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Team 1574 09-04-2011 20:10
Championship Division question.
 
Does anybody know when will we know in which devision we are?

thanks,
and see you in St. Louis

MisCar 1574

EricH 09-04-2011 20:17
Re: Championship Division question.
 
It'll take at least a couple of business days to finish clearing out the Week 6 teams coming, and then tell teams on the waitlist that they can come if they get their payments in right away. Then you have to sort the teams into divisions, figure out that division A is stacked with 70 of the best teams there, and redo the entire sort only to find the division C now has 40 and the rest only have 20...

I'd guess Wednesday (4/13) at the very earliest; more likely the end of next week or later. I wouldn't put it later than the weekend before the event. So, at a guess, between 4/15 and 4/22, with minor tweaks of a team or two for a day or two after that.

Joe Ross 09-04-2011 20:39
Re: Championship Division question.
 
In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).

In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2007-2009, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3-4 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2010, the divisions were released on a Thursday, 7 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals)

rees2001 09-04-2011 20:44
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1051003)
In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).

In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2007-2009, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3-4 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2010, the divisions were released on a Thursday, 7 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals)
In the encyclopedia of FIRST under the term Encyclopedia it says - See Joe Ross.

Kevin Sevcik 09-04-2011 21:06
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rees2001 (Post 1051007)
In the encyclopedia of FIRST under the term Encyclopedia it says - See Joe Ross.
Seconded. We should download his brain to the FIRSTWiki to fill out the content there.

David Brinza 09-04-2011 22:02
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1051017)
Seconded. We should download his brain to the FIRSTWiki to fill out the content there.
A great thing about Joe: if he could download his brain to FIRSTWiki, he would. All trusted content too...

ATannahill 09-04-2011 22:49
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1051003)
In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).

In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2007-2009, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3-4 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2010, the divisions were released on a Thursday, 7 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals)
Now was that the day that they were officially announced or the day that some people found the list ahead of time?

BrendanB 09-04-2011 22:51
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 1051065)
Now was that the day that they were officially announced or the day that some people found the list ahead of time?
Haha good one! That was really funny, I won't believe anything this year until I see the list.

548swimmer 10-04-2011 19:29
Re: Championship Division question.
 
I assume the divisions are assigned so that each division is equally difficult to win. Is this right?

EricH 10-04-2011 19:42
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 548swimmer (Post 1051374)
I assume the divisions are assigned so that each division is equally difficult to win. Is this right?
Nope, it's random or pseudorandom. No difficulty rating assigned to any division. This does tend to produce a stacked division every year--that's the division that you want to be in to win the division and not be in to win the whole thing.

Chris is me 10-04-2011 19:46
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 548swimmer (Post 1051374)
I assume the divisions are assigned so that each division is equally difficult to win. Is this right?
No.

I imagine among other reasons, no one at FIRST has such an intimate knowledge of every single robot and team that they could actually pull that off.

548swimmer 10-04-2011 19:52
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1051386)
No.

I imagine among other reasons, no one at FIRST has such an intimate knowledge of every single robot and team that they could actually pull that off.
I was thinking that they could use some sort of ranking system (maybe OPR?) to sort. But random should work well too.

BrendanB 10-04-2011 20:03
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 548swimmer (Post 1051389)
I was thinking that they could use some sort of ranking system (maybe OPR?) to sort. But random should work well too.
But then you wouldn't have fun/intense eliminations like archimedes 2010, galileo 2008, and newton 2006. ;)

548swimmer 10-04-2011 20:10
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrendanB (Post 1051393)
But then you wouldn't have fun/intense eliminations like archimedes 2010, galileo 2008, and newton 2006. ;)
True. How do we find out which division is "stacked"?

kenavt 10-04-2011 20:12
Re: Championship Division question.
 
I was wondering if FIRST tends to put teams in a division they have been in before (keep them in the same division). For example, 2337 has been in Curie 2 of 2 times. 1114 has also been in Curie 4 of 7 times. 111 has been on Newton 4 of 7 in the past seven years as well (both 1114 and 111 from TBA).

TKM.368 10-04-2011 20:56
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 548swimmer (Post 1051397)
True. How do we find out which division is "stacked"?
With a little bit of patience (actually, you don't have to wait that long), the stacked division will be revealed via posts on CD.

Koko Ed 10-04-2011 21:01
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Back in the day we used to be able to anticipate who was going to be in what division by using their fairly simple code for picking divisions. They have since changed that so it's not quite so easy to do so.

AcesJames 10-04-2011 21:06
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenavt (Post 1051400)
I was wondering if FIRST tends to put teams in a division they have been in before (keep them in the same division). For example, 2337 has been in Curie 2 of 2 times. 1114 has also been in Curie 4 of 7 times. 111 has been on Newton 4 of 7 in the past seven years as well (both 1114 and 111 from TBA).
Looking at TBA I've noticed a pattern as well.

176 was on Newton 02 - 06. In 07 we were on Curie, 08 was Galileo, and then 09 and 10 were Archimedes. So that's Newton 5/9, Archimedes 2/9, Curie 1/9, and Galileo 1/9. I wonder if most teams that attend CMP every year have that one division they are in more frequently than others.

nighterfighter 10-04-2011 21:07
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenavt (Post 1051400)
I was wondering if FIRST tends to put teams in a division they have been in before (keep them in the same division). For example, 2337 has been in Curie 2 of 2 times. 1114 has also been in Curie 4 of 7 times. 111 has been on Newton 4 of 7 in the past seven years as well (both 1114 and 111 from TBA).
We've been in a different division every time we go to Worlds. (Archimedes, Curie, Galileo)

Maybe we'll get Newton this time...

TEE 10-04-2011 21:11
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1050999)
It'll take at least a couple of business days to finish clearing out the Week 6 teams coming, and then tell teams on the waitlist that they can come if they get their payments in right away. Then you have to sort the teams into divisions, figure out that division A is stacked with 70 of the best teams there, and redo the entire sort only to find the division C now has 40 and the rest only have 20...
fingers crossed =[

we're 1 team away from qualifying

Alpha Beta 10-04-2011 21:55
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEE (Post 1051430)
fingers crossed =[

we're 1 team away from qualifying
We won the regional championship, did not have a 4th team on the winning alliance, and won Engineering Inspiration at the Colorado Regional this weekend. That should free up a spot for an at-large team. Good luck in getting to Champs.

EricH 10-04-2011 22:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha Beta (Post 1051450)
We won the regional championship, did not have a 4th team on the winning alliance, and won Engineering Inspiration at the Colorado Regional this weekend. That should free up a spot for an at-large team.
Doesn't help if you're from MI and not preregistered, and one spot shy of the MI qualification group. It'll help someone get off the waitlist... but maybe not 201.

Duke461 10-04-2011 22:18
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEE (Post 1051430)
fingers crossed =[

we're 1 team away from qualifying
Last time i checked FIRST doesn't release the waiting list order for anybody. Am i wrong because i don't see otherwise how you would know that.

BrendanB 10-04-2011 22:20
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke461 (Post 1051462)
Last time i checked FIRST doesn't release the waiting list order for anybody. Am i wrong because i don't see otherwise how you would know that.
Michigan has their own ranking/wait list for CMP than the regular waitlist.

MagiChau 10-04-2011 22:23
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcesJames (Post 1051422)
Looking at TBA I've noticed a pattern as well.

176 was on Newton 02 - 06. In 07 we were on Curie, 08 was Galileo, and then 09 and 10 were Archimedes. So that's Newton 5/9, Archimedes 2/9, Curie 1/9, and Galileo 1/9. I wonder if most teams that attend CMP every year have that one division they are in more frequently than others.
For BOB I didn't really notice a pattern for our divisions. Don't know what division we were in for '02.

'10 was Galileo
'09 was Newton
'08 was Archimedes
'07 was Archimedes
'06 was Newton
'05 was Curie
'01 was Curie

Duke461 10-04-2011 22:28
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Does anybody know how many teams will be at Championships this year? (assuming teams fill up the spots correctly)
And is this the list of teams that already going for sure?

dodar 10-04-2011 22:44
Re: Championship Division question.
 
I guess we have a little bit of a tendency: '05 Galileo, '06 Archimedes, '07 Newton, '08 Curie, '09 Archimedes, '10 Newton, '11 Here's praying we get in :D

Doug G 10-04-2011 22:54
Re: Championship Division question.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke461 (Post 1051469)
Does anybody know how many teams will be at Championships this year? (assuming teams fill up the spots correctly)
And is this the list of teams that already going for sure?
Last year there was 350 teams if I remember right. That's about 86/87 teams per division.

Justin Montois 11-04-2011 00:36
Re: Championship Division question.
 
We have been..

2004...Newton
2005...Newton
2006...Newton
2007...Newton
2008...Curie
2009...Newton
2010...Curie
2011...

Can't wait for divisions though!

Quijas 11-04-2011 01:10
Re: Championship Division question.
 
newton '05
newton '06
newton '07
galileo '08
curie '09
curie '10
???? '11


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