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Travis Hoffman 14-04-2011 00:33

Division Predictions/Reactions
 
Because the FRCTop25.com chat room was surprised there wasn't a thread about this yet.

Start your meaningless fantasizing now!

I'm guessing you can start splitting up the teams once the team list reaches 348....

I'll post the standard ACGN sort after 348 teams are confirmed.

pandamonium 14-04-2011 14:15

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as far as I can tell the list is at 348... is it just that it is not confirmed. I am anxious to see what we are up against...

Travis Hoffman 14-04-2011 14:19

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2 Attachment(s)
There are now 348 teams on the CMP list. Keep in mind the payment deadline is tomorrow, but anyone on the CMP list already had to commit to pay the event fee in some manner by now in order to appear on the registered list.

So back to the pointless speculating...

Dividing the teams into alternating Archimedes, Curie, Galileo, and Newton divisions and then sorting by Average OPR (as calculated by OPRnet) within each division leads to the following completely baseless, not founded on any truth whatsoever, possible, maybe, not really, just forget about it and wait until the real ones are announced, divisional breakdowns:

dodar 14-04-2011 14:28

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Its giving me an error when I try to open it up in excel.

tim-tim 14-04-2011 14:29

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Newton looks pretty challenging...

Travis Hoffman 14-04-2011 14:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1052835)
Its giving me an error when I try to open it up in excel.

See pdf attachment added in original post.

TKM.368 14-04-2011 14:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1052835)
Its giving me an error when I try to open it up in excel.

Need to extract the .zip first.

Akash Rastogi 14-04-2011 14:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tim-tim (Post 1052837)
Newton looks pretty challenging...

:D Looks like the algorithm places us in Newton! Here's hoping we get to play with those teams.

pandamonium 14-04-2011 15:00

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this years theoretical Newton reminds me of how everyone called 1114 being on the same alliance as 469. I call 1114 and 148.

Koko Ed 14-04-2011 15:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 1052831)
There are now 348 teams on the CMP list. Keep in mind the payment deadline is tomorrow, but anyone on the CMP list already had to commit to pay the event fee in some manner by now in order to appear on the registered list.

So back to the pointless speculating...

Dividing the teams into alternating Archimedes, Curie, Galileo, and Newton divisions and then sorting by Average OPR (as calculated by OPRnet) within each division leads to the following completely baseless, not founded on any truth whatsoever, possible, maybe, not really, just forget about it and wait until the real ones are announced, divisional breakdowns:

If 111 and 1114 get together it's "Game Over, Man!"

pandamonium 14-04-2011 15:15

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is WildStang better than Robowranglers? Tough call. At least 1511 and 191 may get a chance to work together again :)

rees2001 14-04-2011 15:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1052861)
If 111 and 1114 get together it's "Game Over, Man!"

111/1114 alliance captian, "And with our final pick we select team 177"

(not saying 177 would fall that far, everybody would want them and we all know why)

Koko Ed 14-04-2011 15:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rees2001 (Post 1052864)
111/1114 alliance captian, "And with our final pick we select team 177"

(not saying 177 would fall that far, everybody would want them and we all know why)

I think FIRST should just get to the point and just assign 177 to the Einstein division where they can await an alliance they feel like working with.

Bob Steele 14-04-2011 16:38

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Travis,

thanks for doing this!!
Is there any way you could do a serpentine version of this?

Does anyone remember what they have used in recent years?
I know for many years it was the simple 1,2,3,4--5,6,7,8---9,10,11,12...

From my recollection a couple of years ago it went to serpentine...

1,2,3,4-- 8,7,6,5 ---9.10,11,12 --- 16,15,14,13...

I honestly can't remember what was done last year...

thanks again!!

Bob

Jared Russell 14-04-2011 16:41

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Last year there was either no pattern or it was complex enough that nobody was able to crack it - the assignments seemed pretty random.

Koko Ed 14-04-2011 16:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 1052908)
Last year there was either no pattern or it was complex enough that nobody was able to crack it - the assignments seemed pretty random.

I'm sure FIRST did the math. They always do the math. Just not math humans use.
It was probably given to them from NASA from the aliens so we'd quit predicting the divisions before they release it.

Chris is me 14-04-2011 16:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1052881)
I think FIRST should just get to the point and just assign 177 to the Einstein division where they can await an alliance they feel like working with.

177 is far too good this year to even escape the first round. And for that reason, I think they have their lowest shot at Einstein in years. :p

Travis Hoffman 14-04-2011 17:05

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2 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Steele (Post 1052907)
Travis,

thanks for doing this!!
Is there any way you could do a serpentine version of this?


See attached. And, um....

Code:


St. Catharines, ON 1114 Archimedes  67.14
Schaumburg, IL    111  Archimedes  66.34
Greenville, TX    148  Archimedes  63.88
San Jose, CA      254  Archimedes  60.39
Stoney Creek, ON  2056 Archimedes  57.29
Hopkins, MI        2054 Archimedes  53.82
Hammond, IN        71  Archimedes  49.79
League City, TX    118  Archimedes  46.72
Warren, OH        48  Archimedes  45.91

...yeah....no.

SteveGPage 14-04-2011 17:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 1052918)
See attached...

...yeah....no.

What, you don't want to be the 8th seed captain against 1114/111? :)

dodar 14-04-2011 17:14

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Could you imagine if each of them picked their own alliances? OMG that would be the greatest quarterfinals ever

Travis Hoffman 14-04-2011 17:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveGPage (Post 1052923)
What, you don't want to be the 8th seed captain against 1114/111? :)

We'd move up to 7th and probably 6th or more if that were a ranking list. It would be a Team IFI Royal Rumble.

The divisional balance is far, far more skewed out of whack with serpentine than with the standard sort. I kinda liked the standard sort myself. But again, this is all a pointless exercise!

dodar 14-04-2011 17:20

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How about instead of doing the divisions with the 348 teams that are in, do a divisional breakdown with the top 348 OPR teams and then see how the divisions would breakdown with the same sort you did the first time.

Travis Hoffman 14-04-2011 17:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1052931)
How about instead of doing the divisions with the 348 teams that are in, do a divisional breakdown with the top 348 OPR teams and then see how the divisions would breakdown with the same sort you did the first time.

Probably about as balanced as you're going to get.

I wonder if FIRST even considers sorting like this. Attachment:

dodar 14-04-2011 17:29

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You didnt do it with the top 348 teams with the highest OPR

Travis Hoffman 14-04-2011 17:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1052934)
You didnt do it with the top 348 teams with the highest OPR

I sorted by Average OPR for all 348 CMP teams and then assigned A-C-G-N.

I think what you are suggesting is just a bit too unrealistic, even for this thread, because teams staying home with higher OPR's than CMP participating teams are still not going to attend the CMP this year....

I leave anything else as an exercise for the reader. :cool:

AlecMataloni 14-04-2011 17:42

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:D Oh man... If somehow that was our actual division...

SteveGarward 14-04-2011 17:50

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I prefer the first attempt with 111 and 3132 in the same division. No real reason, just a strange personal bias. :)

J_Miles 14-04-2011 18:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tim-tim (Post 1052837)
Newton looks pretty challenging...

Newton and Curie both are stacked! As for Galileo...I'm surprised by the paucity of big names. It seems like most of those powerhouse teams are either on Curie or Newton, although Archimedes is also strong. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it seems like Galileo is probably the "weakest" comparatively; however, that doesn't mean much considering it's championship and ALL of the divisions would be challenging.

Richard Wallace 14-04-2011 18:07

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FAKE Galileo looks like the place to be.

JVN, Bill Beatty, Amir Abo-Shaeer, John Novak, ... that's a lot of awesomeness, just in a quick glance near the top of this FAKE list.

Oh yeah, and in FAKE Galileo you can pick 67 or 469 ....

ATannahill 14-04-2011 18:12

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A 349th challenger appears.

Justin Montois 14-04-2011 23:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 1052954)
A 349th challenger appears.

148 sends out Raptor. Raptor uses Autonomous! It's Super Effective!
:o Had too...

Chexposito 15-04-2011 00:16

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if these divisions were real... i think we all know where the crowd will flock to... especially if serpentine... can first just have a team IFI division plus the rookies? that might just balance out their average opr...

BigJ 15-04-2011 01:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin Montois (Post 1053044)
148 sends out Raptor. Raptor uses Autonomous! It's Super Effective!
:o Had too...

Ultimate Protection Squad used Protect!
Ultimate Protection Squad was protected!

pandamonium 15-04-2011 08:21

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All Pokemon jokes aside, there is an extra team in there... strange... maybe the Black Eyed Peas aren't performing but they are going to be a drive team! There are 4 of them :)

IKE 15-04-2011 08:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard (Post 1052951)
FAKE Galileo looks like the place to be.

JVN, Bill Beatty, Amir Abo-Shaeer, John Novak, ... that's a lot of awesomeness, just in a quick glance near the top of this FAKE list.

Oh yeah, and in FAKE Galileo you can pick 67 or 469 ....

That explains why I was hearing that tune coming from the Chicken camp last weekend. I thought it was a bit odd timing for some retro right before alliance selections... :cool:

Oh, and its a good thing they went to night to switch fields. Could you imagine the awesomeness flux of the above group having to switch fields midday? any team using a Gyro would likely have to re-calibrate.

Chris Hibner 15-04-2011 10:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IKE (Post 1053098)
That explains why I was hearing that tune coming from the Chicken camp last weekend. I thought it was a bit odd timing for some retro right before alliance selections... :cool:

Oh, and its a good thing they went to night to switch fields. Could you imagine the awesomeness flux of the above group having to switch fields midday? any team using a Gyro would likely have to re-calibrate.

Excellet to hear that DSK hasn't been forgotten. I'm hearing rumors of a reunion tour...

ATannahill 15-04-2011 18:02

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The divisions are slowly appearing.

XaulZan11 15-04-2011 18:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rtfgnow (Post 1053218)
The divisions are slowly appearing.

There should be some additions to the divisions early next week. I know one team in particular that could be a late addition.


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