1114: Absolutely stunning record over the last few years
 

Was just looking at the results from this year and realized just HOW incredible their record is:

2011:
1114 has a WLT record of 48-1-0 after three events.
The only match they've lost this year was Q47 in Pittsburgh, against 2656/378/48, by 13 pts.
I'm proud to say my team was part of their closest victory margin (they beat us by a mere 4 points, 76-72 in Q24 at Waterloo).
They've acquired 4 blue banners already this year, winning Pittsburgh, Waterloo and GTREast, as well as winning the RCA for GTREast.

I can't wait to see what CMP has in store for them.

Consider though, their record in 2010.

In 2010, 1114 had a WLT record of 66-3-2.
They went undefeated in regional competition, losing Q100 in Curie on purpose, playing against 111/888/469.
They went undefeated in Curie Eliminations, winning the Division, and going to Einstein finals, to lose in 2 matches to 177/67/294.
They earned 5 blue banners in 2010, winning Pittsburgh, Waterloo, GTR, Curie Division, and the RCA for Waterloo.

Over less than 2 seasons, that's 114-4-2. With one of those 4 losses being on purpose, and 2 of the other 3 in Einstein finals. Positively impressive.

2009's record is slightly less impressive at 29-9-0, being upset in Midwest by the #8 alliance, and only going to 2 regionals. They still managed to take home 1 regional win at GTR, and an RCA.

And of course, their Championship run in 2008, regular season record of 59-7-0, one of the losses being on Einstein. 3 regional wins, Galileo Division, Championship, and Waterloo's RCA.

All told, since 2008: 202-20-2, with 3 of the 20 losses on Einstein, 1 on purpose, 10 regional wins (out of 11 regionals attended), 2 championship divisions (out of 3 attended), 1 championship (out of 3 attended), and 4 RCAs (out of 4 submissions).

Since their inception in 2003, they've won 17/24 regionals attended, at least one every year since 2004, attended championship all 8 years, since 2006, they've only not won 2 regionals they attended (2007 GLR, 2009 Midwest), and an RCA every year since 2006 (6/9 possible). They've won 3 regionals in the same year 4 times now (2006, 2008, 2010, 2011), one of only a handful of teams to do that, the ONLY team to win 3 regionals AND Championship in the same year (2008).

Good luck 1114: I hope you win that long overdue Championship Chairman's, and another Championship win, after coming so close to a perfect season in 2010. Don't let the dissenters get under your skin.

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Reading over these mind-boggling statistics confirmed my suspicions that 1114 is a really really amazing team that has been able to repeatedly dominate everyone else despite very tough competition and a pool of competitors that increases greatly every year. It amazes me how they are able to have such few losses... they must have a very strong strategy team.

One thing of note: 67 won three district competitions, a state championship, and the world championship in 2009... could that possibly be construed as being equivalent to winning three regionals and a championship?

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I agree, this is absolutely outstanding!

1114 is THE benchmark standard that I use to compare my teams success to.

An outstanding group of teachers, mentors, and students. They have earned all their success.

Good luck in St. Louis 1114!

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Even more mind boggling is that they only have 1 world championship with their previous 5 robots (06-10) all capable of taking it with an equally effective partner.

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Another amazing team (in my opinion) is 2056. maybe never won championships, or win Chairmans every year, but have NEVER lost a regional in there existance. That is a huge acomplishment that i beleive no other team in the world could say they have done. However no chairmans awards they do a lot around the community from what i see, My mom and sister saw them helping out at a figureskating competition (during this years Kickoff weekend!). Great Job 1114 and 2056 your teams are what we compaire our robot to every year (ours is never good enough to win in GTR :( or any other competition)

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1114 is truly impressive. The best part is, if you ask them how you can be as successful as they are, they will tell you.

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Has any team ever won the WC and WCCA in the moden-era?

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2056 does have similarly amazing statistics, and are an excellent team in their own right. It comes as no surprise their lead mentor started out mentoring 1114, and there's been an ongoing relationship between the two.

2007: 36-9-1, 2 Regional Wins
2008: 38-4-0, 2 Regional Wins (Undefeated at GTR and in Newton Qualifications, 2/4 losses in Newton Semifinals)
2009: 37-5-1, 2 Regional Wins
2010: 45-6-1, 2 Regional Wins (All 3 of their losses at Waterloo/GTR were to alliances containing 1114, and 2 of the other 3 were on Einstein)
2011: 45-6-0, 3 Regional Wins (1 loss in QTR 1-1 @ FLR via red card to alliance mate, 1 loss in F1 @ FLR via minibot race decision of a tie, 4 losses at Waterloo, 3 to 1114, and 1 to 1075/1241/1305 by 5 pts), undefeated at GTR, and FLR Qualifications.

Career total: 201-30-3, 11 regional wins (of 11 regionals attended), 1 Championship division (out of 4)

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Yep, the HOT Team (67) did this in 2005.

Andy B.

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While we're talking about awesome NiagaraFIRST teams: 1503 in 2011 has been excellent as well. 28-4-0, with 3 of their 4 losses to alliances containing 1114, winning 2 regionals undefeated in eliminations, paired with 1114 both times, and WITHOUT FLOOR LOADING.

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All I know is that when our design this year turned out to be somewhat similar to 1114's (lift + claw + drop a track), all the CDers on our team were like giddy schoolchildren.

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Yes 67 won both in 2005

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Stop to think of it: I'm not sure which group scares me more. NiagaraFIRST, or Team IFI.

Team IFI teams in 2011:
111
148
217
254
1114

NiagaraFIRST teams in 2011:
1114
1503
2056
2852

Re: 1114: Absolutely stunning record over the last few years
 

As Andy said, only 67 in 2005.

If any team can do it this year, it'd be 1114.

217, 33, 148 and a handful of others also have a decent shot at it in the near future, but none have won CA's this year.

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Do all the teams in question submit for the CA each year?

Jane

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33 won a district chairmans this year, but did not win one of the three spots at the MSC... but they are very close... And don't count out 548 & 1023, both had great submissions and increable robots...

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33 and 217 have won at least two Chairmans in the last three years, though it appears that I was misinformed and 148 has not won a CA since 2002. That being said, they seem more than capable of winning an RCA, or at least from what I've been told about their team.

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I think other people are adding an implied stipulation to this question, of has a team ever won the Championship and Chairman's Award in the same year in the modern era? The answer to that is only one, 67.

However there have been other teams that have won both the Championship and Chairman's in different years. If you define the "modern era" as the 3v3 era (starting in 2005), you also have 111 who won the Championship in 2009 and the Chairman's in 2006. If you expand that to the whole alliance era, you also have 365 who won the Championship in 2001 and the Chairman's in 2007.

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I have to agree, 1114 is defiantly one of those teams you can look to for some incredible stuff. I'd love to play a match against them and hope to in St.Louis! :D. But does anyone have any videos of Simbot Steve? I'm extremely curious!

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Tada!

Waterloo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ1Op8XLsao

Pittsburgh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOcOA...eature=related

Re: 1114: Absolutely stunning record over the last few years
 

Until they win, they haven't won anything. They have to submit first. No assumptions can be made, sorry.

Jane

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It's thoroughly fair to assume 148 could win Chairmans.

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Yep. And to be fair, there is a certain amount of luck involved at the Championships...

Kudos to 1114!

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I would like to also say that 1114 is an amazing team and always a force to be reckoned with. I can also proudly say that I was on the drive team when our alliance (1218, 2753, 222) beat them in the Archimedes division in 2009 to go on and win the division. It was an absolutely amazing set of matches and there could not have been a better foe. Between 1114 and 2056 we had our work cut out for us. I can honestly say it is one of my fondest memories because both teams were equal and the scores were so close. Even in defeat the team members were nothing but nice and congratulatory, true marks of what FIRST students should be. Thanks to 1114 and 2056 for the amazing match and the memories. Best of luck in St. Louis this year!!

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I couldn't agree more. I can recall at least a few instances at the championships where teams who, paired with the right other robots, could have easily taken their division and possibly won on Einstein as well. In all of these instances, the potential alliances instead skipped over the team for one reason or another, and were lucky if they made it out of the QFs alive.

Of course, this could come down to individual opinion and may not be the best anecdotal evidence. Nonetheless, I firmly believe, and my mentors continually remind me that, the championship is about 50% luck.

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Hi Adam. Although I am serious, I was also making a joke, roughly quoting some of the mentors of these teams that have publicly stated that you are not a winner until you have won something. We can assume a lot of things but, the proof is in the actual achievement.

That is no diss on 148 and they know it.

Jane

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148 did not submit for an RCA this year.

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I disagree with this statement. There is some luck involved in winning a Championship, but it is not 50%.

Winning a Championship requires being prepared to take advantage of skilled drivers, a good robot, excellent scouting, good coaching, teamwork, a great alliance, and a small amount of luck.

I am sure all the teams that believe they have a shot at a Championship this year are doing everything they can to be prepared for that opportunity.

I know we are...

Re: 1114: Absolutely stunning record over the last few years
 

294 lost only two matches in Atlanta last year. One of them was on Einstein, in the other, our robot suffered the start-up CANbus error during Newton elims.

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1114 consistently has not only great machines, but also brilliant scouting, outstanding strategy, and excellent alliance partners in eliminations that help them go a very long way at Championship; however, as some have said before me, there is a small amount of luck involved: the divisional assignments have the power to separate or put together teams that might have/might have not had the opportunity to join together otherwise. That, alone, is enough to make or break some legitimate chances at a championship.

Schedules, as well, play some part in the way Championship pans out: seeding at the end of qualifications matches can sometimes be skewed because of schedules and/or the Ranking Points system; for example: team 469, Las Guerrillas, despite having one of the best robots in the world last season, most certainly did not always seed first (I would say only once or twice in at least four competitions, but I'm reluctant to say that because I'm not exactly sure), and powerhouse teams that don't seed first are at the mercy of other highly-seeded teams for their alliance during eliminations. Because of the rules restricting acceptance/denial of alliance invitations, it is possible for a team that shoots to the top of the standings to "interfere" with certain teams allying.

So, while a great team can win the FIRST Robotics Championship, so many factors play into the ability of a team to do so that one must admit that there is quite a bit of fortune involved; regardless, the alliances that make it to Einstein are almost always extremely competitive, and rarely does one see lopsided match-ups there.

In the end, the alliance that had not only excellent design and consistency, but also luck on their side wins the Championship.

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But When you look at the season record of 39-14-5, it doesn't compare to what is being discussed in this thread.

It's certainly impressive to have that record at champs, but 1114 maintains these records for an entire season, season after season... It's just an entirely different level.

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its funny that 1114 and my own team 1089 both had our rookie seasons in 2003. interesting to see how two teams that started the same year have had totally different histories. while 1089 is by no means a powerhouse, we're on our way! sometimes i wish i was a member of a powerhouse team like 1114 or 365, or even 25 (theyre a powerhouse to me) but then i snap back to reality, and it makes me want to try my hardest to watch my own team get to that level, and be considered a great FRC team.

congrats to 1114 for all your continued success, and i wish nothing but good fortune in the years ahead. i cant wait to watch you guys compete against the best at CMP's this year, and maybe IRI (if y'all are goin and i can convince my parents to let me make a road trip :P)

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If they won 3 RCAs in 3 years, it might be the regional judges trying to send the national judges a message. This might be the year 1114 finally gets their spot in the Hall of Fame, a place that is well deserved.

It's incredibly far-fetched, but their team should be the standard for FIRST, and is the standard for my team. I'd kill for one blue banner in four years, while they have four in one... it's envious, sure, but anyone can put in the hours to make it happen, and I want that to be my team.

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Luck is produced when preparation collides energetically with opportunity. You may not be able to predict the opportunity, but you can certainly control the preparation.

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By the looks, 1114 has already figured out both #1 and #2. They're still behind 71, who is just about done with their robot for the 2012 season, is getting driver practice for 2011, and is working on their robot designs for the 2013 water game. You're still way behind. - EricH

Taken from spotlight quotes.

Although i'm beginning to disagree with the latter, they had driver practice for this game since 09 at least!

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both are scary, its been my goal for the last 3 years to match performance of any of 1114, 148, 2056, 217 exct.

- Bochek

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Nothing has impressed me more about 1114 than the quality and accuracy of their scouting. Over the years, both as a fellow student and as a mentor, I've struggled to find ways to motivate an entire team to scout. I've worked with individuals or small groups of dedicated students who made great "lead scouts," but never had a whole team want to scout and deliver me information that I could trust as comprehensive and close to 100% accurate. Somehow 1114 has managed to instill such a culture where scouting is a priority and they can gather efficient, accurate, and organized data. I wish I knew how to replicate that. It's simply amazing.

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You're right- 1114's record is simply ridiculous.

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John, I'm interested in why this is the case. You guys are a strong, role-model team that seems like they would definitely be in the running to win the RCA.

The reason why I ask is that I am leading a Champs Conference (along with Renee Becker and Libby Kamen) on the Spirit of the Chairman's Award and why a large percentage of teams do not submit for it. We'll also be concentrating on why submitting a RCA is beneficial to teams, even if you feel that you have no chance of winning. (It's going to be Thursday at 1:00 if anyone is interested in attending).

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I couldn't agree more, both 1114 and 2056 are stellar teams. They should serve as an inspiration to the rest of us. My only complaint would be that Canada needs at least one more superpower to make things interesting. Every Canadian tournament in recent history has been won by 1114 and 2056. It's getting tiresome. With only two superpowers, that's the way it will always be. So who's going to step up and be a third contender to mix things up? We tried (harder then ever this year) but it seems like they have raised the bar far beyond our reach.

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On top of 1114's record, Karthik keeps giving a presentation at the Championships that's an eye-opener for young/inexperienced students. Even veteran mentors can get something out of it. All it takes is to pay attention to this team (really any powerhouse team...) when they talk, really listen to what they say, and ask intelligent questions about how you can improve your team rather than trying to become them. When it comes full circle (a year later) it's quite exhiliarating.

Fun anecdote:
Me: "blah blah blah, some question about 8th seed picks?"
Karthik: "High Standard Deviation"
Me: "Ok"
Audience: Laughter
Karthik: <further explanation>
Really, 3 words is all I needed to garner an incredible insight into smart alliance selection. We almost became 8th seed in DC and I definitely felt well-prepared.

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They've won 5 RCAs in 6 years.

2011 Toronto East
2010 Waterloo
2009 Toronto
2008 Waterloo
2006 Waterloo

My mistake. I thought they won one in 2007. Looks like I misread the results, since 503 won it at GLR, 1305 won it at Waterloo, and 771 won it at GTR that year.

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610, 188, 1075, 1241, 781, 1310, 1305, and more all stepped up their game big time this year, and it still wasn't even close to enough to unseat the ridiculously powerful powerhouse that is the NiagaraFIRST alliance. These teams doing so much better is likely an artifact of these teams all having been around in 2007, to learn from their own mistakes, as well as to play off of winning designs from 2007.

EDIT: Elims would have been alot more interesting with all the teams from East and West playing together. Top tier consisted of 1114/2056/1503, then 610 in a mid tier, then 188, 1075, 907, 3117, 1241, 1310, 1305, 781, 772, among others at the 2nd tier, and then all the low-OPR robots.

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I disagree that the regional judges would be sending a message to natioanl judges. At GTR (where they hoave won them) the judges are difrent every year and they are selected randomly from local companies (sponsors too).
Also 1114 has done all of this incredible work over many years ....not one year.

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Agreed that if these teams were all playing on the same field it would be an amzing regional.... and maybe good enough to beat 1114 or 2056 :cool: .

772 is looking to completely change stuff around with the build for next year and hopeing to make next years robot amazing and very quick. One huge thing this year that helped was the drivers for us... practise day we had replacments (real drivers were taking OSSLT test) and the replacements were TERRIBLE!! yes i am one of the drivers and me and my partner work very well together, our teamates say that it is so smoothly driven that it looks like its being driven by only one person :)

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See my post above, 1114 has 5 RCAs, 3 from Waterloo, 1 from the former Greater Toronto Regional, 1 from Greater Toronto East Regional.

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oh well the judges still aren't the same and i dont think they are trying to show the Championship judges anything.