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Re: Alliance Selection Rules

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Originally Posted by TEE (Post 1049857)

Yeah... update 21 clears this up http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles...pdate%2021.pdf

All it clears up is that GDC considers their Q&A answers to be authoritative.

It doesn't clear up the rule apparently, judging by the varied opinions on this thread.

Re: Alliance Selection Rules

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Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1049878)

All it clears up is that GDC considers their Q&A answers to be authoritative.

It doesn't clear up the rule apparently, judging by the varied opinions on this thread.

If Q&A was authoritative, then that Team Update would have said that Q&A is authoritative. Rather, they updated the rules, which implies they changed something. That suggests that Q&A answers are different from the rules, and that changing the rules directly is somehow greater than answering a Q&A.

As for the varied opinions, T25 and T26 have been rehashed many times, and I believe we CDers as a community can have a consensus that they do not apply to alliance selections.

However, I do wonder (@Sean) why Q&A doesn't overrule a Head Ref? It's directly from the GDC, and the GDC's interpretation should take precedence over a Ref's, right?

Re: Alliance Selection Rules

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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1049881)

Here's the exact wording of the update (emphasis & color mine):

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There were some questions at previous weeks’ events about what is allowed on the field during the Alliance Selection process.

We’d like to remind everyone of our answer to a Q&A post on this subject from 16 February, 2011 (found at http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=17137).

“There are no rules that prohibit laptops or team collaboration during the alliance selection process. These methods are permitted, however the team is expected to make quick and expeditious decisions in the interest of keeping the process moving.”

The part in blue is a verbatim copy of the Q&A ruling.

The part in red means nothing if not that GDC considers Q&A authoritative.

Re: Alliance Selection Rules

A simple solution for future games (or a future Team Update):

The moment the prior alliance captain's selection 'accepts', a countdown clock is started-- say 2 minutes or whatever (maybe less). The next captain can use her cell phone to call her grandmother for advice or whatever, if she wants, but if there is no choice made when the time runs out, then she gets the highest available seed which is not an alliance captain.

If she chooses a team already taken, well, she better hope there's still enough time on the clock, because it is not being restarted.

Optionally, there could be some special exception for rookie teams, since they often have no clue how the process works-- give them more time perhaps.

Takes the Emcee and the ref out of it, for the most part and this 'quantifies' GDC's desire to keep things moving.

John Vriezen
Team 2530 "Inconceivable"
Mentor, Drive Coach, Inspector

Re: Alliance Selection Rules

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Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1049889)

Here's the exact wording of the update (emphasis & color mine):

The part in blue is a verbatim copy of the Q&A ruling.

The part in red means nothing if not that GDC considers Q&A authoritative.

In retrospect that seems really obvious. Sorry about that. :P

Re: Alliance Selection Rules

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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1049881)

However, I do wonder (@Sean) why Q&A doesn't overrule a Head Ref? It's directly from the GDC, and the GDC's interpretation should take precedence over a Ref's, right?

Nope, read <T04>

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<T04> The Head Referee has the ultimate authority in the ARENA during the competition, but may receive input from additional sources, particularly Game Design Committee members, FIRST personnel, and technical staff that may be present at the event. THE HEAD REFEREE RULINGS ARE FINAL! The referee will not review recorded replays under any circumstances.

In the Arena, the Head Ref overules everyone including the GDC. Everyone must abide by their ruling, even if it is clearly incorrect according to the rules. You can ask questions or give input to influence a ruling but ultimately "what they say, goes". Fortunately, Head Refs are highly trained and trying their best to abide by the rules and GDC interpretations. Any Head Ref that is just arbitrarily making up rules will not be a Head Ref for long.