548 (Post 1051179)
Are videos posted anywhere of all the matches?

http://www.youtube.com/user/FIRSTinMichigan




Jim Zondag 10-04-2011 10:03

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IKE (Post 1051177)
Then the finals really could have gone either way.

Amazing event! That was the most competitive action I have ever seen in 15 years of FIRST. It was a real Championship. All 8 Alliances were stacked. Giant scores, major strategy, serious fun.

The HOT team lived up to their long standing reputation of being the best team in the world. Adam, Jim, it was great finally playing with you guys, after 12 years of playing against each other. You have a great team, great strategy, and a great robot. You are an inspiration to us.

More Martians were a steal. I could not believe that your team was still available at the 15th pick. Great job with the defense, tube delivery and minibot. You were the key to our victory. Excellent grace under pressure doing a Crio swap in 5 minutes in the Semifinals.

IKE is right, the finals could have gone either way. ONE POINT determined the winner. ONE POINT in 3 matches with totals over 200! Split second finishes on the minibots made the difference. Amazing.

Great Job by RUSH, Adambots, and Bedford Express! Your alliance was great and it was an honor to play against you. I hope at least one of you is in our division in St Louis.

I can't wait to see the ABC program next weekend.

ChristopherSD 10-04-2011 10:06

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TEE (Post 1051045)
This competition was not good to us... just check our qualification match schedule. Oh, and we're only 1 team away from qualifying for nationals -__-

We knew it would be close, but not that close. Our matches were very difficult...

If a backup is needed, at least we're the first to be used.

Congrats to the winners!

AMYO 10-04-2011 10:47

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Wow what a great event... One big official mistake was elimination match 2-1 EngiNERDs clearly won this match but it looks like the refs or the score keepers got it wrong in the mini bot race. 245 did deploy a mini bot, but it finished 2nd!!! 1718 score there's first. The 30 points went Team Rush with 20 going to the EngiNERDs alliance. Finial score 101 - 98 The EngiNERDs alliance went on to win the next match. It should have been over. Competition VS GP you telling me after watching 3 days worth of mini bot racing that anyone would get this wrong? 1718 clearly had a faster mini bot they demonstrated it throughout the event. So sorry for the EngiNERDs alliance 1718 and 326 you guys got robbed. I did not check but I am sure this changed who is qualifying for nationals.

VID: http://www.youtube.com/user/FIRSTinM...33/LTnOYwfay34

Maybe I did not see this correctly it would be nice if we could get some GP out of teams 27 245 1023 lets hear from you guys.

Wayne TenBrink 10-04-2011 11:06

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
I want to explain the TRUE reason that the NC Gears didn't repeat as MSC Champions. It wasn't our robot, our drivers, our strategy, our opponents, or our "other" alliance partner - nothing as rational as that. It was the NC Gears/Martians Curse! Since 2009, the NC Gears have been winners or finalists at every event we attended with a few "curious" exceptions:

- 2009 TC Disrict: No Martians - Finalist
- 2009 Lansing District: With 494 Martians - Semifinalist
- 2009 WM District: No Martians - Winner
- 2009 MSC: No Martians - Finalist
- 2009 Newton: No Martians - Finalist
- 2010 TC Distric: No Martians - Winner
- 2010 WM District: No Martians - Finalist
- 2010 MSC: No Martians - Winner
- 2010 Archimedes: With 70 More Martians - Quarterfinalist
- 2011 TC District: No Martians - Winner
- 2011 WM District: No Martians - Winner
- 2011 MSC: With 494 Martians - Quarterfinalist

Not only that, but 2 of the 3 qualification matches we lost at 2011 MSC were with or against Martians. Yikes!

Oh, well. The NC Gears, Martians, and More Martians all qualified for the Championship. I just hope that we wind up in different divisions!

As you may know, my younger brother Jay is a mentor for the Goodrich Martians (494) & More Martians (70). As kids, we always played well together. As adults, apparently we don't. Maybe our Mother needs to have a few words with us.

But seriously, MSC was a great event. In the five matches we played on Saturday, there was only one where the losers (us) scored less than 100 points! Congratulations to everyone who made it there. Thanks to 494 for selecting us and 3539 for joining our alliance. Congratulations to 33, 67, and 70 on a well deserved victory. Thanks to all who make this event possible!

Don Wright 10-04-2011 12:40

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AMYO (Post 1051196)
Wow what a great event... One big official mistake was elimination match 2-1 EngiNERDs clearly won this match but it looks like the refs or the score keepers got it wrong in the mini bot race. 245 did deploy a mini bot, but it finished 2nd!!! 1718 score there's first. The 30 points went Team Rush with 20 going to the EngiNERDs alliance. Finial score 101 - 98 The EngiNERDs alliance went on to win the next match. It should have been over. Competition VS GP you telling me after watching 3 days worth of mini bot racing that anyone would get this wrong? 1718 clearly had a faster mini bot they demonstrated it throughout the event. So sorry for the EngiNERDs alliance 1718 and 326 you guys got robbed. I did not check but I am sure this changed who is qualifying for nationals.

VID: http://www.youtube.com/user/FIRSTinM...33/LTnOYwfay34

Maybe I did not see this correctly it would be nice if we could get some GP out of teams 27 245 1023 lets hear from you guys.

Actually, I believe I see 27 finishing first, and 1718 finishing second... It was a great and close match.

FYI...accusation and confrontational posts like this and then calling out the teams for GP to post their opinions won't get you very far on CD...

dodar 10-04-2011 12:46

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Ya, 1st = 27 2nd = 1718 3rd = 245

HighLife 10-04-2011 12:57

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AMYO (Post 1051196)
Wow what a great event... One big official mistake was elimination match 2-1 EngiNERDs clearly won this match but it looks like the refs or the score keepers got it wrong in the mini bot race. 245 did deploy a mini bot, but it finished 2nd!!! 1718 score there's first. The 30 points went Team Rush with 20 going to the EngiNERDs alliance. Finial score 101 - 98 The EngiNERDs alliance went on to win the next match. It should have been over. Competition VS GP you telling me after watching 3 days worth of mini bot racing that anyone would get this wrong? 1718 clearly had a faster mini bot they demonstrated it throughout the event. So sorry for the EngiNERDs alliance 1718 and 326 you guys got robbed. I did not check but I am sure this changed who is qualifying for nationals.

VID: http://www.youtube.com/user/FIRSTinM...33/LTnOYwfay34

Maybe I did not see this correctly it would be nice if we could get some GP out of teams 27 245 1023 lets hear from you guys.

If I remember correctly, the ref at that tower ruled that we deployed too early and we did not get points for our minibot. We didn't think it was possible because we have a 10.3~5ish second timer in code, but when teams are deploying their minibots that close to 10 seconds, how can a ref really tell? That being said, I think there could be a points argument for both sides, but that's just competition.

AMYO 10-04-2011 13:04

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
I think 27 tower was disabled that is why I edited my post. It would be GP for the teams to let CD folks and me who had to watch the hole thing on the web cast what went on.

Can't see but the lights show the tower is disabled

dodar 10-04-2011 13:08

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Even though 27's lights didnt trigger they did hit before 1718 and it was 245's pole that was disabled.

Richard Wallace 10-04-2011 13:08

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HighLife (Post 1051247)
..., but when teams are deploying their minibots that close to 10 seconds, how can a ref really tell? That being said, I think there could be a points argument for both sides, but that's just competition.

I recall that match -- was sitting right behind 548, across the aisle from 2337, so I had a good view of the tower. I thought 245's deployment might have been a little early, but it was a close call.

Generally, I thought the MSC refs got nearly all of the close calls right. The endgame moves very quickly, making those calls very tough for the refs.

Andrew Schreiber 10-04-2011 13:09

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AMYO (Post 1051196)
Wow what a great event... One big official mistake was elimination match 2-1 EngiNERDs clearly won this match but it looks like the refs or the score keepers got it wrong in the mini bot race. 245 did deploy a mini bot, but it finished 2nd!!! 1718 score there's first. The 30 points went Team Rush with 20 going to the EngiNERDs alliance. Finial score 101 - 98 The EngiNERDs alliance went on to win the next match. It should have been over. Competition VS GP you telling me after watching 3 days worth of mini bot racing that anyone would get this wrong? 1718 clearly had a faster mini bot they demonstrated it throughout the event. So sorry for the EngiNERDs alliance 1718 and 326 you guys got robbed. I did not check but I am sure this changed who is qualifying for nationals.

VID: http://www.youtube.com/user/FIRSTinM...33/LTnOYwfay34

Maybe I did not see this correctly it would be nice if we could get some GP out of teams 27 245 1023 lets hear from you guys.

27 Alumni here also a 2337 mentor, you heard from me ... not sure what this has to do with GP though. Oh wait, it is just another example of people using GP as a shield for them saying whatever they want and slandering other people/teams.

The call on the field stands there is no recourse, when a ref makes a call and stands by it there is nothing we can do after the fact. Evaluating why it happened and how we can avoid calls like that in the future may be of some value but calling out well respected teams sure isn't the way to do it.

BrendanB 10-04-2011 13:11

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne TenBrink (Post 1051200)
I want to explain the TRUE reason that the NC Gears didn't repeat as MSC Champions. It wasn't our robot, our drivers, our strategy, our opponents, or our "other" alliance partner - nothing as rational as that. It was the NC Gears/Martians Curse! Since 2009, the NC Gears have been winners or finalists at every event we attended with a few "curious" exceptions:

- 2009 TC Disrict: No Martians - Finalist
- 2009 Lansing District: With 494 Martians - Semifinalist
- 2009 WM District: No Martians - Winner
- 2009 MSC: No Martians - Finalist
- 2009 Newton: No Martians - Finalist
- 2010 TC Distric: No Martians - Winner
- 2010 WM District: No Martians - Finalist
- 2010 MSC: No Martians - Winner
- 2010 Archimedes: With 70 More Martians - Quarterfinalist
- 2011 TC District: No Martians - Winner
- 2011 WM District: No Martians - Winner
- 2011 MSC: With 494 Martians - Quarterfinalist

Not only that, but 2 of the 3 qualification matches we lost at 2011 MSC were with or against Martians. Yikes!

Oh, well. The NC Gears, Martians, and More Martians all qualified for the Championship. I just hope that we wind up in different divisions!

As you may know, my younger brother Jay is a mentor for the Goodrich Martians (494) & More Martians (70). As kids, we always played well together. As adults, apparently we don't. Maybe our Mother needs to have a few words with us.

But seriously, MSC was a great event. In the five matches we played on Saturday, there was only one where the losers (us) scored less than 100 points! Congratulations to everyone who made it there. Thanks to 494 for selecting us and 3539 for joining our alliance. Congratulations to 33, 67, and 70 on a well deserved victory. Thanks to all who make this event possible!

Why didn't you tell our alliance captain on archi last year that you two were a black hole together! :eek:

Congrats though on 3 very successful seasons!

RyanCesiel 10-04-2011 13:17

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard (Post 1051252)
I recall that match -- was sitting right behind 548, across the aisle from 2337, so I had a good view of the tower. I thought 245's deployment might have been a little early, but it was a close call.

Generally, I thought the MSC refs got nearly all of the close calls right. The endgame moves very quickly, making those calls very tough for the refs.

I agree. With the increased competition in the minibot deployment and race, I think our referees did an excellent job.

Akash Rastogi 10-04-2011 13:24

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Only in Michigan can the 8th seed alliance put up a score of 143 points...just wow.

Watching youtube match videos all day:D

Wayne TenBrink 10-04-2011 14:11

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1051256)
Why didn't you tell our alliance captain on archi last year that you two were a black hole together! :eek:

Congrats though on 3 very successful seasons!

We hadn't established much of a trend by that point...Sorry. Same to 3539, I guess. As for me and my brother, perhaps we should have listened to Mom when she said "Play nice together or somebody is going to get hurt!"

AMYO 10-04-2011 14:29

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
WOW you do not sound bias at all. Did not know that the simply two letters would cause so many folks to get all bound up inside "slandering other people/teams." Really? OK PLEASE READ THE POST BEFORE RESPONDING SIMPLY COPYING IT INTO YOUR POST IS NOT THE SAME.

WHAT r the facts: 3 mini bots went up two were scored???
::rtm::

Josh Fox 10-04-2011 14:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AMYO (Post 1051276)
WHAT r the facts: 3 mini bots went up two were scored???

That seems to be the case. As stated previously, it looks like 27's mini won the race, even though it didn't appear activate the tower. That Adambots may have deployed slightly early as well from the look of it, justifying the tower deactivation.

I don't really understand how hearing opinions from the teams on the winning alliance has anything to do with GP.

Andrew Schreiber 10-04-2011 14:46

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WOW you do not sound bias at all.

You're right, I'm not. I have reasons for wanting both teams to win.

Did not know that the simply two letters would cause so many folks to get all bound up inside "slandering other people/teams."

You are the one who called out 27/245/1023, not me. You are the one who, instead of asking for clarification. No, wait, you asked for GP... whatever that is. " it would be nice if we could get some GP out of teams 27 245 1023 lets hear from you guys."

Really? OK PLEASE READ THE POST BEFORE RESPONDING SIMPLY COPYING IT INTO YOUR POST IS NOT THE SAME.

Better? Did I read enough of your post this time? Remember, you are the one who called out teams. Had you asked for clarification for why things turned out as they had I doubt anyone would have had a problem explaining it. Instead you claimed 2337 should have won and, as I read it, that the alliance that won was not displaying GP. I'm not even sure how you are defining GP or why it is relevant to a call a ref made but the point is YOU called out teams. I responded because I have had experience with several of the teams you called out.

Jazonk 10-04-2011 15:05

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Talking to the refs after the match, they said this:

27's minibot won the race, despite the tower lights not activating.
1718's minibot came in second.
245's tower was disabled due to an early deployment.

There is your clarification.

J_Miles 10-04-2011 15:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazonk (Post 1051290)
Talking to the refs after the match, they said this:

27's minibot won the race, despite the tower lights not activating.
1718's minibot came in second.
245's tower was disabled due to an early deployment.

There is your clarification.

Watching from the stands, it looked extremely close. Because we were the Blue Alliance team, I obviously was immediately inclined to say that 1718's minibot went up first; however, watching the match video, I can't call it. It was so extremely close that there was no honest way for me to tell, since I can't watch both towers simultaneously. I think it could have gone either way, but it looks to me that RUSH's minibot scored first by a millisecond or two :eek: . Regardless, it was a close quarterfinals match. The red alliance and blue alliance matched each other in points throughout the round (Red by 3, then Blue by 43, then Red by 40, I believe). I trust that the referees made the right decision. That entire alliance was absolutely phenomenal, and I only regret that our alliance partners were having the sort of trouble that they were; otherwise those last two matches might have been as exciting as the first one.

Congrats to teams 27, 245, and 1023 for playing hard in the eliminations and coming within one point of upsetting a STACKED #2 seeded alliance, not to mention beating a strong #8 alliance in the semis. For anyone from that blue alliance in the quarters, please let this go. Sometimes mistakes are made, but don't go pointing fingers, especially since, in this case, I don't think there was one.

Coach#3536 10-04-2011 15:19

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A huge thanks from 3536 to all the teams we played against and with over the weekend. We believe that we really were part of something cool with the tube hang and the minibot race this year so far.

As the highest rookie seed we really enjoyed how the teams pulled with us in the end. We were able to keep our HIGHLY defensive robot up there in a mix of excellent tube hangers. While the Mini bot we had was consistent, it was no match to the blistering bots put up by Foley Freeze, TORC, Enginerds and by far not least MARTIAN were really awsome. I know there were many others that I didn't get to watch that I failed to mention. We hope to mimic some of the designs ideas we saw and have it on EPIC for St. Louis to help our role in the alliances next time.

We knew the defensive role in itself would be a tough sell at the end of the day. Even with keeping the hangers points down or off the board as we showed we could. Sorry to those that got knocked in the 1 vs 8 story. That was a heartbreaker. But it also is what makes a compelling story too. Yep MSC was wild for our first experiance there, crazy for sure. But alot of cool teams and the rookie tube hanging done by 3539 was impressive. Nice Job to EVERYONE we met very cool, thanks!

Eric Kosek 10-04-2011 15:58

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As the driver of Team 1718, that in the heat of the moment I thought that we beat 27 in the mini bot race and when they gave it the first place, like any driver would have been, I was very mad. After looking at it on video i realized that it was actually a very close race and that it was too close for to call. The ref already has one of the hardest jobs there is and I beleive that he made the right call. I realize that if I had been on 27's team, i would have been mad if 1718 got the first place points and cost us to lose the match so i beleive that even though it was a tough call, the ref made the right decision. The quarterfinal ended up going to a third match anyways although we had some drivetrain issues and I give all the credit in the world to 27, 245 and 1023. They were a very strong alliance, as was every alliance there, but to take the strong number 2 alliance to three matches in the finals was a feat in itself. The finals were three of the most exciting matches I have ever seen. Great job you guys.
Also congrats to 33, 67 and 70 on winning the championship. You guys all have awesome robots this year and I cant wait to see you guys down in St. Louis.
And thank you to Team 2337 for choosing us as your alliance partners and team 326 for joining our alliance. Both of you guys had two awesome robots this year and it was an honor to play with you guys.

techvikesmom 10-04-2011 16:28

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Congrats to TEAM 2054 "TECH VIKES" you did awesome, too!!!:)
You were reliable and a consistent robot in every concept of the tournament!!! We are so excited about going to Nationals at St. Louis.
Good luck to all teams going and see you there!!!

Michael Corsetto 10-04-2011 18:27

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Originally Posted by Jazonk (Post 1051290)
Talking to the refs after the match, they said this:

27's minibot won the race, despite the tower lights not activating.
1718's minibot came in second.
245's tower was disabled due to an early deployment.

There is your clarification.

Thanks for the clarification!

I am concerned about 27 receiving the points despite the lights not triggering. Per TU#18, "So moving forward, we will be relying on the automated scoring of the MINIBOT RACE."

Is this not to be taken as a rule, and instead more of a guideline? At the Sacramento Regional, our (1868's actually) MINIBOT didn't trigger the tower in our last final match, but it was clearly first place in the MINIBOT RACE. We were not awarded the points, but it didn't matter since we won without that minibot. Earlier in the day, our actual MINIBOT (a slow one) hit one of the bolts as it attempted to trigger the tower, didn't trigger it, and we did not receive the points again.

So, is this a matter of inconsistency in the refereeing? Or was there something different about the situation with team 27? Because as I understand TU#18, if the tower doesn't show those lights, no points.

Also, for anyone interested, I attached a screen grab of 245 deploying early. You can see that the yellow light is still on the tower base and their MINIBOT is just barely within the BASE projection.

Awesome matches at Michigan, the World Championship is going to be intense!

-Mike

nikeairmancurry 10-04-2011 18:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto (Post 1051350)
Thanks for the clarification!

I am concerned about 27 receiving the points despite the lights not triggering. Per TU#18, "So moving forward, we will be relying on the automated scoring of the MINIBOT RACE."

Is this not to be taken as a rule, and instead more of a guideline? At the Sacramento Regional, our (1868's actually) MINIBOT didn't trigger the tower in our last final match, but it was clearly first place in the MINIBOT RACE. We were not awarded the points, but it didn't matter since we won without that minibot. Earlier in the day, our actual MINIBOT (a slow one) hit one of the bolts as it attempted to trigger the tower, didn't trigger it, and we did not receive the points again.

So, is this a matter of inconsistency in the refereeing? Or was there something different about the situation with team 27? Because as I understand TU#18, if the tower doesn't show those lights, no points.

Also, for anyone interested, I attached a screen grab of 245 deploying early. You can see that the yellow light is still on the tower base and their MINIBOT is just barely within the BASE projection.

Awesome matches at Michigan, the World Championship is going to be intense!

-Mike

Its seems the Ref right there... Jason was spot on...

EricH 10-04-2011 18:34

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There've been a couple of cases where lights just didn't work on a tower for some reason, but the scoring system picked up the points anyway. (Or, in the case I'm thinking of, it was known that the tower's lights weren't working and they hadn't fixed them, so they went by FMS times.)

It's triggering the tower, not turning on the light, that is important.

Michael Corsetto 10-04-2011 18:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1051353)
There've been a couple of cases where lights just didn't work on a tower for some reason, but the scoring system picked up the points anyway. (Or, in the case I'm thinking of, it was known that the tower's lights weren't working and they hadn't fixed them, so they went by FMS times.)

It's triggering the tower, not turning on the light, that is important.

This makes sense, I was not aware that the status lights might not change even if a trigger is detected by the FMS. If this was the case, then no problems from the peanut gallery, carry on...

fuzzwaz 10-04-2011 19:34

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Overall, one of the best i've ever seen. Amazing.

I still felt a little angered by a couple things, but they weren’t too bad. I don't like it when people cheer because of other people's losses. I understand it when it is your victory, that’s fine. Example would be 469 last year, during the April Fool's joke. Tons of people were cheering wildly.

Although not nearly as bad, when the 8th seed beat the 1st seed, I felt it a little bit. Its ok to get excited about an upset (no matter what you think about the robots, if an 8th seed beats a 1st seed it is by default a technical upset) but please please don't be happy because of someone else's loss. I had a few friends on 217 who were irked by it, but again. It was not too bad, just something I noticed. And It happened more than just during the upset, it happened a little bit during award ceremonies, but I won’t get into that too much.

DON’T cheer because a team lost an award… That’s just plain wrong. Way worse than cheering because a team lost a match. Usually teams only get around one award per competition, and when I see (and hear from specific people who came up to me afterwards and complained) that certain people were cheering because a team won a certain award and not the one they wanted… wow…

Congrats to the winning alliance, you guys truly deserved it. I loved watching your matches; it really shows how awesome LOGO MOTION can be.

Also, I want to give a big congrats to teams 548 and 1023 on their chairman award wins. They are absolutely amazing and I really enjoyed walking through their booths and seeing their team's accomplishments throughout 2010-2011

Excited for Nationals :)

548swimmer 10-04-2011 19:56

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Originally Posted by fuzzwaz (Post 1051376)
Although not nearly as bad, when the 8th seed beat the 1st seed, I felt it a little bit. Its ok to get excited about an upset (no matter what you think about the robots, if an 8th seed beats a 1st seed it is by default a technical upset) but please please don't be happy because of someone else's loss. I had a few friends on 217 who were irked by it, but again. It was not too bad, just something I noticed. And It happened more than just during the upset, it happened a little bit during award ceremonies, but I won’t get into that too much.

If I had to guess (and this is just a guess because I was obviously cheering for the win) I would guess that the primary reason people were cheering was because of the upset. 217 being upset is understandable, but on some level everyone wants the underdog to win.

Then again, maybe it just sounded like everyone was cheering because our team is so huge.

fuzzwaz 10-04-2011 20:09

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Haha :), well I know it wasent your team. And when I say cheering, its more like.. People coming up to me and saying things like "YES 217 is out!! LOLOLOL im soososos happy!" and then you realize that they are just happy because a team lost. And not because of the upset, or because their team won.

I could tell 548 was going wild, congrats, it was a great match.

548swimmer 10-04-2011 20:12

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Originally Posted by fuzzwaz (Post 1051396)
Haha :), well I know it wasent your team. And when I say cheering, its more like.. People coming up to me and saying things like "YES 217 is out!! LOLOLOL im soososos happy!" and then you realize that they are just happy because a team lost. And not because of the upset, or because their team won.

I could tell 548 was going wild, congrats, it was a great match.

Ah, that makes sense to bring up. Things like that are just wrong, and should not be a part of FIRST.

Debbie 10-04-2011 20:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TEE (Post 1051045)
This competition was not good to us... just check our qualification match schedule. Oh, and we're only 1 team away from qualifying for nationals -__-

Hope you make it in! Any word yet?

Debbie 10-04-2011 21:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Zondag (Post 1051186)
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Great Job by RUSH, Adambots, and Bedford Express! Your alliance was great and it was an honor to play against you. I hope at least one of you is in our division in St Louis.

I can't wait to see the ABC program next weekend.

We had a great time sitting by the bees, cheering with the bees, and competing with the bees! You are one of the many teams in Michigan that has helped get Bedford Express where they are today! Thank you for your leadership and your kind words!

Debbie 10-04-2011 21:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AMYO (Post 1051196)
Wow what a great event... One big official mistake was elimination match 2-1 EngiNERDs clearly won this match but it looks like the refs or the score keepers got it wrong in the mini bot race. 245 did deploy a mini bot, but it finished 2nd!!! 1718 score there's first. The 30 points went Team Rush with 20 going to the EngiNERDs alliance. Finial score 101 - 98 The EngiNERDs alliance went on to win the next match. It should have been over. Competition VS GP you telling me after watching 3 days worth of mini bot racing that anyone would get this wrong? 1718 clearly had a faster mini bot they demonstrated it throughout the event. So sorry for the EngiNERDs alliance 1718 and 326 you guys got robbed. I did not check but I am sure this changed who is qualifying for nationals.

VID: http://www.youtube.com/user/FIRSTinM...33/LTnOYwfay34

Maybe I did not see this correctly it would be nice if we could get some GP out of teams 27 245 1023 lets hear from you guys.

I don't think we got points for Adambots because their tower was disabled. I could be wrong yesterday was a blur and I am still trying to watch all of our matches. It was close, but I think RUSH did beat them to the top.

Debbie 10-04-2011 21:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HighLife (Post 1051247)
If I remember correctly, the ref at that tower ruled that we deployed too early and we did not get points for our minibot. We didn't think it was possible because we have a 10.3~5ish second timer in code, but when teams are deploying their minibots that close to 10 seconds, how can a ref really tell? That being said, I think there could be a points argument for both sides, but that's just competition.

.. Ahhh I should read all the posts before I post.. LOL It was great playing with you all, and I enjoyed yesterday much better than when you took us out in Detroit! :)

ChristopherSD 10-04-2011 21:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Debbie (Post 1051414)
Hope you make it in! Any word yet?

All we can really say right now is that we're the first alternative in case another team cannot make it. It's been a very tough weekend. The fact that FEDS 201 was one spot off is really upsetting.

Congrats to 1023 on the award though!

Debbie 10-04-2011 21:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by J_Miles (Post 1051294)

Congrats to teams 27, 245, and 1023 for playing hard in the eliminations and coming within one point of upsetting a STACKED #2 seeded alliance, not to mention beating a strong #8 alliance in the semis.

Thanks!! It definitely was the toughest matches we have ever played. When I looked at the top 8, I knew it could go to anyone. I am thankful we were able to contribute to our alliance and play a different position than we had ever played this season. The thing I love about FIRST in Michigan is that there are great teams that are willing to help build great teams which lead to great friendships and promote all of FIRST values! It is a GREAT state to play robots! :)

Jay TenBrink 10-04-2011 21:22

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In my 11 years in FIRST this was one of the toughest competitions I been a part of. It was almost like the last few years at IRI only without the talent show.

As field coach for the Martians, team 494, it was once again a great pleasure to play side by side with the NC Gears and be behind the glass with my big brother. It was also my pleasure to work with team 3539 Electro Eagles. You guys are a class act. Sorry to bring you into the Martian/Gears jinx (see above).;)

As mentor for More Martians team 70, It was a great honor to be invited to join forces with two of the greats in FIRST Robotics: The Killer Bees and HOT.

As I have said before, no other team has helped our team more that team 33, and no other mentor has helped me over the years more that Jim Zondag. Thanks again.

AMYO 10-04-2011 21:38

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Sorry Andrew Schreiber Clearly GP was not a good word combo (I really have not earned the right to use such a heavily waited word) its an Adjective and a Noun I obviously used it incorrect. I still think your comments were not very "gp" (lower case). This is were you may consider switching to decaf.

Other than this single match (Elimination Qtr 2-1) I think the Ref's did a great job.
Thanks for the clarification!

Debbie 10-04-2011 22:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristopherSD (Post 1051429)
All we can really say right now is that we're the first alternative in case another team cannot make it. It's been a very tough weekend. The fact that FEDS 201 was one spot off is really upsetting.

Congrats to 1023 on the award though!

I bet! We have a few empty seats on our bus and a few extra BX shirts. :) Seriously though, hope you all get in. .. and thank you!

BX would like to thank team 67, RUSH and team 245, Adambots for digging down into the rank list to see our robot's performance instead of our results from some tough matches! We had a great time working with you. Kyle, you are a FIM legend and as a coach, I learned so much working with you and listening to you yesterday. Your team has shared many resources with my team. Being able to play in some very intense matches with you all was an honor!

I would like to thank many teams for helping 1023 grow into a Chairman's team!

Team 67-You all have inspired us and led us and helped us grow. Tom, your faith in us has pushed us higher than maybe I even thought we were capable.

Team 27 - You have shared many resources with us! We used your toolkit to revamp our program last year and look where it took us. How sweet to be able to play with you in the championships and be awarded the Chairman's Award in the same year!

Team 503 - We love the frogs! Thanks for being there to answer questions any time we had them and for helping us reach the next level! You are an inspiration and winning Chairman's with you was an honor!

Team 201 - Your help with scouting and strategy last year has lead to a whole new scouting procedure for us! We had the best scouting we have ever had this year. Thanks for helping us see the importance of good scouting! We had some of our highest scoring matches with you this year! We hope you make it to worlds!

Teams 33, 51, 217, 469, 1528 - Thank you for always being there with spare parts, assistance and support! We truly appreciate you and all you do for this program!

Team 3773 - We are so proud of you for winning highest rookie seed in Livonia and for all you have accomplished since creating your team last December! Looking forward to seeing you grow next year!

Dave V. - You are the BEST MC in the WORLD! Thank you for all you do! Actually being one of the teams that was introduced while you were doing your trademark handstand was SUCH an honor!

Juan and Tom - You two are awesome MC's as well! Thank you both!

Team 2137 - TORC! We have really enjoyed getting to know your team this year, winning Livonia with you, and building friendships. Thank you for letting us run our mini-bot up in our last match together! We know you took a risk with that and we will never forget it! Hope we are in the same division so we can play together again!

Thanks to all of the volunteers who make this program work. Thanks to Gail and Pam for all of your work to make this state so strong! Thanks to EMU (my alma mater) for hosting this event!

The cool thing about Michigan FIRST is that everyone shares, everyone helps, everyone cares AND when you go to St. Louis you have so many friends. We are really looking forward to seeing you all there and seeing who will be in our division!

GOOD LUCK to ALL Michigan teams! See you in St. Louis!!

Wayne TenBrink 10-04-2011 22:05

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Congratulations to Ken Platteshorre for winning the Woodie Flowers award. Ken is a quiet guy who works tirelessly for the West Michigan robotics community. He is a role model for other mentors as well as the students on his team.

Craig Roys 10-04-2011 22:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AMYO (Post 1051196)
Wow what a great event... One big official mistake was elimination match 2-1 EngiNERDs clearly won this match but it looks like the refs or the score keepers got it wrong in the mini bot race. 245 did deploy a mini bot, but it finished 2nd!!! 1718 score there's first. The 30 points went Team Rush with 20 going to the EngiNERDs alliance. Finial score 101 - 98 The EngiNERDs alliance went on to win the next match. It should have been over. Competition VS GP you telling me after watching 3 days worth of mini bot racing that anyone would get this wrong? 1718 clearly had a faster mini bot they demonstrated it throughout the event. So sorry for the EngiNERDs alliance 1718 and 326 you guys got robbed. I did not check but I am sure this changed who is qualifying for nationals.

VID: http://www.youtube.com/user/FIRSTinM...33/LTnOYwfay34

Maybe I did not see this correctly it would be nice if we could get some GP out of teams 27 245 1023 lets hear from you guys.

245's tower was disabled because the ref said they deployed early so that wasn't even a factor in the match - after rewatching a couple of times, it seems they did in fact deploy early. The race between our minibot (1718) and RUSH's was very close. I know that we deployed a split second after RUSH, but I didn't see who hit first. Even though our tower showed first place, the refs saw RUSH's hit first - their tower malfunctioned (what a surprise that one of the towers might malfuntion). It was a judgement call and I didn't see anything to contradict it. The real problem is the inconsistency of the towers in important close races like that one. No one was robbed. Make no mistake - 27, 245, and 1023 deserved that win as evidenced by their performance the rest of the way.

74Robotmom 10-04-2011 22:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne TenBrink (Post 1051458)
Congratulations to Ken Platteshorre for winning the Woodie Flowers award. Ken is a quiet guy who works tirelessly for the West Michigan robotics community. He is a role model for other mentors as well as the students on his team.

I'll second the congratulations! My family has been involved for 5 years now with Team 74-Holland CHAOS, and most importantly Ken and his fabulous team of coaches and mentors. Ken is one of the most giving people I know, and his almost limitless generosity and contagious love for FIRST is unmatched. CHAOS has had an awesome season this year, and it's wonderful to know that we'll be going to St. Louis not only to represent Michigan on the Championship field, but to also cheer on Michigan's Woodie Flowers recipient!

Way to go Ken-the Refresh Family is very proud of you!

flippy147852 10-04-2011 22:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay TenBrink (Post 1051436)
It was also my pleasure to work with team 3539 Electro Eagles. You guys are a class act.

Just to clarify, 3539 are The Byting Bulldogs, not the Electro Eagles (3536).

There were so many 35xx teams at state, so your confusion is understandable.

Thanks for picking us both to join you. We were so close to moving on!

J@GMFlint 11-04-2011 08:14

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Congrats to all who qualified & attended MSC, you (we) all have a lot to be proud of. One of our high points was being a part of the 6-tube Autonomous!

To those who made it into the eliminations, absolutely outstanding work! Regardless of the outcome, don't sweat the ref. calls, etc. You were the best of the best in MI! Those of you who are going to the CMP will do quite well. I know it's been said before, and debated, but as those who have been there can attest, and support by the numbers, the MSC is by far the toughest Official FIRST event in the world- look out St. Louis!

Team #1243 would also like to extend special thanks & congratulations to Team #326 for teaming up with us in the mini-bot race & adding some extra-firepower to pull-off a couple of surprises, your m-bot was awesome! Also, on your winning the Gracious Professionalism Award! After the experience our team had with you guys, and the positive impact it had on our team (a couple students in particular) we were all so happy you guys had won. Great Work for such a small team!! :)

Re: #1 being beat by#8 and booing/cheering. To anyone who's beein in FIRST for a while in MI, there are a few teams who always seem to be in the elims, because they are truly awesome teams. When some of them pair together, it paints an almost perfect picture of the "high-powered" alliance just by name. Having been an under-dog several times before, pulling off an upset creates a huge release of energy and emotions in everyone at the event as it is simply unexpected. Not that anyone is necessarily "pleased" that a good team lost, afterall everyone loses sooner or later. I wonder, if it would have gone the other way -as some might have expected- would the subject have even came up because the release of energy and cheering might not have been as loud?

pathew100 11-04-2011 11:40

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I was your scorekeeper at MSC this past weekend. I should be able to clear up some confusion about the tower lights vs minibot order.

We have to change the order of the minibot race when host robots hit the tower and trigger the scoring inadvertently.

This happened a couple times in the eliminations. We can adjust the scoring correctly but we can't change the tower lights to show the correct finish order. So it can be confusing if you are just watching a video and looking at the lights.

We had refs, the FTA, FTAA and myself watching all of the "drag races" to ensure we got the order correct. There are also refs assigned to each tower to determine early deployment and tower disables.

We had many matches where four minibots scored in 4 seconds so this was very challenging!

PaW 11-04-2011 12:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Zondag (Post 1051186)
Amazing event! That was the most competitive action I have ever seen in 15 years of FIRST. It was a real Championship. All 8 Alliances were stacked. Giant scores, major strategy, serious fun.

The HOT team lived up to their long standing reputation of being the best team in the world. Adam, Jim, it was great finally playing with you guys, after 12 years of playing against each other. You have a great team, great strategy, and a great robot. You are an inspiration to us.

More Martians were a steal. I could not believe that your team was still available at the 15th pick. Great job with the defense, tube delivery and minibot. You were the key to our victory. Excellent grace under pressure doing a Crio swap in 5 minutes in the Semifinals.

IKE is right, the finals could have gone either way. ONE POINT determined the winner. ONE POINT in 3 matches with totals over 200! Split second finishes on the minibots made the difference. Amazing.

Great Job by RUSH, Adambots, and Bedford Express! Your alliance was great and it was an honor to play against you. I hope at least one of you is in our division in St Louis.

I can't wait to see the ABC program next weekend.

Congratulations to ALL the MSC participants. Viewing from afar, this was definitely edge-of-my-seat entertainment. Kudos to all, especially the refs & the field crew!

Insanely efficient tube scoring...
Incredible human players...
Tenacious defense...
Photo-finish minibot races...
Record-setting combined scores...

...and Mr. David Verbrugge... wow.


:)

Ether 11-04-2011 12:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Zondag (Post 1051186)
I can't wait to see the ABC program next weekend.


What ABC program are you referring to?



Chris Hibner 11-04-2011 12:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1051673)
What ABC program are you referring to?


FIRST In Michigan Championship Powered By Chevrolet

All ABC affiliates in Michigan on Saturday, April 16 at 1 p.m. WJRT in Flint will air it on Sunday. (I have my TiVo set for it, so if you have TiVo it should already be in the database.)

BJC 11-04-2011 12:14

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
ABC videotaped the event. They are making a 1 hour video which will show the semi finals and finals. It was really cool. They put a high def. camera on all of the captain robots. I know they got video of the Martians shanging their cRIO. I also believe that Paul Copioli was commentating. It'll definatly be worth watching.

Refresh 11-04-2011 13:20

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
They also put camera's on the minibot towers so there should be some great footage on that. Especially the matches where the tower was shaken a bit from contact.

R3P0 11-04-2011 13:20

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Roys (Post 1051461)
(what a surprise that one of the towers might malfuntion). It was a judgement call and I didn't see anything to contradict it. The real problem is the inconsistency of the towers in important close races like that one. .

They should have used at least these bolts from the underside of the tower plastic disk so that minibots could not hit the bolt heads. Better yet an elevator bolt or shoulder bolt.

Craig Roys 12-04-2011 08:26

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by R3P0 (Post 1051700)
They should have used at least these bolts from the underside of the tower plastic disk so that minibots could not hit the bolt heads. Better yet an elevator bolt or shoulder bolt.

I don't think it was a bolt problem - I believe 27's minibot, like ours, is not wide enough to hit one of the bolts. I think the problem (at least from my understanding) comes from the delay programed in to prevent false triggers. FIRST didn't expect minibots to hit and be gone so fast not giving the tower enough time to trigger.

Adam Freeman 12-04-2011 08:52

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
WOW…what an insane event!

I can honestly say that I have never seen a more deserving collection of teams at a competition. There were teams that should and would have made elimination rounds at any other tournament in the country, that weren’t in these eliminations.

Unfortunately for some teams, there were some amazingly stacked qualification alliances…this lead to some awesome displays of offensive power and some unique defensive strategies for how to counter act it. It was a joy to watch all of the qualification matches that I could.

To all our friends, it was great to be able to see and play with everyone again. One thing I love about this event is that there is almost never a time where you can’t find someone interesting to talk to about robots.

As everyone has already mentioned, the elimination were incredible. The strength of that #8 alliance was unreal. I couldn’t decide which team I wanted to win in that last SF match.

Congratulations to 27, 245, and 1023…you guys were awesome. 3 matches…1pt victory, crazy tube scoring, awesome human players, minibot “drag races”….just crazy!

To RUSH, I hope there will come a time soon where we can work together instead of competing against each other. You guys are awesome, and we would love an opportunity to play with you.

Killer Bees and HOT…finally….what (?) 12 years in the making. I mentioned to the other mentors before the season started this was the year we finally play with 33. We were denied at Kettering, but this is even better. Jim, it was awesome to be on the same side of the glass with you! I think we worked great together. It was great to know our scouting teams worked well together, also.

More Martians, you guys are always great to work with. Last year at Kettering and again this year…you guys do whatever we need you to do. Your tube running in the quarters and semis was awesome and your defense in the last match was outstanding. Plus the versatility you gave us on the minibots was great. I have never seen a cRIO fixed that quickly. I am really glad Jim kept believing in you guys, I was really nervous that something was going to happen. You guys earned it!

Congrats to all the Chairman’s teams and all the other teams that qualified for St. Louis. Let’s keep the streak of Michigan teams in the Championship match going!

Steve Ketron 12-04-2011 09:15

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman (Post 1051874)
WOW…what an insane event!

I can honestly say that I have never seen a more deserving collection of teams at a competition. There were teams that should and would have made elimination rounds at any other tournament in the country, that weren’t in these eliminations.

I agree, our team (1528) had an awesome time. We were on 4 alliances that scored over 100 points and another match were we hung 10 tubes and still didn't get picked. That says a lot for the teams that did. Great job Michigan in putting together such a great competitive competition.

J_Miles 12-04-2011 12:40

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
I'll continue to congratulate everyone who made the eliminations rounds, considering the fact that EVERYONE deserved to be there (evidenced by #8 upsetting #1, #7 giving #2 a ROUGH time, and #4 coming close to the upset victory in the finals); however, special congrats go to Teams 67, 33, and 70 for being champions; 503, 1023, and 548 for winning the State Championship Chairman's Award; and all of the other award winners for representing the best of the FIRST in Michigan powerhouse.

mrRefresh74 12-04-2011 12:50

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
I checked our local listings (Grand Rapids/Holland, MI) and WOTV is carrying it, but WZZM (Channel 13) is not. Saturday, April 16 at 1:00 p.m.

Chaoskitty 12-04-2011 17:15

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Team 74 would like to thank teams 3098 and 548 for joining us in the quarter and semi final matches. We couldn't have made it as far as we did without your help.

To teams 469, 201, and 217, it was great playing against you guys.

stuart2054 13-04-2011 07:54

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PaW (Post 1051671)
Congratulations to ALL the MSC participants. Viewing from afar, this was definitely edge-of-my-seat entertainment. Kudos to all, especially the refs & the field crew!

Insanely efficient tube scoring...
Incredible human players...
Tenacious defense...
Photo-finish minibot races...
Record-setting combined scores...

...and Mr. David Verbrugge... wow.


:)

I second this sentiment. Congratulations to all teams that competed, it was awesome to watch. The seeding matches were great and showed just how many good teams there are here.

All eight final alliances were impressive and the outcome of it was a true "cliff hanger". You wouldn't think it would be with the "Bee's", "HOT" and "More Martians" together, (that alliance would put fear into any FRC alliance) but there were many awesome teams and powerhouse alliances.

Many thanks to team 2137 "TORC" for choosing the TECH Vikes and to 910 "Foley Freeze" for your valiant efforts. We enjoyed working with both of you and hope to do so again.

tr6scott 14-04-2011 10:57

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stuart2054 (Post 1052341)
Many thanks to team 2137 "TORC" for choosing the TECH Vikes and to 910 "Foley Freeze" for your valiant efforts. We enjoyed working with both of you and hope to do so again.

The Honor was ours! That is a great bot, and so efficient in movement. Great minibot too!

Congrats to all the elimination teams, Wow!

A special thanks to 33 and 1023 for picking 2137 at the Kettering and Livonia districts, and our first and second Blue Banners. It has been a story book year.

I also look forward to the Nationals, and some Michigan alliances. :)

Debbie 14-04-2011 12:02

Re: Michigan State Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tr6scott (Post 1052722)

A special thanks to 33 and 1023 for picking 2137 at the Kettering and Livonia districts, and our first and second Blue Banners. It has been a story book year.

I also look forward to the Nationals, and some Michigan alliances. :)

I second the story book year! That is what we feel about this year. It was great working with you in Livonia! Looking forward to worlds! I take it you got your crate re-made?


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